Gil Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 With the changes going on the Lawrence West corridor, they should at least extend the 352 to Islington, so it can connect with the 311 night route. I think the route initially only went as far as Weston and then begrudingly to Royal York as that's as far as they could go without having to add another bus. Anything further west would probably trigger a cost-benefit analysis if the added expense of another bus is worth the extra riders/trips generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 What's the reason for the number change? Probably a combination of fewer stops and branding. Dan This sounds like an implementation of one of three "enhanced express buses on future Transit City LRT lines", outlined in the Transit City Bus Plan. The other two routes are 25 Don Mills and 116 Morningside. These are suppose to be "interim" routes until the LRT lines are constructed (if ever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This sounds like an implementation of one of three "enhanced express buses on future Transit City LRT lines", outlined in the Transit City Bus Plan. The other two routes are 25 Don Mills and 116 Morningside. These are suppose to be "interim" routes until the LRT lines are constructed (if ever). You are right, however the Transit City Bus Plan never had any funding allocated to it. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Is that plan still on. I thought it was cancelled when Ford took office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 You are right, however the Transit City Bus Plan never had any funding allocated to it. Dan Yes, I know. Just pointing out that it was one of the routes mentioned in the plan. Is that plan still on. I thought it was cancelled when Ford took office. I don't think it is still on but some of the initiatives outlined in it are being implemented here and there such as Next Vehicle screens in stations and shelters, more shelters and revised express service on routes such as 39, 53, 95 and (I'm pushing it here since this happened 2 months after the TCBP was released) 60, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniewitt Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I don't think the bus plan ever had any funding, but it does serve as a road map on where to increase service on the surface. With the loss of Transit city due to political machenations, this is a plan that the TTC management should seriously consider implementing. There is no point running all buses as locals on arterials if all 20-30+ buses assigned to the route are going to run into bunching problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I don't think the bus plan ever had any funding, but it does serve as a road map on where to increase service on the surface. With the loss of Transit city due to political machenations, this is a plan that the TTC management should seriously consider implementing. There is no point running all buses as locals on arterials if all 20-30+ buses assigned to the route are going to run into bunching problems. Except that the Transit City Bus Plan was a below-the-line item - meaning it is only something that can be funded once all of the other, more important stuff, gets funding. It's a nice to have. If it comes down to implimenting the TCBP or keeping buses running on other marginal routes, than it's not getting implimented - and rightly so. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanToronto Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I don't think the bus plan ever had any funding, but it does serve as a road map on where to increase service on the surface. With the loss of Transit city due to political machenations, this is a plan that the TTC management should seriously consider implementing. There is no point running all buses as locals on arterials if all 20-30+ buses assigned to the route are going to run into bunching problems. Indeed. Long suburban routes would likely benefit from parallel all-day express supplemental services. Another route that I would like to see get this treatment is the 96 Wilson - especially with the new mega-hospital campus at Downsview opening sometime in 2015. The 96E only goes to Wilson Station and only during peak periods; a reliable connection between the Yonge and Spadina lines, also serving Downsview, Rexdale and Humber College (and two hospitals along the way) could be really useful. As it is the 96/165 is one of the busiest suburban corridors in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2014/February_24/Reports/AG_Report-Review_Bus_Maint_Shops-Phase%20_I_Bus_Mtnce-Warranty.pdf We should get more answers on the hybrid buses in June. And also the life cycle of buses too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 rom the looks of it, it looks like the hybrids may be retired near the future. Even Andy Byford said the hybrids are not reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 TTC knew these buses were no good when they had 1043 back in 2001. The person in charge told me they were no good even back then. Even after a few years later TTC had there doubt, but obviously with political pressure and funding they ordered a shit load. Capital cost is one thing, the operation cost is a whole other breed of trouble. They were better off ordering regular diesel buses at a higher price, even if they couldn't order as much buses in that time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 rom the looks of it, it looks like the hybrids may be retired near the future. Even Andy Byford said the hybrids are not reliable. They will be retired sonner then expected that's for sure. I believe they are next up for retirement after the Orion V's, RTS's and D40LFs. Its too bad that the VII HEV's will basically eliminate the thought of the TTC getting future hybrid vehicles in the near future. There are quite a few TA's who manage to use with a fair bit of success (ie: those who use non VII HEV's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 They will be retired sonner then expected that's for sure. I believe they are next up for retirement after the Orion V's, RTS's and D40LFs. Its too bad that the VII HEV's will basically eliminate the thought of the TTC getting future hybrid vehicles in the near future. There are quite a few TA's who manage to use with a fair bit of success (ie: those who use non VII HEV's). the orion 7 is piece of garbage in the first piece either it is hybrid or diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 They were better off going with NFI, even if the standard wasn't up to par. But as usual, its easier to say something after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 They will be retired sonner then expected that's for sure. I believe they are next up for retirement after the Orion V's, RTS's and D40LFs. The report said TTC will be looking at cost saving measures for the hybrids. We all know getting funding to replace the hybrid fleet is slim, and retiring then early wasn't a final option in the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The report said TTC will be looking at cost saving measures for the hybrids. We all know getting funding to replace the hybrid fleet is slim, and retiring then early wasn't a final option in the report. sometimes you have to look at how feasible to keep the bus running for a longer period. A notable example is the CNG Orion 5 and Orion 6 buses. The Orion 6 buses didn't make it to the first rebuilt when they were withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Correct, they should have thought about that before they got 691 of them. lol TTC will be will waiting for OC transpo and NYC for more info on the progress on and what to do, including there own analysis. But I'm guessing they will try and get rid of the 1st gen, and convert the others. just my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 But I'm guessing they will try and get rid of the 1st gen, and convert the others. just my guess. Thats exactly what im thinking. The Original VII HEVs are getting up there in the age department, so with the combination of age and unreliability of the hybrid system I cant imagine a scenario where its worthwhile to keep them. But we'll just have to wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 And with a new team of council coming in, anything is possible when it comes to funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramguy Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Excuse my ignorance, but would it be possible to shut down the "hybrid" part of the bus and run it as a diesel. Remember how the former 9000 buses were converted from natural gas to diesel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.dicion Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Excuse my ignorance, but would it be possible to shut down the "hybrid" part of the bus and run it as a diesel. Remember how the former 9000 buses were converted from natural gas to diesel? No. Because to operate that electric traction motor. The bus needs to run the engine, which in turn charges the battery, from the batteries the electricity is then routed to the traction motors as needed. They do have regenerative braking to help recover energy when they are braking, but the majority of the electricity is generated by the engine. To convert them like the 9400's will be a massive undertaking. Which is why they are holding off until MTA Bus in New York City posts the results of one their recent conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megabus Rider Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 the orion 7 is piece of garbage in the first piece either it is hybrid or diesel. I have to agree with you on that. NFI D40LF is a better built and designed bus compared to the Orion 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 No. Because to operate that electric traction motor. The bus needs to run the engine, which in turn charges the battery, from the batteries the electricity is then routed to the traction motors as needed. They do have regenerative braking to help recover energy when they are braking, but the majority of the electricity is generated by the engine. Nitpick - the power doesn't flow through the battery in the normal course of operation. It goes diesel engine->alternator->control system->traction motor. The battery only comes into play when braking, or if the driver requests more power than the diesel is capable of providing. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.dicion Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Oops forgot about the alternator and PCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 When is Mount Dennis Supposed to Get route 36 Finch West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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