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4 hours ago, smallspy said:

Not that old?!? About half of the fleet is 20 years old now!

 

As for what the future holds with regards to subway fleet assignments - well, I don't think that the TTC even knows what its plans are yet. They seem to keep floating around ideas internally without settling on any single thing.


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Since the TR's have been delivered the T1 requirements have been low. About 1/3 of the cars aren't needed for daily service so their mileage shouldn't look too bad relatively speaking.

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35 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

Since the TR's have been delivered the T1 requirements have been low. About 1/3 of the cars aren't needed for daily service so their mileage shouldn't look too bad relatively speaking.

This also part of the reason behind the fact that 6 cars are being converted to work cars over the next year.

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Does anyone know why the trains are still being limited to 30km/h between Warden & Woodbine, basically as soon as the trains leave the tunnels they slow down. I have heard in on the scanner over a month ago that there was a limit in the open cuts, but this is still happening.

Some suggested before it was leaves falling? Well they're all down, and the limit is still there, annoyingly slowing down the morning commute.

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1 hour ago, MK78 said:

Does anyone know why the trains are still being limited to 30km/h between Warden & Woodbine, basically as soon as the trains leave the tunnels they slow down. I have heard in on the scanner over a month ago that there was a limit in the open cuts, but this is still happening.

 Some suggested before it was leaves falling? Well they're all down, and the limit is still there, annoyingly slowing down the morning commute.

Leaves can still remain on the tracks... even worse when the tracks are wet

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2 hours ago, MK78 said:

Does anyone know why the trains are still being limited to 30km/h between Warden & Woodbine, basically as soon as the trains leave the tunnels they slow down. I have heard in on the scanner over a month ago that there was a limit in the open cuts, but this is still happening.

Some suggested before it was leaves falling? Well they're all down, and the limit is still there, annoyingly slowing down the morning commute.

A closure is scheduled there for the coming weekend. Track work probably.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO2bkGmCBBM

 

So what's up with 7575? The paint looks astonishingly new (shiny, maybe they cleaned it, but its retired?????). @TechnicaProductions did you guys charter 7575 too? Will it be saved from the scraper after all? Also, did you charter ES-1? Kind of surprised you can charter them...

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1 minute ago, ttc9432 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO2bkGmCBBM

 

So what's up with 7575? The paint looks astonishingly new (shiny, maybe they cleaned it, but its retired?????). @TechnicaProductions did you guys charter 7575 too? Will it be saved from the scraper after all? Also, did you charter ES-1? Kind of surprised you can charter them...

You can't charter Events Support buses.

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1 hour ago, ttc9432 said:

So what's up with 7575? The paint looks astonishingly new (shiny, maybe they cleaned it, but its retired?????). @TechnicaProductions did you guys charter 7575 too? Will it be saved from the scraper after all? Also, did you charter ES-1? Kind of surprised you can charter them...

I was there at that charter. Nothing is up with 7575. It's done.

7575 and ES-1 was brought out by the Birchmount mechs during the 3411 charter. They weren't chartered.

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2 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

A closure is scheduled there for the coming weekend. Track work probably.

Maybe, but like I said the trains slow down immediately after they exit the tunnels. Its weird, but im sure its programmed into speed control, and they cruise along at 30k on the dot, and speed up as soon as they're in the tunnel.

Usually on that section if there was a restricted speed zone it was only a section.

But here's hoping they fix it soon.

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18 hours ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

Since the TR's have been delivered the T1 requirements have been low. About 1/3 of the cars aren't needed for daily service so their mileage shouldn't look too bad relatively speaking.

It's not quite 1/3rd - but also remember that more than half of the fleet is in service for more than 12 hours each weekday. That's still a lot of mileage that they rack up.

 

18 hours ago, TechnicaProductions said:

This also part of the reason behind the fact that 6 cars are being converted to work cars over the next year.

Nitpick: you mean 4 more. The first 2 have already been outshopped.

 

8 minutes ago, Triplej814 said:

Weird Question...

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What is this? I've noticed quite a few CLRV's with it ducted taped shut recently. This morning 4048 had it ducted taped shut

Operator's foot vent. Operators will frequently put duct tape around the outside in the winter months. This also used to be common with the older buses as well, especially as the vehicles aged and the seals wore and dried out.


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12 minutes ago, raptorjays said:

Well, I do believe TTC has to install some kind of platform protections.. seriously..

2 fatalities in less than a week is quite unacceptable... TTC is still stuck in the third world..

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Can't even think about it until ATC is completed. They won't do it anyway, the cost is too high.

Desperate souls think that the subway is a sure way out. If only they knew how many don't succeed, at least initially, and are carted off in ambulances mangled.

 

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At this stage while there's still time before construction can actually start, is getting the funding and planning set up. So once ATC is complete, construction can start. Not that there is any political will right now though...

Suicide prevention is just one of the benefits, others (platform safety in general, garbage containment, preventing unauthorizeds, etc) are just as significant.

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A determined person will just go elsewhere to do it. Are they going to build electric fences around all the train tracks? Or build barriers on any high bridge like they did on the Bloor viaduct?

And I say that having my brother committed suicide a few years ago.

What's needed is more help and awareness to help those in need, not barriers.

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They might end up choosing selected stations and installing them. Bloor is one that trains have to slow down and slowly enter to reduce the chance of an injury resulting from crowding. By installing just the southbound side of Bloor, they would be able to improve train throughput easily and safely.

Reduced suicide rates on the TTC would also be beneficial to the health of the workers. I agree that PSDs aren't a solution to mental health issues. It would however reduce the number of employees on paid leave due to PTSD. It is also important to consider the economical lost when these events arises. Although the full eastern leg of the Relief line would be able to alleviate some of the riders. Line 5 would do the same for Line 2.

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While on the subject of platform barriers, here are the photos from around the world that have platform safety barriers that the TTC may consider choosing.

EXHIBIT A

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Zongguan Station - Wuhan Metro - Wuhan, Hubei, China (People's Republic of)

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Sadang Station - Seoul Metro Subway - Seoul, Republic of Korea

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Yong'anli Station - Beijing Subway - Beijing, China (People's Republic of)

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Taipei Main Station - Taipei Metro - Taipei, Taiwan, China (Republic of)

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Saint Lazare Station - Paris Metro - Paris, France

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Novokrestovskaya - Saint Petersburg Metro - Saint Petersburg, Russian Federation

EXHIBIT G

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East Tsim Sha Tsui Station - Mass Transit Railway - Hong Kong SAR, China (People's Republic of)

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C, D, or E would be the most likely candidates, as they wouldn’t interfere much with the engineered ventilation flow already in place in the event of a fire. The others would likely mean more modifications than simply installing the barriers themselves.

Exhibit A seems like a waste of resources if the goal is to prevent intentional jumping.

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A lot of those barriers/doors are to prevent accidents due to overcrowding, not so much suicides. Though it does help of course. People stuff into those trains like sardines.

What it would help is efficiency, because trains wouldn't have to slow down when entering when there's a "person not boarding" on the platform, or a medical emergency, and would of course prevent "trespasser at track level" delays.

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51 minutes ago, MK78 said:

A lot of those barriers/doors are to prevent accidents due to overcrowding, not so much suicides. Though it does help of course. People stuff into those trains like sardines.

What it would help is efficiency, because trains wouldn't have to slow down when entering when there's a "person not boarding" on the platform, or a medical emergency, and would of course prevent "trespasser at track level" delays.

Yeah, maybe when somebody wants to get on the next train, they could push a button, signaling the next train to stop at the location, but this would mess up the scheduling. Otherwise, the train doesn't stop. I think the ones in St Petersburg and Paris would be suitable for Toronto. They would make it look really cool too! 

 

19 hours ago, MK78 said:

A determined person will just go elsewhere to do it. Are they going to build electric fences around all the train tracks? Or build barriers on any high bridge like they did on the Bloor viaduct?

And I say that having my brother committed suicide a few years ago.

What's needed is more help and awareness to help those in need, not barriers.

They are aware that suicidal people are determined to commit suicide, they TTC just doesn't want to deal with it. 

Sorry about your brother. People need to ask for help when they can.

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8 minutes ago, ttc9432 said:

Yeah, maybe when somebody wants to get on the next train, they could push a button, signaling the next train to stop at the location, but this would mess up the scheduling. Otherwise, the train doesn't stop. I think the ones in St Petersburg and Paris would be suitable for Toronto. They would make it look really cool too! 

So you want the subway to act like a bus system...

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On 12/3/2018 at 2:04 PM, WoodbineSecondExit said:

Since the TR's have been delivered the T1 requirements have been low. About 1/3 of the cars aren't needed for daily service so their mileage shouldn't look too bad relatively speaking.

 

On 12/4/2018 at 9:02 AM, smallspy said:

It's not quite 1/3rd

 

What's the desired spare ratio?  18%?

There are 270 T1 cars (45 trainsets) required for AM peak. So they'd need 318 cars (equivalent of 43 trainsets) with the required spares.

With 370 cars, that's 52 extra cars. Closer to 1/7 than 1/3!

 

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There is something I was wondering that since the TTC has an express modes (bus, subway), why there is none for streetcar counterparts? Although the TTC isn't willingly to introduce streetcar express service on QUEEN (901), KING (904), HARBOURFRONT (909) and SPADINA (910) since the tracks are single on each side.

Would that streetcar express concept also affect the 140s Downtown Express routes?

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You answered your own question. You can't have express streetcars unless you have a second pair of tracks (and room to build them). And if you've got that kind of space, it would make far more sense to invest in building a right-of-way instead of express tracks for cars that will idle in traffic just as much as the local ones.

It won't affect the downtown express routes since there will never be an express streetcar network.

There's nothing express about the subway, they stop at every station.

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