smallspy Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, TTCOpITM said: I don’t think they’d ever make streetcars loop at Leslie. The reason is, they’d all have to operate through Leslie Yard if they were looping there. Due to the special switches in the yard and the fact that they are operated by the yard controller, it would be chaos for every streetcar entering the yard to report to yard control before they can enter the yard and make certain that their route through the yard is properly set. The other issue is that the operators don't operate the cars in the yard - they give them to shedmen to do it, much as they do in the subway yards. This is also the reason why the TTC avoids at all costs any short turns involving Greenwood Yard. Dan Link to post Share on other sites
Ed T. Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, smallspy said: The other issue is that the operators don't operate the cars in the yard - they give them to shedmen to do it, much as they do in the subway yards. Streetcars going out of service certainly entered Roncesvalles under the control of their operator, and they leave going into service under the control of the operator. I think I've also seen them short turn in the yard for whatever reason. Link to post Share on other sites
smallspy Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Ed T. said: Streetcars going out of service certainly entered Roncesvalles under the control of their operator, and they leave going into service under the control of the operator. I think I've also seen them short turn in the yard for whatever reason. I was referring specifically to Leslie. Russell and Roncesvalles operate under the same rules as before. Dan Link to post Share on other sites
nfitz Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, smallspy said: This is also the reason why the TTC avoids at all costs any short turns involving Greenwood Yard. Cars were all turning left on Connaught (heading west). Is there a way of turning back east without entering the yard? If same in both, then not sure why they were choosing to turn at Connaught instead of Leslie. Especially in an absence of shuttle buses. Link to post Share on other sites
WoodbineSecondExit Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 hours ago, nfitz said: That's unfortunate they didn't design it so there was an easy way to loop. Especially given the lack of shuttle buses yesterday! They had bus shuttles running yesterday. I'm not sure how service was disrupted for hours because of one "downed wire" and if it was Degrassi it's not the first time there's been trouble there. Today due to a collision somewhere along the line, the entire eastern half of the 501 and 504 were shut down in the morning for the second day in a row. Link to post Share on other sites
nfitz Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: They had bus shuttles running yesterday. I'm not sure how service was disrupted for hours because of one "downed wire" and if it was Degrassi it's not the first time there's been trouble there. Today due to a collision somewhere along the line, the entire eastern half of the 501 and 504 were shut down in the morning for the second day in a row. I saw one or two buses heading eastbound. But I walked over 2 km westbound from Woodfield to Carlaw, without seeing one - despite there being something heading east at Woodfield! And there were a lot of people already waiting at Woodfield when we got booted off there, so I was concerned that I'd be able to squeeze on a bus, if one came. The incident was 45-minutes old (and probably longer given that the alerts take a while) when I got to Woodfield! Looking at the TTC alerts, today's 501/504 issues were reported clear 4 minutes after the first alert. It was 2 hours 45 minutes yesterday from 9:52 AM to 12:37 PM! Link to post Share on other sites
smallspy Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, nfitz said: Cars were all turning left on Connaught (heading west). Is there a way of turning back east without entering the yard? From the west (eastbound), a car can turn without running through the yard. From the east (westbound) however, cars have to operate through a track left open through the yard, usually track 12. But again, the rules for operating into and out of Russell and Roncy are different than at Leslie, and regular crews can operate through the two of them. 2 hours ago, nfitz said: If same in both, then not sure why they were choosing to turn at Connaught instead of Leslie. Especially in an absence of shuttle buses. Again, regular crews are not allowed to operate in Leslie Yard. Thus running short-turns through there would be an added complication. Dan Link to post Share on other sites
dowlingm Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Coxwell loop appears to be unavailable at present - there was some sort of construction going on when I was nearby on Sunday but was unable to stop for pictures Link to post Share on other sites
WoodbineSecondExit Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 hours ago, dowlingm said: Coxwell loop appears to be unavailable at present - there was some sort of construction going on when I was nearby on Sunday but was unable to stop for pictures Does that really matter at this time when the only route that can use that loop is being served by buses? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
dowlingm Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, WoodbineSecondExit said: Does that really matter at this time when the only route that can use that loop is being served by buses? Ah - I have never looked that hard at Coxwell loop’s layout so I assumed Queen cars could use it. My mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
skyfirenet Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, dowlingm said: Ah - I have never looked that hard at Coxwell loop’s layout so I assumed Queen cars could use it. My mistake. I don't think it's possible for the loop to connect to Queen without making the curve radius worse. https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.6664225,-79.3162558,3a,60y,284.59h,73.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqOdWdCn6UrNr9YughoX2bQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ttc rider Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/5/2018 at 12:39 AM, Tom1122 said: I wonder if 4408 will be one of the first cars to go back to fix the welding problems since it's out of service anyway? 4408 was damaged in a collision. Bombardier is recalling the first 67 cars in order to fix a manufacturing defect. Unless car 4408 was so severely damaged that it cannot be repaired by the TTC in Toronto (which I doubt is the case), I see no reason why Bombardier would be responsible for performing an unscheduled repair as a result of an accident that had nothing to do with the welding defect in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
skyfirenet Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 hours ago, ttc rider said: 4408 was damaged in a collision. Bombardier is recalling the first 67 cars in order to fix a manufacturing defect. Unless car 4408 was so severely damaged that it cannot be repaired by the TTC in Toronto (which I doubt is the case), I see no reason why Bombardier would be responsible for performing an unscheduled repair as a result of an accident that had nothing to do with the welding defect in the first place. Or the TTC would complete the repairs and then send it to Bombardier. Link to post Share on other sites
TTCOpITM Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 hours ago, ttc rider said: 4408 was damaged in a collision. Bombardier is recalling the first 67 cars in order to fix a manufacturing defect. Unless car 4408 was so severely damaged that it cannot be repaired by the TTC in Toronto (which I doubt is the case), I see no reason why Bombardier would be responsible for performing an unscheduled repair as a result of an accident that had nothing to do with the welding defect in the first place. 18 minutes ago, skyfirenet said: Or the TTC would complete the repairs and then send it to Bombardier. It appears as though the repairs are complete. Spotted it at the Leslie Barns today and it looks like nothing happened to it. Link to post Share on other sites
ttc rider Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 10:47 PM, TTCOpITM said: It appears as though the repairs are complete. Spotted it at the Leslie Barns today and it looks like nothing happened to it. Thanks for the info! Even though two more weeks have passed since your post, it was only today that car 4408 returned to service, after a record 32-day absence. This is the longest continuous downtime for any of the Flexity cars so far, surpassing the previous record of 29 days out of service for car 4413 after a collision more than two years ago, on July 26, 2016. Link to post Share on other sites
Xtrazsteve Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Poor 4471. Looks like a major repair bill if it's not a write off. They usually retire flooded automobiles. Does that apply for streetcars too? Link to post Share on other sites
Transit_Hub Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said: Poor 4471. Looks like a major repair bill if it's not a write off. They usually retire flooded automobiles. Does that apply for streetcars too? Interested to know also what's gonna happen also. another Flexity appears to be stuck in the water behind 4471. According to Sammdot it's 4478, it's not that deep in the water from the images i'm seeing so it should be easier to repair or even fine. Image from the aftermath. Link to post Share on other sites
Witenite Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Someone is going to be in trouble. Link to post Share on other sites
jmenard-cc Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Transit_Hub said: Interested to know also what's gonna happen also. another Flexity appears to be stuck in the water behind 4471. According to Sammdot it's 4478, it's not that deep in the water from the images i'm seeing so it should be easier to repair or even fine. Image from the aftermath. Most of the critical equipment is on the roof so they should be fine for the most part. Just gotta take them into Leslie and tear them apart to repair the water damage. They'll have to drop the bogies too to make sure everything dries out properly. Link to post Share on other sites
Xtrazsteve Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, jmenard-cc said: Most of the critical equipment is on the roof so they should be fine for the most part. Just gotta take them into Leslie and tear them apart to repair the water damage. They'll have to drop the bogies too to make sure everything dries out properly. Good thing LF cars have equipment on top. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jmenard-cc Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, Xtrazsteve said: Good thing it's a LF car Yeah if it was a CLRV/ALRV it wouldn't be worth the effort to repair Link to post Share on other sites
Xtrazsteve Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Transit_Hub said: Interested to know also what's gonna happen also. another Flexity appears to be stuck in the water behind 4471. According to Sammdot it's 4478, it's not that deep in the water from the images i'm seeing so it should be easier to repair or even fine. Image from the aftermath. It seems like 4478 got a good dip too. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom1122 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 10 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said: Poor 4471. Looks like a major repair bill if it's not a write off. They usually retire flooded automobiles. Does that apply for streetcars too? How does it compare to the GO train that got caught in the Don River Valley back in 2013? Link to post Share on other sites
Transit geek Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Tom1122 said: How does it compare to the GO train that got caught in the Don River Valley back in 2013? Well a push-pull train is different from a self-propelled unit. The loco might need heavy equipment repair but the passenger carriages just need to be dried out. Link to post Share on other sites
ttc rider Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Yesterday was a bad day for the Flexity fleet. In addition to cars 4471 & 4478 which ended up being flooded at King & Atlantic, car 4425 was involved in a collision at Bathurst & Fleet just before 8 PM. No word yet on the extent of damage to that car. Link to post Share on other sites
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