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The contract has been cancelled, and all of the Goats so far delivered to CPR (1700-1704) are going to be returned to the builder. No more are going to be built and delivered to CPR. 1700 has already been sold to Amtrak as 599.

As far as I know NRE didn't get any GP9's for the 7 GP38's. The only GP9's that I know about that were "traded in" were the ones to be turned into Goats. But yes, SOO definately did need the smaller power which is why they bought them.

Dan

They could try those MPI switchers that have EMD primemovers

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They could try those MPI switchers that have EMD primemovers

You mean those EMD switchers that are built by MPI and have Cat prime movers...

Whatever the case...they could, although they don't seem to want to. They would have borrowed a couple of the CEFX units to see how they run, and they've yet to do that.

I think we're going to see more rebuilt GP38's before long.

Dan

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As far as I know NRE didn't get any GP9's for the 7 GP38's. The only GP9's that I know about that were "traded in" were the ones to be turned into Goats. But yes, SOO definately did need the smaller power which is why they bought them.

Dan

I there was mention of a bunch of CP ones that had ownership transfered to CIT or another lease outfit, with CP still using them. I don't think that had anything to do with aquiring new/rebuilt power.

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I there was mention of a bunch of CP ones that had ownership transfered to CIT or another lease outfit, with CP still using them. I don't think that had anything to do with aquiring new/rebuilt power.

Not those but MPI is offering a new switcher basic off that design but is EPA tier II level with new EMD prime mover.. So far no orders. CP has tired those MPI/EMD GP20 when they were new on the SOO they only took one or two to test, now all of them are on long term lease on UP

I there was mention of a bunch of CP ones that had ownership transfered to CIT or another lease outfit, with CP still using them. I don't think that had anything to do with aquiring new/rebuilt power.

this was two years back and what happened to the program I dont think it was finished cause it was for about 30 units and i only think about half was done if that. Maybe it was stoped cause of the green goat program but with that up in the air any thing can happen

No the GP9's didnt have anything to do with NRE trade. I meant they got the GP38-2's for SOO yard service since they have surplus SD40-2 with all those GE's that came online in the past few years

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Not those but MPI is offering a new switcher basic off that design but is EPA tier II level with new EMD prime mover.. So far no orders. CP has tired those MPI/EMD GP20 when they were new on the SOO they only took one or two to test, now all of them are on long term lease on UP

MPI's offering a new model? You sure it's not the GP20D/MP20D, of which they've delivered but 10 to Amtrak?

If it is, it's still the same EMD-branded-but-Cat-built 16V prime mover. And even if it wasn't the GP/MP20D, I find it hard to believe that they would use an EMD prime mover since EMD hasn't delivered an 8V-anything since the early 1980ies (MP15T to Dow Chemical).

this was two years back and what happened to the program I dont think it was finished cause it was for about 30 units and i only think about half was done if that. Maybe it was stoped cause of the green goat program but with that up in the air any thing can happen

I know about CPR getting rid of the SD's over the past 10 years or so, but that's more due to the masses of AC44's arriving seemingly daily. There've been a couple of GP's retired, but to me at least it appeared that it was on a case-by-case basis, when a unit required too much work.

No the GP9's didnt have anything to do with NRE trade. I meant they got the GP38-2's for SOO yard service since they have surplus SD40-2 with all those GE's that came online in the past few years

Throwing the SD's into the equation isn't fair, as for the most part they can't be expected to do the same type of work as the GP's.

Dan

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MPI's offering a new model? You sure it's not the GP20D/MP20D, of which they've delivered but 10 to Amtrak?

If it is, it's still the same EMD-branded-but-Cat-built 16V prime mover. And even if it wasn't the GP/MP20D, I find it hard to believe that they would use an EMD prime mover since EMD hasn't delivered an 8V-anything since the early 1980ies (MP15T to Dow Chemical).

I know about CPR getting rid of the SD's over the past 10 years or so, but that's more due to the masses of AC44's arriving seemingly daily. There've been a couple of GP's retired, but to me at least it appeared that it was on a case-by-case basis, when a unit required too much work.

Throwing the SD's into the equation isn't fair, as for the most part they can't be expected to do the same type of work as the GP's.

Dan

Its the same car body as the GP20D/MP20D but new tier II I heard they are offering EMD and Cat prime movers for them. On another note how many SD40-2 is CP left with now since all the wrecked, non DB, used ex UP,KCS,NS and leasers SD40's and SD40-2's are gone (except the MK SD40M-2 that are in yard service) the straight SD40's and the early SD40-2 that had the same trucks as the SD40's

THey needed more GP's so the did the deal with NRE for the surplus SD's ... Does any one have a list what was traded to NRE

On a side Note the Amtrak GP20D's all delivery a year ago?

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Its the same car body as the GP20D/MP20D but new tier II I heard they are offering EMD and Cat prime movers for them.

The Cat prime mover was Tier II compliant already. Thus my confusion in your comments.

On another note how many SD40-2 is CP left with now since all the wrecked, non DB, used ex UP,KCS,NS and leasers SD40's and SD40-2's are gone (except the MK SD40M-2 that are in yard service) the straight SD40's and the early SD40-2 that had the same trucks as the SD40's

Mike would have a better idea than I....but I think it's now fewer than 200.

On a side Note the Amtrak GP20D's all delivery a year ago?

Amtrak never got GP20D's. They recieved MP20D's with a series of low- and modified-clearance modifications. I don't have a delivery date for the first one, but I think it was about a year ago now.

Dan

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The Cat prime mover was Tier II compliant already. Thus my confusion in your comments.

Mike would have a better idea than I....but I think it's now fewer than 200.

Amtrak never got GP20D's. They recieved MP20D's with a series of low- and modified-clearance modifications. I don't have a delivery date for the first one, but I think it was about a year ago now.

Dan

Well I came across this they GP20's were built in 2004 with pics of them in service in 2005

http://yardlimit.railfan.net/mk/gp15/index.html

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The Cat prime mover was Tier II compliant already. Thus my confusion in your comments.

Mike would have a better idea than I....but I think it's now fewer than 200.

Dan

According to a count done in the C-P-R Yahoogroup, as of December 1st 2006 around 370 (give or take ~10). Included are some tied up servicable, the exSOO's, SD40-2F's, and the ones going to Mexico.

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CP has still big numbers of SD40-2's in the 57-, 58-, 59- and 6000 series. The 5400's are all but gone (with the exception of the 549x SD40M-2's and a few others in storage for sale) the 5500 SD40's are all retired, there's a few 5565+ SD40-2's left, the 5600's are undergoing purging, and the 5700 series will be next. Doesn't mean that 58's, 59's and 60's won't be retired as well.

There's about a dozen going to Mexico on lease with an option to buy. Mostly 5600, some 57 and a few 58 series. I don't have the list handy.

The SD60's, of SOO 6000-6020 a few were sold to INRI (Indiana RR) and the rest went to CITX (there was one or two running on CN recently) I've heard SOO 6021+ are all owned by CP.

(FYI in case anyone gets confused, CP 6000's are all SD40-2's and SOO 6000's are all SD60's)

5415, 5494, 5495, 5496, 5497, 5498 are ones that I still see running locally in Calgary.

The contract has been cancelled, and all of the Goats so far delivered to CPR (1700-1704) are going to be returned to the builder. No more are going to be built and delivered to CPR. 1700 has already been sold to Amtrak as 599.

As far as I know NRE didn't get any GP9's for the 7 GP38's. The only GP9's that I know about that were "traded in" were the ones to be turned into Goats. But yes, SOO definately did need the smaller power which is why they bought them.

Dan

Are you sure 1700 was already sold? I am sure I just saw it within the last couple of weeks running here in Calgary!

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5415, 5494, 5495, 5496, 5497, 5498 are ones that I still see running locally in Calgary.

Are you sure 1700 was already sold? I am sure I just saw it within the last couple of weeks running here in Calgary!

It didn't meet CP specifications and was returned to Railpower, who painted and sent it to Amtrak. A new 1700 was supposed to be built, but since the contract was canceled...

1700-1704 were the only ones built as CP. 1705 was built, but outshopped as RPRX 1705. Both 1706/07 are just frames.

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It didn't meet CP specifications and was returned to Railpower, who painted and sent it to Amtrak. A new 1700 was supposed to be built, but since the contract was canceled...

1700-1704 were the only ones built as CP. 1705 was built, but outshopped as RPRX 1705. Both 1706/07 are just frames.

Railpower will not have a problem selling them

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Railpower will not have a problem selling them

You may not think so, but I do...

Railpower reportedly had to pay a bit of a premium to CPR on the cancellation of the contract. Or so the rumour goes.

Another rumour has that they had been underestimating and undervaluing their product....in other words, loosing money on every loco they were selling.

If either of the above is true, than the price for the ex-CPR units are going to be a little bit more expensive than ones they've sold before. And going to be a little less likely to find a home, particularly to a cash-tight shortline or industry.

Dan

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You may not think so, but I do...

Railpower reportedly had to pay a bit of a premium to CPR on the cancellation of the contract. Or so the rumour goes.

Another rumour has that they had been underestimating and undervaluing their product....in other words, loosing money on every loco they were selling.

If either of the above is true, than the price for the ex-CPR units are going to be a little bit more expensive than ones they've sold before. And going to be a little less likely to find a home, particularly to a cash-tight shortline or industry.

Dan

They can offer them to UP for a good deal since UP can get a tax break if they use them in CA or TX

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The green goats are probably going back to Railpower. The 5500 is planned for donation to a RR museum somewhere in the west I think. 5498 is stored servicable, 1158 in an RC hump control unit. Looks like you shot some of the stored servicable/unservicable/retired lineup at Ogden.

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The green goats are probably going back to Railpower. The 5500 is planned for donation to a RR museum somewhere in the west I think. 5498 is stored servicable, 1158 in an RC hump control unit. Looks like you shot some of the stored servicable/unservicable/retired lineup at Ogden.

5606 was 'declared surplus' and retired not too long ago. I had seen that engine 5 or 6 times! :rolleyes:

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