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1 hour ago, leylandvictory2 said:

that's the whole point of alerting the driver of a problem. Same goes with the noise the fire alarm makes.

Except 99% of the time there is no problem and drivers start ignoring the damn thing. Opening the door it goes off. Closing the door it goes off. Hit a bump it goes off. Some buses have it really bad. 

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5 hours ago, Someguy3071 said:

Except 99% of the time there is no problem and drivers start ignoring the damn thing. Opening the door it goes off. Closing the door it goes off. Hit a bump it goes off. Some buses have it really bad. 

I’ve noticed this quite a bit at Humber with I assume are all the newer novas out of arrow, that alarm is used so often for such irrelevant things that I’ve just learned not to trust it, even with wave sensor doors (Brampton Transit ) it’s not as frequent but when it goes off it won’t turn off unless I turn off the bus and back on not to mention the dash then says my rear door is non operable yet it’s working just fine 

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Recently I was travelling on Eastern Ave near Leslie and for the first time I noticed some old buses parked near a bunch of tractor trailer trucks in a parking lot (South side of eastern ave just west of Leslie). Does anyone know what those buses are for ? I believe I saw an old fishbowl in there and a few others 

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38 minutes ago, CLRV4002 said:

Recently I was travelling on Eastern Ave near Leslie and for the first time I noticed some old buses parked near a bunch of tractor trailer trucks in a parking lot (South side of eastern ave just west of Leslie). Does anyone know what those buses are for ? I believe I saw an old fishbowl in there and a few others 

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I hate to sound like a broken record.  Anyways, I was talking with some friends about planning a visit and a trip out to Kitchener to ride the LRT line there in late June or sometime in July after it opens.  The possibility of doing a side trip into Toronto to catch the Sunday PCC on the harbourfront came up so, for planning purposes, is the Sunday PCC on the harbourfront happening this year?  Or  should I be planning on having the time on the Sunday to do a low and slow smoked rib barbecue at my place instead?

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30 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

I hate to sound like a broken record.  Anyways, I was talking with some friends about planning a visit and a trip out to Kitchener to ride the LRT line there in late June or sometime in July after it opens.  The possibility of doing a side trip into Toronto to catch the Sunday PCC on the harbourfront came up so, for planning purposes, is the Sunday PCC on the harbourfront happening this year?  Or  should I be planning on having the time on the Sunday to do a low and slow smoked rib barbecue at my place instead?

It didn't go out last year, could possibly go out this year, highly doubt it though 

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1 minute ago, Ultimate said:

It didn't go out last year, could possibly go out this year, highly doubt it though 

Yes, that's why I'm asking, because I don't know if last year was a one off exception to the rule or the start of a new normal.

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7 minutes ago, Wayside Observer said:

Yes, that's why I'm asking, because I don't know if last year was a one off exception to the rule or the start of a new normal.

Didn't they make up an excuse to why they couldn't operate the PCC? IIRC it was because of the pantograph wires (which I hardly believe that was the case)

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55 minutes ago, Kelvin3157 said:

Didn't they make up an excuse to why they couldn't operate the PCC? IIRC it was because of the pantograph wires (which I hardly believe that was the case)

I spotted it out there last year (Chatered) it was turning left onto QQ from Spadina going to the union portal. So that would not be the case

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48 minutes ago, Kelvin3157 said:

Didn't they make up an excuse to why they couldn't operate the PCC? IIRC it was because of the pantograph wires (which I hardly believe that was the case)

 

1 minute ago, Ultimate said:

I spotted it out there last year (Chatered) it was turning left onto QQ from Spadina going to the union portal. So that would not be the case

Yes.  This was when Brad Ross was still at the TTC.  It's buried in the comments below this article on Steve Munro's blog so I'll copy and paste the quote from Brad Ross that Steve got when he asked about it:

There is additional maintenance required on the overhead when running pole and panto. With all of the daily struggles with streetcar right now, investing in the additional work is not a priority. I didn’t say it couldn’t run, I said we won’t run the PCC for this reason this year.

Let's pick this apart.  None of the frogs or any of the pole hardware have been removed from the wire.  The overhead wire is maintained by different people in a different department from the streetcars that have been giving fits to various degrees.  So, those two unrelated facts have been conflated.  Plus, the overhead being compatible with poles is a non issue because it has to handle King and Bathurst (when running) cars on diversion, plus the Spadina car had been a pole operation until about a month and a half, two months before the summer last year.  So, it's a BS story that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Unfortunately, and I really wish the TTC would prove me wrong on this, I think "won't run the PCC for this reason this year" means they're not going to do it anymore at all, any year, on the flimsiest of made up excuses. It was nice for the 13 years or so it lasted, it's just a damn shame if they used that excuse last year as the precedent setting year to get out of doing it ever again from here on in.

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I'd assume that it's not running, and then be pleasantly surprised if it did.

If you want to ride a TTC PCC, and you are already up in Kitchener, you can head to the Halton Radial Museum just east of Guelph. https://hcry.org/

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1 hour ago, Wayside Observer said:

Unfortunately, and I really wish the TTC would prove me wrong on this, I think "won't run the PCC for this reason this year" means they're not going to do it anymore at all, any year, on the flimsiest of made up excuses. It was nice for the 13 years or so it lasted, it's just a damn shame if they used that excuse last year as the precedent setting year to get out of doing it ever again from here on in.

There can be another 501 Bathurst-Church run, but that was ruined by foamers

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4 hours ago, Kelvin3157 said:

There can be another 501 Bathurst-Church run, but that was ruined by foamers

So let’s say I believe that the TTC didn’t run the PCC car due to the overhead (which I don’t), there’s no reason why it couldn’t be run on the 501,504 or 506.

The 501 between Bathurst and Church works as well or taking advantage of the King Pilot or having Summer Sunday service to High Park loop  

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22 hours ago, nfitz said:

I'd assume that it's not running, and then be pleasantly surprised if it did.

If you want to ride a TTC PCC, and you are already up in Kitchener, you can head to the Halton Radial Museum just east of Guelph. https://hcry.org/

I'd be surprised if there was a PCC running at Halton. The only PCC they list as operational is 4000, and as far as I know that comes out only on special occasions. Possibly one of the other rebuilt 4600 cars are running?

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22 minutes ago, Ed T. said:

I'd be surprised if there was a PCC running at Halton. The only PCC they list as operational is 4000, and as far as I know that comes out only on special occasions. Possibly one of the other rebuilt 4600 cars are running?

Not sure about currently ... haven't been there for a couple of years - though we rode W-30 the last time I was there. I've certainly ridden PCCs there before (other than W-30).

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41 minutes ago, Ed T. said:

I'd be surprised if there was a PCC running at Halton. The only PCC they list as operational is 4000, and as far as I know that comes out only on special occasions. Possibly one of the other rebuilt 4600 cars are running?

I was there in Sept 2018 on a weekend and the 3 units they ran were the post war PCC TTC (forgot the number), TTC Peter Witt and that Chicago luxury suburban train that's in green.

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Where are you seeing that the only PCC they list as operational is 4000? If I go to their site I see all the usual suspects still listed.

https://hcry.org/portfolio_category/streetcar/

I was told that 4000 is way too old, fragile, and lacks commonality with the post-war cars for it to run on any kind of regular basis, so it would be very strange if that was the only PCC they kept running.

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On 5/21/2019 at 4:40 PM, nfitz said:

I'd assume that it's not running, and then be pleasantly surprised if it did.

If you want to ride a TTC PCC, and you are already up in Kitchener, you can head to the Halton Radial Museum just east of Guelph. https://hcry.org/

The visit to Kitchener would most likely be on a weekday in order to catch the maximum service level being operated.  I don't know what their scheduling is going to look like but working from an assumption that weekends will have less frequent service.  Plus I might add in a side trip to Wellesley to visit a friend who retired from running a small engineering and manufacturing company.  Plus, we did TTC PCCs in a museum somewhat recently; actually, all of us have been involved in maintenance and operation of PCC cars in various museums so what we were talking about was going into Toronto and catching a ride on one in its native habitat and just relaxing and enjoying the ride.

 

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6 hours ago, Wayside Observer said:

The visit to Kitchener would most likely be on a weekday in order to catch the maximum service level being operated.  I don't know what their scheduling is going to look like but working from an assumption that weekends will have less frequent service.

Their website says "Exact schedules will be established before ION service begins, but generally speaking ION LRT trains will run every eight minutes during rush hours and every 10 to 15 minutes during the rest of the day"

I'd assume you are correct ... I'd guess 15-minute service on weekends.

 

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10 minutes ago, dowlingm said:

The Witt was seen on Bathurst St yesterday. 

 

I saw it as well. It was brought to Leslie Barns around 9 pm yesterday 

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23 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

Where are you seeing that the only PCC they list as operational is 4000? If I go to their site I see all the usual suspects still listed.

https://hcry.org/portfolio_category/streetcar/

I was told that 4000 is way too old, fragile, and lacks commonality with the post-war cars for it to run on any kind of regular basis, so it would be very strange if that was the only PCC they kept running.

I missed "operational" bit for 4600 and 4611.

Most (all?) of the "awaiting restoration" cars are peacefully rusting away.

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4 hours ago, Ed T. said:

I missed "operational" bit for 4600 and 4611.

Most (all?) of the "awaiting restoration" cars are peacefully rusting away.

4611 is used the most. I had to wait to my fourth visit to ride on 4600 (2017) because it was always in the shops with "electrical issues" from what I was told. 4618 probably won't ever see service again because of the business they get from selling ice cream. 4386 4426 4684 probably will continue to rot out for remainder of there lives. I was told that 4386 hasn't been touched since the mid 90's. W-30 rarely comes out, and W-31 is sitting farther back in the car barn and is in need in need of work.

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It's too bad the TTC subways can't be run at HCRR. I really wanted to ride those again.

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18 minutes ago, Matthew TTC 4120 said:

W-30 rarely comes out,

W-30 usually comes out when the weather doesn't permit them to run 327.

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