drum118 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, CBlake said: So would you just get on a bus if you do not have a Presto card? Why not when TTC is already saying so and expecting to happen?? If you are on a bus route that doesn't use a subway stop or have no need to go to one, how do you pay to ride it now??? Other systems are doing the same thing as well. TTC is not forcing riders to buy a Presto card at this time, but that has been the plan for years as well other systems who use Presto as well. It was supposed to be last year or so, but with all the Presto issues, didn't happen. Last year saw TTC stop selling tickets, passes, day pass or tokens, but allowing rider to use them up since TTC will not refund the money for them. You could your pass on your Presto card as well your age and pay the going rate based on your age. As a visitor to US systems, I have an option of having to buy a card and put funds on it for my trips, or getting 1-7 day pass from machines that don't have staff on had at them. Its the same way in Europe. Depending on the system, you can use cash, debit or credit card to buy your fare. There is and will be riders who only can afford to pay for the day fare based on what they earn the day before and can't save enough money to buy the Presto and maintain X $$ on it. Some have no bank account and that rules out debit or credit card due to various reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 The Board period for May 10 to June Something came out, with no changes to service. So well see if they pull it before operators start signing. They're better off just leaving it, and working the magic through out the board period. Trains have been cancelled and some running in much earlier. I'm notice some TTC and Miway Buses running with a seated load and standing load, most likely due to reduction or cancelled runs, which defeats the purpose of social distancing. Transit will be a playground for Corona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorjays Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 18 hours ago, CBlake said: So they are moving from not handing transfers out to making the only form of payment Presto cards. Wonder if fare evasion played any part in this decision but they had rear do entry in place anyways. Stay safe to all the TTC workers on the front lines and beyond. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/03/23/health-experts-warn-of-face-mask-shortage-1472-cases-of-confirmed-and-presumptive-covid-19-in-canada.html 8:00 p.m.: The TTC will stop accepting cash, tickets, and tokens on all of its bus routes and will ask passengers to only use the vehicles’ rear doors in effort to protect the agency’s drivers from the spread of COVID-19. Until further notice, the only way for bus riders to pay on the vehicles will be with the Presto fare card. While many other transit services all across the country are implementing free-fare.. (Even Vancouver and Montreal is doing it) Why on earth the TTC is still refusing to implement that?? Basically the TTC is the only transit service in Canada which is not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, raptorjays said: While many other transit services all across the country are implementing free-fare.. (Even Vancouver and Montreal is doing it) Why on earth the TTC is still refusing to implement that?? Basically the TTC is the only transit service in Canada which is not doing it. The vast majority of transit systems locate all of their fare payment (the farebox) at the front door next to the driver. If passengers are not allowed to go near the driver, they cannot access the farebox. It is not that transit systems are choosing to give free fares to riders during this time, they simply do not have any way to collect fares without risking exposure to their employees. However, TTC decided to install Presto readers at the back doors of their vehicles. Therefore, passengers using Presto cards still have the ability to pay their fare when they enter a vehicle. TTC has already suspended the collection of cash fares, tickets, and tokens on buses, because as mentioned passengers cannot deposit these fares, and cannot receive a transfer as proof of payment. Btw, York Region Transit has also said that rides are not "free" despite having the same rear-door boarding measures on all vehicles; because they have fare payment devices located on Viva station platforms, riders are still expected to purchase or validate their fares when starting, ending, or transferring at a Viva stop. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, raptorjays said: While many other transit services all across the country are implementing free-fare.. (Even Vancouver and Montreal is doing it) Why on earth the TTC is still refusing to implement that?? Basically the TTC is the only transit service in Canada which is not doing it. Are you joking? The TTC is going to need their fares now more than ever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 Many TTC buses running around this morning with a new P/R destination sign for "REAR DOOR BOARDING". But is par for the course with some of their recent destination sign programming, they didn't program the rear signs to read correctly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsbuspage Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 18 hours ago, raptorjays said: While many other transit services all across the country are implementing free-fare.. (Even Vancouver and Montreal is doing it) Why on earth the TTC is still refusing to implement that?? Basically the TTC is the only transit service in Canada which is not doing it. OC Transpo also have Presto readers installed at the rear doors on their articulated and double decker buses. They've stopped accepting cash fares or paper transfers, but they are still expecting Presto and Multi-day pass users to tap their cards if possible. On forty-foot buses without Presto readers at the rear, there is simply no place to tap a card, so those buses are de facto offering free service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-717 Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 Something I've noticed: on the entry to some pocket tracks, like between Chester and Broadview, one of the rails at the point of intersection appears to be continuous, like in this picture, thus making it seemingly impossible to switch tracks to access the pocket track. What is the reason for this, and is there a way for the track to switch in these cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, 81-717 said: Something I've noticed: on the entry to some pocket tracks, like between Chester and Broadview, one of the rails at the point of intersection appears to be continuous, like in this picture, thus making it seemingly impossible to switch tracks to access the pocket track. What is the reason for this, and is there a way for the track to switch in these cases? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramguy Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just wondering. It's Saturday morning and there are 39 alerts. Most due to suspended express bus service. There always seems to be several escalators out of service, today, 5, not counting those affected by the power outage. I know these subway escalators probably run 20 hours daily. Is it a question of heavy wear and tear or possibly inferior equipment? Any thoughts, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 14 hours ago, 81-717 said: Something I've noticed: on the entry to some pocket tracks, like between Chester and Broadview, one of the rails at the point of intersection appears to be continuous, like in this picture, thus making it seemingly impossible to switch tracks to access the pocket track. What is the reason for this, and is there a way for the track to switch in these cases? As @Bus_Medic mentioned, the TTC has been converting many of its little-used crossovers to use "lift frogs". Normally, when two tracks intersect, both rails need a gap in order for the flange to pass through the other rail. In a lift frog, the secondary rail gets lifted enough so that the flanges on passing trains can clear the main line rail without requiring a gap; therefore, the main line rail can be continuous through the switch. It leads to a much quieter and a bit smoother ride, because trains are not thumping over gaps in the rail, and maintenance costs are lower because trains are just running straight through and not wearing down the edge of the gap. I believe the Ossington centre track was the first location on the network to be converted over to lift frogs, maybe 2-3 years ago. Other infrequently-used crossovers are having lift frogs installed; the crossover south of Lawrence Station is having them installed currently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Tramguy said: Just wondering. It's Saturday morning and there are 39 alerts. Most due to suspended express bus service. There always seems to be several escalators out of service, today, 5, not counting those affected by the power outage. I know these subway escalators probably run 20 hours daily. Is it a question of heavy wear and tear or possibly inferior equipment? Any thoughts, anyone? I suspect that the problem is more with the elevating devices servicemen, and in particular their lack of numbers at this moment. There simply aren't enough of them working right now to get to all of the equipment that needs to be fixed. 1 hour ago, Articulated said: As @Bus_Medic mentioned, the TTC has been converting many of its little-used crossovers to use "lift frogs". Normally, when two tracks intersect, both rails need a gap in order for the flange to pass through the other rail. In a lift frog, the secondary rail gets lifted enough so that the flanges on passing trains can clear the main line rail without requiring a gap; therefore, the main line rail can be continuous through the switch. It leads to a much quieter and a bit smoother ride, because trains are not thumping over gaps in the rail, and maintenance costs are lower because trains are just running straight through and not wearing down the edge of the gap. I believe the Ossington centre track was the first location on the network to be converted over to lift frogs, maybe 2-3 years ago. Other infrequently-used crossovers are having lift frogs installed; the crossover south of Lawrence Station is having them installed currently. While the upsides as you note are pretty substantial, there is also one pretty serious downside to it as well - the diverging route must operate at a substantially lower speed than the main route. On the mainline railways, it's usually 5 or 10mph, on the TTC subway I believe it is 7 to 10km/h. This has the negative effect of causing the train taking the diverging route to spend more time occupying the turnout and the respective blocks of the signal system, and thus causing trains behind it to stack up. There are other methods of attaining a gap-less crossing, but they too have their own serious downsides - and usually, it has to do with ongoing maintenance. Lift/jump frogs are usually pretty maintenance-free, which is a very serious plus on a very intensively used railway such as a subway system. While the Ossington spare track was done fairly early on, wasn't Islington the first one installed? Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandvictory2 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Tramguy said: Just wondering. It's Saturday morning and there are 39 alerts. Most due to suspended express bus service. There always seems to be several escalators out of service, today, 5, not counting those affected by the power outage. I know these subway escalators probably run 20 hours daily. Is it a question of heavy wear and tear or possibly inferior equipment? Any thoughts, anyone? the escalators will have more usage than the ones at the malls. Also due to close proximity to the streets, salts and other crap get stuck in the escalators which lead to more break downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wil9402 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 8:50 AM, Matt said: Many TTC buses running around this morning with a new P/R destination sign for "REAR DOOR BOARDING". But is par for the course with some of their recent destination sign programming, they didn't program the rear signs to read correctly... They seem to have fixed this. Noticed a number of buses today with the rear sign fitting the entire P/R message on two lines similar to the "Not In Service" rear sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 35 minutes ago, wil9402 said: They seem to have fixed this. Noticed a number of buses today with the rear sign fitting the entire P/R message on two lines similar to the "Not In Service" rear sign. It was fixed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someguy3071 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 We have another PR code to use as well. You'll probably see some buses using this one. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayside Observer Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 So I was talking with a friend last night and the subject of some relics like the Peter Witt skeleton up by the Haliburton Scout Reserve and the mess hall at Camp Endobanah which is not far from there, which was a wartime building from the Eglinton division that was surplussed, taken apart then moved and reassembled at the camp came up along with 2890 at Seashore. One of the reasons Seashore wanted a Toronto Peter Witt was because of the generous amount of windows which would provide a good view of the line for passengers if they were to get it regauged and running which in turn brought up the subject of the Peter Witt that's built into a cottage up near Pointe Au Baril as an enclosed porch/sunroom/living room type deal. I wonder, from the part of the roof profile visible, if it might've been a Brill. Does anybody know what the fleet number of this one was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 The TTC was running extra-frequent (15 minutes, I believe) night service on 301, 304, 310 due to a shortage of overnight storage space. Is this continuing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Ed T. said: The TTC was running extra-frequent (15 minutes, I believe) night service on 301, 304, 310 due to a shortage of overnight storage space. Is this continuing now? Looks like it, looking at 310's data from this morning - https://www.transsee.ca/triplist?a=ttc&route=310&date=2020-04-01 306 every 20 minutes as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 20 hours ago, nfitz said: Looks like it, looking at 310's data from this morning - https://www.transsee.ca/triplist?a=ttc&route=310&date=2020-04-01 306 every 20 minutes as well! I should get premium access to Transsee, but I don't have PayPal, and the last time I checked Transsee was probably mid-February. I hear the 301 service in the wee hours if I'm being a bit insomniac. Sometimes a bit of a squeal going around the loop, but much more noisy running on rough rails eastbound from the loop to Thirty Seventh St. I don't know if the bad rail is patchy, or if the noise is travelling through gaps in buildings. But I hear it through good quality closed insulated windows at a distance of at least half a kilometre. I would think that with the shutdown of bars and restaurants, as well as schools and colleges and universities, late-evening and early-morning travel on these streetcar routes (Queen, King, Carlton) would be way down. No problem keeping physical distance on these cars. But If enough operators call in sick or are self-isolating, what would the TTC do if they can't send the excess streetcars out to mitigate the storage issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 I don't think you need a pay pal account ... just a credit card. I certainly don't recall telling it about my pay pal account ... just my credit card. I hadn't realised that was premium data though ... I thought that just got rid of the ads! Most of the overnight traffic I see when I rode ... except perhaps early Friday to early Sunday - are people heading to/from work. Especially by 3 or 4 AM (you don't have to tell me about insomnia ... fortunately mine is mostly cured!) Often to and from the hospitals (at least on 506). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 About a decade ago, I attended an open house at the Greenwood subway yard, and acquired a set of datasheets for the Camshaft (H1, H2, and H4) Hawkers, Chopper (H5 and H6) Hawkers, and T1 models of subway cars. I had to scan some documents this evening so I thought I'd throw these onto the end of my job. Hopefully some of you will find this information of value. Subway H1-4 datasheet by T3G, on Flickr Subway H5-6 datasheet by T3G, on Flickr Subway T1 datasheet by T3G, on Flickr 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A85 Gate Delta Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Hi all, I'm planning a trip to Toronto in the future (rest assured, once normal life resumes and it's safe to travel about). What sights/transit riding/spotting would anyone recommend for a brief (2-3 day) visit? Looking possibly for a trip to Niagara Falls, and I’d like to ride the Scarborough RT and the Bloor-Danforth lines, alongside maybe some brief bus spotting if that helps. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 9 hours ago, A85 Gate Delta said: Hi all, I'm planning a trip to Toronto in the future (rest assured, once normal life resumes and it's safe to travel about). What sights/transit riding/spotting would anyone recommend for a brief (2-3 day) visit? Looking possibly for a trip to Niagara Falls, and I’d like to ride the Scarborough RT and the Bloor-Danforth lines, alongside maybe some brief bus spotting if that helps. Thanks! High Park Loop on the 506 (even with the flexities), any of the surface sections of Line 2, the maple leaf park next to the Union Station rail corridor if you fancy VIA/Heavy rail equipment, Russell (especially if you like the CLRVs). Always sit in the first car of a train on line 2 — you can look out the front window. Rosedale station is a great spotting spot. Line one north of St. George has some amazing stations (Dupont, Yorkdale, Pioneer Village, Sheppard West, VMC come to mind and while the platform shots may not be the best at most of those (except Dupont and Sheppard West), you can definitely get cool perspective shots at all. The Sheppard line is a fun little stub run. I'd do it just for novelty's sake Make the trek out to Halton if you have a car too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3G Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 10 hours ago, A85 Gate Delta said: Hi all, I'm planning a trip to Toronto in the future (rest assured, once normal life resumes and it's safe to travel about). What sights/transit riding/spotting would anyone recommend for a brief (2-3 day) visit? Looking possibly for a trip to Niagara Falls, and I’d like to ride the Scarborough RT and the Bloor-Danforth lines, alongside maybe some brief bus spotting if that helps. Thanks! Davisville yard, viewed from the Belt Line bridge by Yonge and Merton Streets, is something that comes to mind. With a bit of luck, you may run into some interesting work equipment, including the last Hawker-Siddeley H4 work cars in the city, parked in the yard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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