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Had some fun working with TTC bus / streetcar statistics from 2012, here are some stats (Figures based on Weekday ridership, note that ridership in TTC vehicule when operated outside of Toronto City Limit is also not counted in those stats (bias some routes statistics (route 107 for exemple)

Top 10 routes per ridership

1 504 King and 508 Lake Shore 57300

2 510 Spadina and 509 Harbourfront 55400

3 32 Eglinton West 48700

4 35 Jane 44400

5 36 Finch West 44000

6 39 Finch East,139 Finch-Don Mills, and 199 Finch Rocket 44000

7 501 Queen 43500

8 29 Dufferin 39700

9 506 Carlton 39600

10 25 Don Mills 38000

The bottom 10

128 55 Warren Park 1200

129 167 Pharmacy North 1100

130 120 Calvington 1100

131 115 Silver Hills 1000

132 74 Mt Pleasant 970

133 8 Broadview 920

134 107 Keele North 820

135 33 Forest Hill 620

136 101 Downsview Park 540

137 171 Mt Dennis 310

138 99 Arrow Rd 130

Top 10 routes by operating cost per passenger (Daily Operating Cost / Nb. of passengers)

1 22 Coxwell $1.21

2 64 Main $1.28

3 65 Parliament $1.43

4 81 Thorncliffe Park $1.45

5 126 Christie $1.50

6 90 Vaughan $1.53

7 63 Ossington $1.54

8 35 Jane $1.55

9 510 Spadina and 509 Harbourfront $1.56

10 94 Wellesley $1.64

And the not so good routes

128 101 Downsview Park $4.44

129 120 Calvington $4.45

130 98 Willowdale-Senlac $4.47

131 115 Silver Hills $4.50

132 502 Downtowner and503 Kingston Rd $4.60

133 169 Huntingwood and 10 Van Horne $4.63

134 80 Queensway $4.81

135 97 Yonge $4.82

136 171 Mt Dennis $9.35

137 107 Keele North $12.07

138 99 Arrow Rd $13.85

Top 10 routes cost per km (Daily Operating Cost / Daily route mileage)

Economic Routes

1 192 Airport Rocket $4.88

2 191 Highway 27 Rocket $5.66

3 99 Arrow Rd $5.81

4 196 York University Rocket $6.29

5 132 Milner $6.33

6 45 Kipling $6.46

7 48 Rathburn $6.50

8 116 Morningside $6.54

9 38 Highland Creek $6.56

10 39 Finch East,139 Finch-Don Mills, and 199 Finch Rocket $6.64

Not so economic (note that ALL streetcars routes are in the bottom 10)

128 75 Sherbourne $11.00

129 74 Mt Pleasant $11.03

130 6 Bay $11.81

131 501 Queen $13.05

132 510 Spadina and 509 Harbourfront $13.94

133 506 Carlton $14.02

134 511 Bathurst $14.68

135 512 St Clair $14.68

136 505 Dundas $14.85

137 504 King and 508 Lake Shore $15.03

138 502 Downtowner and503 Kingston Rd $18.40

Top 10 routes per hourly operation cost (Daily Operation Cost / Nb. of vehicule hours)

They are the elite

1 103 Mt Pleasant North $122.50

2 65 Parliament $126.67

3 126 Christie $130.00

4 22 Coxwell $132.31

5 75 Sherbourne $134.44

6 94 Wellesley $134.55

7 8 Broadview $135.00

8 64 Main $136.67

9 109 Ranee $136.92

10 135 Gerrard $137.14

They are the reject (once again, streetcar all over the place)

128 45 Kipling $161.43

129 191 Highway 27 Rocket $166.84

130 192 Airport Rocket $169.47

131 511 Bathurst $178.70

132 510 Spadina and 509 Harbourfront $192.00

133 505 Dundas $196.45

134 501 Queen $198.15

135 506 Carlton $202.44

136 512 St Clair $202.94

137 504 King and 508 Lake Shore $213.75

138 502 Downtowner and503 Kingston Rd $250.91

I am surprise the 169 and 10 didn't make it to Top 10 routes per hourly operation cost

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Does anyone know what these are that they are installing at Yonge/Bloor station?

It's Wi-Fi equipment, I believe Yonge-Bloor and St-George are going to serve as part of a pilot project.

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It's Wi-Fi equipment, I believe Yonge-Bloor and St-George are going to serve as part of a pilot project.

There is wi-fi equipment scheduled to be installed at Bloor-Yonge and St. George, but it isn't part of any pilot project. The TRs have the capability to receive information updates via encoded wi-fi connections, and these two stations, along with Downsview and Finch are supposed to receive the transmitters for it.

Now, granted that they may not be part of that installation, but I hadn't heard of any approved locations for the public wi-fi installation either.

Dan

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TV question: Watching Covert Affairs on USA Network - star boards a Washington Metro train - TTC car 5260 at Wilson Station and departs car 5288 at Wilson Station. Lots of people around ... each of the six cars in the train set had a Washington Metro "M" on the exterior. Does TTC close the station for shooting or just provides a "live" train with the "M" added? Thanks

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TV question: Watching Covert Affairs on USA Network - star boards a Washington Metro train - TTC car 5260 at Wilson Station and departs car 5288 at Wilson Station. Lots of people around ... each of the six cars in the train set had a Washington Metro "M" on the exterior. Does TTC close the station for shooting or just provides a "live" train with the "M" added? Thanks

With the exception of those done at Lower Bay, the vast majority of shoots are done outside of regular service hours - the TTC will NOT close a station for a production.

Dan

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There is wi-fi equipment scheduled to be installed at Bloor-Yonge and St. George, but it isn't part of any pilot project. The TRs have the capability to receive information updates via encoded wi-fi connections, and these two stations, along with Downsview and Finch are supposed to receive the transmitters for it.

Now, granted that they may not be part of that installation, but I hadn't heard of any approved locations for the public wi-fi installation either.

Dan

Andy Byford mentioned a trial project at St George and Bloor-Yonge regarding public Wi-Fi back in September while being interviewed by CP24.

Refer to the question about 3/4 of the way down the page. http://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/q-and-a-talking-transit-with-the-head-of-the-ttc-1.1474617

Similar looking transmitters are seen at NYC Subway stations equipped with Wi-Fi service.

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Andy Byford mentioned a trial project at St George and Bloor-Yonge regarding public Wi-Fi back in September while being interviewed by CP24.

Refer to the question about 3/4 of the way down the page. http://www.cp24.com/...e-ttc-1.1474617

Similar looking transmitters are seen at NYC Subway stations equipped with Wi-Fi service.

Ahh, I hadn't heard that they had chosen those two for the pilot. Thanks.

Dan

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The colour system map is a million times easier to understand and follow. That needs to be implemented immediately.

Also why is Finch West a light green, shouldn't it be a different colour much easier to pull apart from the Green BD? Purple (thinking along the ROYGBIV rainbow)?

Relax, do you really think the TTC has even picked a colour for the Finch West LRT line yet? This thing doesn't even have a shovel to the ground yet, and as we all know things change between proposals and when lines are being constructed. Just look at Steeles West/Black Creek Pioneer Village/Whatever the station is called now

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Relax, do you really think the TTC has even picked a colour for the Finch West LRT line yet? This thing doesn't even have a shovel to the ground yet, and as we all know things change between proposals and when lines are being constructed. Just look at Steeles West/Black Creek Pioneer Village/Whatever the station is called now

If it becomes a subway, my vote goes for colouring the line brown to depict the ridiculous amount of waste (gravy) it would be.

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I actually like pretty much all of the new signage in place - with the exception of the exit markers on the signs. Those I believe should still be surrounded in the red box to make them stand out.

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I actually like pretty much all of the new signage in place - with the exception of the exit markers on the signs. Those I believe should still be surrounded in the red box to make them stand out.

I don't understand why they are not using the ISO "running man".

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Relax, do you really think the TTC has even picked a colour for the Finch West LRT line yet? This thing doesn't even have a shovel to the ground yet, and as we all know things change between proposals and when lines are being constructed. Just look at Steeles West/Black Creek Pioneer Village/Whatever the station is called now

The proposal shows a specific colour. Sure, they could change their mind, but yes, they've picked a colour.

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Does the TTC ever plan to phase out the high floor buses? I was on the 196B towards Downsview Station and I think the bus number was 9416 which is a high floor bus.

Not really a fan of "high floor buses", but I guess they must manage what they already have.

Another question is why does the TTC employ S routes such as 29S Dufferin Short Turn? Because I think it is more of a "cover bus" to cover gaps in service which I have seen the 32S Eglinton West Short Turn, but said "Eglinton West Station." I guess they are using those buses to cover gaps and minimize waits.

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Does the TTC ever plan to phase out the high floor buses? I was on the 196B towards Downsview Station and I think the bus number was 9416 which is a high floor bus.

Not really a fan of "high floor buses", but I guess they must manage what they already have.

What do you think they have been doing over the past 15 years? If you have not noticed, they have been ordering low floor buses since 1999 to replace retiring high floor buses.

Another question is why does the TTC employ S routes such as 29S Dufferin Short Turn? Because I think it is more of a "cover bus" to cover gaps in service which I have seen the 32S Eglinton West Short Turn, but said "Eglinton West Station." I guess they are using those buses to cover gaps and minimize waits.

Short turn buses are usually buses that are running late. By turning them around mid route they are able to get them back on schedule.

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Does the TTC ever plan to phase out the high floor buses? I was on the 196B towards Downsview Station and I think the bus number was 9416 which is a high floor bus.

Not really a fan of "high floor buses", but I guess they must manage what they already have.

Why not have the 9400s out on the 196? They hold more people than a low floor bus and it gets seriously packed during the AM and PM rush. From what I can see, the majority of people from York University are young people who are perfectly capable of climbing 3 steps to board a bus. There aren't very many people with disabilities who take that route.

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Why not have the 9400s out on the 196? They hold more people than a low floor bus and it gets seriously packed during the AM and PM rush. From what I can see, the majority of people from York University are young people who are perfectly capable of climbing 3 steps to board a bus. There aren't very many people with disabilities who take that route.

By defining who takes the bus at a specific location and saying what stock should serve that location, you're denying those who would use that bus if they did have a disability. Or if they break their leg. Or older people that decide they want to take classes. Or teach classes. Or work there.

And the reality is York is a major transfer point between south York Region and north Toronto. You can't really define who is using that bus.

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By defining who takes the bus at a specific location and saying what stock should serve that location, you're denying those who would use that bus if they did have a disability. Or if they break their leg. Or older people that decide they want to take classes. Or teach classes. Or work there.

And the reality is York is a major transfer point between south York Region and north Toronto. You can't really define who is using that bus.

There are more than enough low floors running the 196. The 9400's have lifts too you know. Did you know they can kneel as well?

If they really needed a low floor, they don't really need to wait very long since the frequency for the 196 is low, and buses tend to stack.

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By defining who takes the bus at a specific location and saying what stock should serve that location, you're denying those who would use that bus if they did have a disability. Or if they break their leg. Or older people that decide they want to take classes. Or teach classes. Or work there.

And the reality is York is a major transfer point between south York Region and north Toronto. You can't really define who is using that bus.

You have to note that the number of 9400s never exceeds the number of low floors on the 196, considering it is designated as a 'low floor' route. There are still plenty of low floors for anyone with disabilities.

The 196 needs more capacity than accessibility, but the low floors will still be there regardless.

EDIT: Neoupa beat me to it.

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You have to note that the number of 9400s never exceeds the number of low floors on the 196, considering it is designated as a 'low floor' route. There are plenty of low floors for anyone with any disabilities.

Most times when I'm riding this route this is the case.

Hey it was only a couple years ago when climbing steps to get on a bus was normal.

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What do you think they have been doing over the past 15 years? If you have not noticed, they have been ordering low floor buses since 1999 to replace retiring high floor buses.

Short turn buses are usually buses that are running late. By turning them around mid route they are able to get them back on schedule.

Gap bus usually does the entire trip. Also short turn only occurs when there is no chance of getting back to the schedule (10 minutes or more behind schedule).

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