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What the TTC should have chosen is to have wheel chair positions on both sides of the bus. The 2nd wheel chair row should be converted into 2+2 front facing seats. This could be quite cramp especially with those huge strollers people bring on the bus. The Orion VII NGs actually have the best seat layout for low floor buses. Of course Fishbowls top all of them.

Whoever was responsible for planning the seating arrangements for the 40 foot Novas did a really bad job. I wont even sugar coat it, it just doesnt work at all. The best part is that we're getting 200+ of them and they'll be around for years to come.

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Whoever was responsible for planning the seating arrangements for the 40 foot Novas did a really bad job. I wont even sugar coat it, it just doesnt work at all. The best part is that we're getting 200+ of them and they'll be around for years to come.

Novas just isn't good for TTC's layout. If TTC went with the LFS artic layout, there would only be 30 seats instead of 33. The D40LFs have 35, Orion VII NG have 36 and the OG VIIs have 38. The fishbowls, RTSes and the 6640 series Orion Vs have 39.

The 8510s are stated to have 33 seats just like the 8400s. I don't expect any changes if they get more novas. I think TTC figured out that no one stands at the back anyways. Maybe they should just move both wheelchair bench seats to the left side. The Flyers XD40 would let TTC design a better seat layout than the novas. There is no way to fix the LFS bus design. Just saying.

With low floor buses on the market, it would really be nice to have 45ft. buses. It will make up the lost of seats.

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With low floor buses on the market, it would really be nice to have 45ft. buses. It will make up the lost of seats.

Or NFI can acquire Nova Bus the same way they've been acquiring all of their competition and the TTC will have no choice but to go with New Flyer's ;) .

That will never happen though unless Volvo screws up Nova Bus as badly as Daimler did with Orion.

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Novas just isn't good for TTC's layout. If TTC went with the LFS artic layout, there would only be 30 seats instead of 33. The D40LFs have 35, Orion VII NG have 36 and the OG VIIs have 38. The fishbowls, RTSes and the 6640 series Orion Vs have 39.

The artic buses have another section, so comparing the seating to the 40' is moot

The lift-equipped Orion Vs had a very good seating layout. I didn't ride the non-lift ones enough to comment. The RTS had at least two seats (rear corners) that aren't usable by someone with legs. However, the "legless children" of Ford Mustang fame may fit in there.

There are plenty of awkward seats on the OG Orion VII that are only filled as a last resort, such as the ones stuck behind the raised wheelwell pairs.

Counting seats is only one measure. Another is how the bus handles crowds where some people are standing.

I think rear doors should have some spikes to discourage mouth-breathers from using the door area as their favourite standing spot. On so many Orion VIIs with their outward-swinging doors, there are two people loitering in the door area, one with chin tucked over the forward barrier, the other lounging against the back barrier. If my backpack gives them a thump as I squeeze by these louts to get off, so be it. Big heavy safety boots help too.

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There are plenty of awkward seats on the OG Orion VII that are only filled as a last resort, such as the ones stuck behind the raised wheelwell pairs.

I sit on those exact seats on the OG VIIs all the time, it actually isn't that awkward, for me it's better because chances are my knee won't be pressed up against the seat in front of me when I get those seats

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Or NFI can acquire Nova Bus the same way they've been acquiring all of their competition and the TTC will have no choice but to go with New Flyer's ;) .

That will never happen though unless Volvo screws up Nova Bus as badly as Daimler did with Orion.

Nova is really taking over in the last few years. NFI must be under bidding to keep up, and not lose any customers. lol

Novas just isn't good for TTC's layout. If TTC went with the LFS artic layout, there would only be 30 seats instead of 33. The D40LFs have 35, Orion VII NG have 36 and the OG VIIs have 38. The fishbowls, RTSes and the 6640 series Orion Vs have 39.

The 8510s are stated to have 33 seats just like the 8400s. I don't expect any changes if they get more novas. I think TTC figured out that no one stands at the back anyways. Maybe they should just move both wheelchair bench seats to the left side. The Flyers XD40 would let TTC design a better seat layout than the novas. There is no way to fix the LFS bus design. Just saying.

With low floor buses on the market, it would really be nice to have 45ft. buses. It will make up the lost of seats.

45ft, you'll have to think about some of the routes too. TTC should spec the bus right. When TTC got the RTS, its was beyond me why they got the WFD spec just to have the wheel chair lift at the rear doors. Its like they don't do a proper through review on these buses. And no operator or mechanic input, not even customer review. Look at the OG VII and the rear seating layout.

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For those who don't know or who wondered if you could run from the airport to Kennedy station.

At least on Sunday morning you can. Not sure if you could the other direction

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Just thought I'd share a few photos of the work they're doing on Osgoode:

Looks like they're using subway font with the fixed "S" that doesn't lean backwards.

Wonder why the colours are being changed (as happened for Pape).

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Huhh. The way how I took the introduction of service enhancements over the fall was that you couldn't do end to end. And you would have to transfer between branches to go the extra distance on either end.

This is starting to sound like the Delaware bus in Hamilton.

Thanks for the info!

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Now that this is declared public, here:

https://ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Commission_reports_and_information/Commission_meetings/2015/October_28/Reports/2016-2025_Bus_Fleet-Facility_Plan.pdf

Hoists at eglinton can only handle 40 foot not 45

I get what you're saying, but the front post is adjustable, and it would depend on the wheelbase.

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Does anyone have an idea of what is to come of the 107 Keele North route once the University expansion is opened? I know YRT is taking over the portion in Vaughan but what about service on Chesswood and Lepage/St. Regis?

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Does anyone have an idea of what is to come of the 107 Keele North route once the University expansion is opened? I know YRT is taking over the portion in Vaughan but what about service on Chesswood and Lepage/St. Regis?

I don't think ttc announced what's going to happen there.

Probably a new route that loop around those streets. They could keep 107 for it.

Most routes near there would end up at pioneer village station.

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Does anyone have an idea of what is to come of the 107 Keele North route once the University expansion is opened? I know YRT is taking over the portion in Vaughan but what about service on Chesswood and Lepage/St. Regis?

Once the subway extension opens, YRT will take over operation of all of the TTC routes operating in Vaughan. This includes the 35D (which will become a branch of the 20) and the 105 and 107+ which will become their own routes.

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Service expansion (Feb 16) - 65 Parliament morning peak and mid-day headway changed from 18 minutes to 12 minutes. 3 buses on line rather than 2.

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Service expansion (Feb 16) - 65 Parliament morning peak and mid-day headway changed from 18 minutes to 12 minutes. 3 buses on line rather than 2.

That's a welcome change. It's supposed to be part of the 10-minute network, and has long ran every 9 minutes in PM rush. The truth is that only running every 18 minutes, people simply walk to Sherbourne (which runs every 6 minutes). Hopefully getting Parliament to every 10 (presumably every 9 minutes with 4 buses) will make Sherbourne a little less overcrowded.

I certainly noticed that after it dropped from every 16 minutes to every 18 minutes when they changed the run time, that I started riding it much less, as it never seemed to be in the right place when I was coming along 506. (though the improved 504 reliability and return to King E through Corktown has also helped that more recently).

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Paging all the armchair transit planners who think Parliament's ridership is too low for any service increases.

That's what I thought. Keep the garbage to yourselves.

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Paging all the armchair transit planners who think Parliament's ridership is too low for any service increases.

That's what I thought. Keep the garbage to yourselves.

They are artificially increasing the service to make it fit with a political pledge - the 10 minute service network. This is the second or third step to meeting that goal. They would have done it sooner if they had the buses available.

So yeah, maybe you should do some reading.

Dan

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