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Route Allocations 2021

XX (YY) = Transferred Route, Old Garage in (  ).

XX = NEW ROUTE

50 - Stinson {Total Routes: 26}

16, 80, 93, 100, 103, 105, 115, 119, 124, 128, 160, 162, 165, 166, 171, 175, 213, 369, 371, 380, 465, 470, 480, 485, 711, 747

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 10, 13, 15, 17, 18, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 34, 37, 40, 41, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 57, 63, 64, 67, 68, 69, 70, 72, 73, 76, 77, 85, 90, 92, 94, 95, 97, 102, 104, 112, 117, 121, 125, 126, 129, 135, 138, 139, 140, 141, 144, 146, 161, 164, 168, 170, 174, 179, 180, 185, 186, 188, 191, 192, 193, 195, 196, 197, 200, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 211, 215, 216, 225, 356, 361, 363, 365, 370, 405, 409, 410, 411, 419, 420, 425, 427, 430, 432, 439, 440, 460, 467, 468, 469, 475, 487, 491, 495, 496, 767, 769, 777, 919

54 - Anjou {Total Routes: 30}

26, 28, 32, 33, 39, 40, 43, 44, 49, 81, 86, 141, 183, 186, 187, 188, 189, 192, 353, 355, 362, 364, 372, 428, 432, 444, 448, 449, 486, 487

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 10, 18, 22, 27, 30, 31, 45, 47, 48, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 67, 69, 80, 85, 92, 93, 95, 97, 99, 100, 119, 121, 125, 131, 135, 136, 139, 140, 146, 160, 164, 170, 171, 179, 180, 185, 193, 197, 202, 370, 380, 410, 427, 430, 435, 439, 440, 460, 469

55 - St Denis {Total Routes: 18}

13, 18, 30, 31, 46, 55, 66, 92, 95, 99, 129, 144, 161, 179, 361, 363, 370, 445

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 16, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 32, 34, 39, 41, 43, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 67, 69, 80, 85, 90, 93, 97, 100, 103, 104, 105, 115, 119, 121, 124, 135, 136, 140, 141, 146, 160, 164, 165, 166, 171, 180, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 192, 193, 197, 202, 365, 372, 410, 427, 428, 430, 432, 440, 449, 460, 469, 487, 715, 767, 769, 777

56 - LaSalle {Total Routes: 41}

12, 21, 35, 36, 37, 57, 58, 61, 63, 71, 77, 78, 90, 101, 102, 104, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 113, 116, 123, 138, 191, 195, 211, 350, 354, 356, 360, 405, 406, 411, 420, 425, 491, 495, 496

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 11, 17, 24, 47, 51, 64, 66, 74, 75, 80, 85, 97, 100, 103, 105, 124, 129, 144, 160, 161, 162, 165, 166, 168, 178, 196, 200, 202, 203, 204, 205, 207, 209, 213, 216, 369, 370, 401, 409, 410, 427, 430, 460, 485, 747, 767, 769, 777

57 - Mont Royal {Total Routes: 12}

11,14, 25, 27, 47, 51, 97, 359, 368, 410, 427, 430

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 10, 13, 15, 18, 24, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 39, 40, 44, 45, 46, 48, 49, 54, 55, 57, 58, 61, 67, 75, 80, 85, 86, 90, 92, 94, 100, 103, 105, 106, 107, 109, 110, 112, 113, 119, 124, 125, 129, 131, 136, 139, 141, 144, 150, 160, 161, 165, 168, 171, 183, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 191, 192, 193, 197, 355, 357, 361, 363, 406, 428, 432, 439, 448, 449, 460, 467, 469, 486, 487, 495, 715, 767, 769, 777

58 - Legendre {Total Routes: 23}

19, 41, 45, 48 (AN), 52, 54, 56, 67, 69, 121, 135, 139, 140, 146, 180, 193, 197, 365, 439, 440, 460, 467, 469

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 10, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 22, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 34, 37, 39, 40, 44, 47, 49, 51, 55, 57, 64, 68, 70, 72, 80, 90, 92, 93, 94, 95, 97, 99, 100, 105, 110, 113, 115, 117, 119, 124, 125, 126, 128, 129, 131, 136, 141, 144, 150, 16, 161, 162, 164, 165, 168, 170, 171, 174, 175, 177, 179, 185, 186, 187, 188, 191, 192, 195, 196, 202, 203, 204, 206, 209, 211, 215, 215, 216, 225, 355, 359, 361, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 378, 380, 409, 410, 411, 420, 427, 430, 432, 465, 468, 470, 480, 487, 491, 196, 747, 767, 769, 777

59 - Frontenac {Total Routes: 23}

10, 15, 22, 24, 29, 34, 74, 75, 85, 94, 125, 131, 136, 150, 168, 178, 185, 357, 358, 715, 767, 769, 777

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 12, 18, 25, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 39, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 51, 55, 58, 61, 67, 77, 81, 86, 90, 97, 100, 103, 105, 109, 113, 119, 129, 138, 139, 141, 144, 160, 161, 162, 179, 186, 187, 188, 189, 191, 192, 197, 353, 355, 368, 410, 411, 420, 427, 428, 430, 432, 439, 445, 448, 449, 460, 486, 487, 496, 747

60 - St Laurent {Total Routes: 42}

17, 64, 68, 70, 72, 73, 76, 117, 126, 164, 170, 174, 177, 196, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 225, 376, 378, 382, 401, 407, 409, 419, 468, 475, 919, 968

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: 16, 24, 30, 48, 51, 52, 54, 55, 69, 77, 90, 92, 93, 95, 99, 100, 103, 105, 110, 115, 121, 124, 128, 135, 140, 160, 161, 175, 179, 180, 191, 192, 193, 195, 211, 212, 213, 371, 411, 440, 460, 470, 485, 495, 747

62 - St Michel {Total Routes: 11}

212, 252, 253, 254, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 262, 263

POSSIBLE EXTRAS: N/A

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The GTFS data for the new board period has been released. I took a look through most of the lines, and it seems like almost all the routes will have service reductions during rush hours compared to the current schedule. A few interesting things I've noticed:

- the 193 Jarry has extras from other garages, and will interline with other 40 footer routes. It will also have a more frequent schedule, so it seems like it will go back to 40 footer operation. 

- the CV shuttle has the number 810 (again), but this time they have made timetables for it. It will start on May 31st, and will come at most every 2 minutes, and will be operated by both SN and SL (as discussed).

- the 64 and 470 will start/end at Du Collège starting on May 31st.

- finally, the 968 will start/end at De la Savane (!) starting on May 31st. Obviously layover spot at Du College isn't abundant, but it's still a little bit funny to see another daytime bus line at De la Savane.

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- minor routing adjustment for the 81 and 178 (termini moved).

- 139 SB detour in effect (again) for des Récollets, plus new detours between Jean-Rivard and Sherbrooke via 19th, 20th avenues and Bourbonnière.

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If anyone's interested, here are all the extras for each route for the Spring board period. This only tells you which garages have extras on which routes, not how many there are or at what times and directions they are. To answer those questions, use this tool on @Gerbil's site and make sure to set the date to March 22nd or later.

STM Extras 21M.txt

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On 3/5/2021 at 12:12 AM, West Island Transit Fan said:

If anyone's interested, here are all the extras for each route for the Spring board period. This only tells you which garages have extras on which routes, not how many there are or at what times and directions they are. To answer those questions, use this tool on @Gerbil's site and make sure to set the date to March 22nd or later.

STM Extras 21M.txt 4.6 kB · 25 downloads

For the .txt document: Is the first garage listed the primary one, with others being possible trippers?

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2 hours ago, Mark Walton said:

For the .txt document: Is the first garage listed the primary one, with others being possible trippers?

No not necessarily. 3 posts above mine, MTL66 has listed the route allocations for each garage. For example, the 24 has trips from SN, SD, LS, MR, and FR, with FR being the primary one and thus making up the vast majority of the trips. 

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Details routed map for the Côte-Vertu shuttle have been published

64 Grenet and 470 Express Pierrefonds are to be rerouted to the north entrace of du Collège, since elevators are located at that entrance, it will provide via 64 accessible service to metro via Côte-Vertu

810 special shuttle will serve the south entrance of du Collège, drop off will be at the 460 stop inside loop, departure will be at the 117 stop (so expect 117-460 buses been "kicked out to the curb")

There will also likely be platform changes at CV for the 499 D-M Shuttle (64 temp stop)

 

http://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/media/Affairespubliques/Communiques/2021/CoteVertu/21848_03_fichemedia_85x11.pdf

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Upcoming changes for August 23rd:

The 100 will be routed off the 520 to better serve the major industries (the STM cited the following: CAE, Good Food, l'Oréal, Canada Post and IKEA) due to lack of pedestrian crossing on the highway. It will now also serve De la Savane eastbound.

The 76 will be eliminated.

The 460 will be permanently limited stop to reduce confusion. It will also serve De la Savane eastbound instead of Du Collège, to be consistent with the 100. It will also be extended to the airport to better serve airport employees.

Finally, the 204 and 460 will be both permanently using the north loop at Dorval; the 209 will be kicked out of its current platform at the airport.

For more information:
http://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/media/CA/2021/04/7.1-ca-2021-035-rec-dev_2021-01-modification_lignes_460_et_100.pdf
http://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/media/CA/2021/04/7.1-suite-ca-2021-035-rec-suite-dev_2021-01-modification_lignes_460_et_100.pdf

On another note, the June schedules for most of the routes are rather depressing (for example, the 121 every 15 minutes). I hope they realize there will be far more people using transit for the upcoming fall, and will beef up the service as needed.

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So with the summer closure of Côte-Vertu less then a week away now, this is what platform assignement will look like at Côte-Vertu

810 departure will be at Platform 4 and 5, usually the 64NB and 170NB
810 arrivals and Layover will be done at platform 14 (usually 470)
64 SB will relinquish platform 1 on Décarie (usually 174 and 216)
64 NB will use platform 22 on Gohier (usually exo 499)
170 will be moving to platform 11 (usually 177)

174 and 216 will move to a temporary terminal at Décarie / Édouard-Laurin
177 will move to a temporary terminal in front of Pizza Pizza

EXO Presqu'île A-40 and D-M Shuttle 499 moves to Décarie SB near Rochon

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STM has started the retirement of 63 of its 423 MR-73 Metro cars - including the first one, 79-501, which was recently returned to its birthplace, the Alstom (formerly Bombardier) plant at La Pocatière. From STM's FB page. In reply to questions about Exporail getting one of those cars, I suggested the last one, 79-782, when the time comes.

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11 hours ago, downbeat said:

Unexpected STM appearance: a new television ad for a certain coffee/doughnut chain appears to have been shot inside an STM bus garage. 

Stinson Garage. I am surprised they were able to find English Speaking Drivers

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The GTFS for the January 2022 board period has been released. Some remarks:

  • The 805 shuttle linking Acadie and Outremont stations for the closure of Outremont station will be run out of St. Denis. 
  • There is a new unannounced route: 822 Navette Longue Pointe.  It will run out of Anjou on weekdays and it seems like a unidirectional loop route that takes the following routing:
    • From Sherbrooke Eastbound at Radisson Station 
    • Right on the ramp towards A25 Southbound
    • Right  Hochelaga
    • Left Haig 
    • Left Notre-Dame
    • Left des Futailles
    • Right Tellier
    • Right de Boucherville
    • Right Notre-Dame 
    • Right Haig
    • Left Hochelaga
    • Right Langelier
    • Right Sherbrooke
  • There are no departures on the 919 Trainbus Acadie / Mont-Royal. Perhaps the route has been axed due to low ridership.
  • There are no route-garage allocation changes for 2022. 

I have also compiled a list of extras for this board period, which I have attached in the text file. This time, I have included the directions and start times for each.

STM_Extras_Winter_2022.txt

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On 12/10/2021 at 3:18 AM, West Island Transit Fan said:

The GTFS for the January 2022 board period has been released. Some remarks:

  • The 805 shuttle linking Acadie and Outremont stations for the closure of Outremont station will be run out of St. Denis. 
  • There is a new unannounced route: 822 Navette Longue Pointe.  It will run out of Anjou on weekdays and it seems like a unidirectional loop route that takes the following routing:
    • From Sherbrooke Eastbound at Radisson Station 
    • Right on the ramp towards A25 Southbound
    • Right  Hochelaga
    • Left Haig 
    • Left Notre-Dame
    • Left des Futailles
    • Right Tellier
    • Right de Boucherville
    • Right Notre-Dame 
    • Right Haig
    • Left Hochelaga
    • Right Langelier
    • Right Sherbrooke
  • There are no departures on the 919 Trainbus Acadie / Mont-Royal. Perhaps the route has been axed due to low ridership.
  • There are no route-garage allocation changes for 2022. 

I have also compiled a list of extras for this board period, which I have attached in the text file. This time, I have included the directions and start times for each.

STM_Extras_Winter_2022.txt 11.44 kB · 14 downloads

By far the wierdest AN extra I have seen in a while. 3 mid-day outside rush hour departures on the 27 of all routes...

    27     AN   O     13:45 242654804
    27     AN   E      14:15 242654806
    27     AN   E      14:57 242654808

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Meh, no extras on the 171 beyond 8:30am, so forget about 2nd gens. Plus, the service level is still just as bad as right now (even a bit worse in PM), so it's gonna be hell in January with jam-packed buses for a few weeks until they figure out when to add departures. Not very promising for the rest of the year when January is usually the most frequent board period... At least the service level on the 121 will be a bit more respectable. Otherwise, I'd curious to see which garage will run the 121I's.

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The budget and capital program for 2022 is out: https://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/pdf/fr/pi_22-31.pdf.

To note is that all future hybrid orders (through 2024) have been cancelled due to budgetary constraints: the 42 series we will receive next summer will be our last ever hybrid buses. The fleet may gradually shrink in size, if they cannot afford to keep the oldest buses for longer.

It doesn't look very promising with respect to artics: they're getting old and less reliable, and we won't have anything new to replace them in short term. The electric artic acquisition project from last year's PI disappeared as well.

The platform screen door project on orange line stations has been cancelled for good as well.

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12 hours ago, Frozen Yogurt said:

To note is that all future hybrid orders (through 2024) have been cancelled due to budgetary constraints: the 42 series we will receive next summer will be our last ever hybrid buses. The fleet may gradually shrink in size, if they cannot afford to keep the oldest buses for longer.

I cannot find the info pertaining to this. Can you point to the page?

All I can find is page 15, where it is stated that the electrification follows its way.

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8 hours ago, webfil said:

I cannot find the info pertaining to this. Can you point to the page?

All I can find is page 15, where it is stated that the electrification follows its way.

It's on page 39 of the PDF. I should have been more specific.

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Sommaire – projets

Les investissements prévus au cours des 10 prochaines années totalisent près de 16 G$. À titre comparatif, le précédent PI affichait des investissements de 18 G$ soit 2 G$ de plus.

 

Plusieurs actions ont été entreprises depuis le dernier PI afin de s’ajuster à la baisse de l’achalandage suite à la pandémie et au contexte financier actuel. Ces actions permettront aussi de limiter la hausse de la dette de la STM. Les acquisitions de bus prévues initialement pour l’ajout de service entre 2022 et 2024 ont été retirées. La réception complète au cours des prochains mois des 300 nouveaux bus permettra, temporairement, de ne pas remplacer les 80 bus diesel qui atteindront leur fin de vie utile en 2022. Le projet d’installation de portes palières sur la ligne orange, qui était évalué à 568 M$, a, quant à lui, été annulé. Les projets des Postes abaisseurs – 25 kV/12 kV - phases 1 et 2 ont été retirés du PI pour le moment d’ici à ce qu’un financement à 100% soit obtenu pour la réalisation de ces projets qui ne constituent pas des projets de transport collectif.

On page 48 is the summary table for units received each year. The previous PI had buses planned all the way until 2024, but the current one only goes to 2022.

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I believe the STM still orders this type of modesty panel with longitudinal seating. Durham has blocked off these seats presumably because the door could injure a rider’s arm. Has this been an issue in Montreal?

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12 hours ago, 2044 said:

I believe the STM still orders this type of modesty panel with longitudinal seating.

Haven't seen "beggar's seats" in a while on a STM bus, since they are not standard on new orders since the inception of 3rd generation LFS.

A mandatory boarding by the backdoor was in effect for some time in 2020. Since the reinstatement of the front door boarding, it is forbidden for a customer to stand or sit further up front than the center of the front wheel well. A beggar's seat on pre-2009 models would be condemned anyway, if not for the risk of injury but for COVID protection.

Also, I believe most if not all buses ordered by the STM since 2009 come with 75/25 doors to accomodate front-door accessibility ramps. When the ramp is not in use, there is little reason to operate the smaller flap of the door — so even if my memory plays tricks on me about the seating, the risk of injury on a customer seating beside the door is reduced.

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