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10 hours ago, 63 Ossington said:

Just another odd spotting; 4048 with a front rollsign in its rear slot. This may may or may not be old, but it was the first time I saw it.

Spotted Thursday morning on the 511.

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There's an ALRV out there with the same thing, not sure if it's retired or not though

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Several CLRV's on St Clair today - was surprised to see them out today. But then again there are a handful of Flexitys out of service including one that was in a collision at Russell Hill on St Clair yesterday. Haven't seen weekend CLRV's on the 512 for a while.

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3 minutes ago, 63 Ossington said:

Several CLRV's on St Clair today - was surprised to see them out today. But then again there are a handful of Flexitys out of service including one that was in a collision at Russell Hill on St Clair yesterday. Haven't seen weekend CLRV's on the 512 for a while.

Well since it's the CNE time, they are now assigning Flexity cars to the 511. Transsee currently reporting all 12 cars on the 511 are Flexitiy cars, and there are extra cars out on 509 too. So that leaves fewer cars available for use on other lines...

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Just now, Articulated said:

Well since it's the CNE time, they are now assigning Flexity cars to the 511. Transsee currently reporting all 12 cars on the 511 are Flexitiy cars, and there are extra cars out on 509 too. So that leaves fewer cars available for use on other lines...

True, I completely forgot about the CNE. That would totally explain it.

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On ‎8‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 4:06 PM, 63 Ossington said:

Several CLRV's on St Clair today - was surprised to see them out today. But then again there are a handful of Flexitys out of service including one that was in a collision at Russell Hill on St Clair yesterday.[…]

The Flexity  involved in the collision at Russell Hill was 4404, but it was repaired quickly, and was back in service five days later, on Aug 22. Also, looking at my data, several Flexities have returned to service in the last couple of days, after having gone missing for up to two weeks. This includes 4403, 4408, 4429, 4434, 4469 & 4485.

The following cars have been missing for a relatively long time and may have issues:

4405 (unexpectedly changed-off on 9-Aug and missing since then)

4407 & 4416 (both changed-off in the early morning of 21-Aug)

4419 (no service since 8-Aug).

4471 & 4478 (flooded at King & Atlantic on 7-Aug)

4481 (last in service on 7-Aug, perhaps damaged in the same flood, as well?)

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4471 & 78 are definitely sidelined for an extended period of time. All the electrical elements on the cars were compromised. Presto hardware has been removed. The two cars are in the deadlane at Leslie Barns. 

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26 minutes ago, bus_7246 said:

4471 & 78 are definitely sidelined for an extended period of time. All the electrical elements on the cars were compromised. Presto hardware has been removed. The two cars are in the deadlane at Leslie Barns. 

Thanks for this. Can you tell us anything about car 4489? At 47 days and counting since delivery, this is the car that is taking the longest to commission by far. What is wrong with it?

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So the damage to 4471 & 4478 appears to be more extensive than it was speculated here in the days immediately after that event.

The article indicates there are four cars sidelined for an extended period of time. Looking at the dispatch data after the flood, 4481 must be one of them, since it hasn't been in service since August 7.

Does anyone know what the fourth one is? (looking at my data, I am inclined to say it is 4419, but it was in service the day after the flood, on August 8, and has been missing since, so I am not sure. On the other hand, all the other Flexity cars appear to have seen service after August 7).

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11 hours ago, ttc rider said:

So the damage to 4471 & 4478 appears to be more extensive than it was speculated here in the days immediately after that event.

Speculated by whom, exactly? Most of us who know anything at all knew that those cars were going to be sidelined for a very long time. The interiors of both of those cars will need to be replaced as a very basic start, which is not an insignificant job.


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16 hours ago, ttc rider said:

Does anyone know what the fourth one is? (looking at my data, I am inclined to say it is 4419, but it was in service the day after the flood, on August 8, and has been missing since, so I am not sure. On the other hand, all the other Flexity cars appear to have seen service after August 7).

It is indeed 4419. See https://twitter.com/TTCStuart/status/1034440378978639873

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14 hours ago, smallspy said:

Speculated by whom, exactly? Most of us who know anything at all knew that those cars were going to be sidelined for a very long time. The interiors of both of those cars will need to be replaced as a very basic start, which is not an insignificant job.


Dan

It is not just the interiors that require complete replacement. The damage goes beyond that and is extensive enough that the cars cannot be repaired in-house and need to be sent back to the manufacturer. Based on the info we now have from the TTC, a lot of electrical components are fried. I imagine the entire cab circuitry and any circuit boards/conduits located under the floor are done and require replacement. While a press article may not be the best source of information, our colleague @bus_7246 who works in maintenance said so himself:

All in all, while critical components on the roof were probably spared, this doesn't seem to me like a situation where "very little mechanical or electrical were affected by flooding", like you suggested in this thread.  It is not just a matter of replacing the interior and pressure-washing the underframe, trucks etc.

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 1:57 PM, smallspy said:

In the case of the streetcars, very little mechanical or electrical would have been affected by flooding as all of the really delicate stuff is mounted in the roof. What is going to cause the greatest amount of downtime is replacing the interior.


Dan

 

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14 hours ago, ttc rider said:

It is not just the interiors that require complete replacement. The damage goes beyond that and is extensive enough that the cars cannot be repaired in-house and need to be sent back to the manufacturer. Based on the info we now have from the TTC, a lot of electrical components are fried. I imagine the entire cab circuitry and any circuit boards/conduits located under the floor are done and require replacement. While a press article may not be the best source of information, our colleague @bus_7246 who works in maintenance said so himself:

All in all, while critical components on the roof were probably spared, this doesn't seem to me like a situation where "very little mechanical or electrical were affected by flooding", like you suggested in this thread.  It is not just a matter of replacing the interior and pressure-washing the underframe, trucks etc.

 

There is virtually nothing electrical under the floors, save for the braking and motors and maybe parts of the sanders.

 

There are control cabinets in the cab behind the operator - apparently they got damaged. But they are low-voltage systems, and not the expensive high-voltage systems in the roofs of the cars. There are circuit boards under the dashboards, but they are only to communicate with the driver. Hell, they powered on one of the cars after removing it from the water, although I highly doubt that it was in any condition to be able to move itself.

 

But again - the vast, vast majority of the work that is necessary to be done to the cars to return them to service, from a manpower and cost standpoint, is in the interiors. The electrical system damage sucks, but at the end of the day all of that stuff is designed to be able to be replaced if necessary. The insulation in the walls and floors of the cars is not.


Here's a bit of an anecdote to help you understand what needs to be done. Remember that GO train that got flooded in the Don Valley a couple of years ago? The lower level of several cars was completely under water up to the ceiling - that means that the whole train was under about 8 feet of water. The delicate locomotive? It was back in service in 2 weeks, after having the traction motors, gearboxes and some of the air system replaced. The first coach didn't re-enter service until almost a year later, as they needed to strip almost the whole car back to the structure to replace stuff that was never really meant to be replaced.

 

Dan

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The beautiful new long-under-construction ROW on The Queensway already has a slow operation zone, at the west end of the bridge before the curve to enter Humber loop.

Also, and quite inexplicably, the platforms at Colborne Lodge Drive don't have any pedestrian signal request buttons. You have to hope that someone on one of the street corners pushes the button....or you can make a dash for it. 🏂

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Overhead damage and disablement still ongoing at St Clair West.. from 3:00 PM (according to the Twitter timestamp). Supposedly EB car 4461 had its pantograph up going into the station and it wrecked the overhead at the EB 512 platform. Powered off, and was coupled up to 4437 which was behind it around 7 ish. 4461 was ditched in the EB throughfare track powered off, fitted with wheel chocks and uncoupled from 4437 shortly after. 4437 is now tracking at Hillcrest, and 4461 still tracking at SCW, waiting time quoted 4 hours.

The line was bypassing the station loop; station service was at Bathurst and Tweedsmuir. Buses were loading at street level with on-street looping.

Photos are of 4461. Not sure how damaged the panto is - looks like it has been tied down.

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7 minutes ago, 63 Ossington said:

Overhead damage and disablement still ongoing at St Clair West.. from 3:00 PM (according to the Twitter timestamp). Supposedly EB car 4461 had its pantograph up going into the station and it wrecked the overhead at the EB 512 platform. Powered off, and was coupled up to 4437 which was behind it around 7 ish. 4461 was ditched in the EB throughfare track powered off, fitted with wheel chocks and uncoupled from 4437 shortly after. 4437 is now tracking at Hillcrest, and 4461 still tracking at SCW, waiting time quoted 4 hours.

The line was bypassing the station loop; station service was at Bathurst and Tweedsmuir. Buses were loading at street level with on-street looping.

Photos are of 4461. Not sure how damaged the panto is - looks like it has been tied down.

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Wasn't there a recent St. Clair shutdown used to convert the overhead in the station to new style for the changeover to pans this fall?!

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28 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said:

Wasn't there a recent St. Clair shutdown used to convert the overhead in the station to new style for the changeover to pans this fall?!

It has been nightly weekday shutdowns after midnight since April, and supposedly it's supposedly behind schedule and not complete (despite tomorrow scheduled as being the last day of work before panto operation)

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13 hours ago, Ed T. said:

The beautiful new long-under-construction ROW on The Queensway already has a slow operation zone, at the west end of the bridge before the curve to enter Humber loop.

Good to see the TTC's mission of perpetually slowing down streetcar service down even more is going well. Is there an actually a legitimate reason as to why there's a speed restriction in that area now? It makes sense that streetcars would have to slow down before entering that curve, but there's no need to institute a speed restriction along a good stretch of that area..

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9 hours ago, lip said:

Is there an actually a legitimate reason as to why there's a speed restriction in that area now?

There's a wet or dark looking joint in the concrete where the downslope from the bridge ends and level track begins. I suppose that could be the issue.

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