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On 6/18/2016 at 9:03 PM, drum118 said:

Say farewell to 4401 as it gets ship to Thunder Bay when 4402 gets here. 4401 D sections well/suppose be replace with the rebuilt D sections from 4402.

No word what car number will be at this time that will arrive pan only. Strong feeling from various personnel, they want the pole gone as soon as they can off the new cars.

The D module from 4402 will not necessarily be used on 4401. 

All cars are to be built with pole / panto combination. It will be many moons before the whole system has the overhead updated. 

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In other, marginally related news, the 508 route page appears to have been taken down from the site. I presume that they feel that King is sufficiently served by the 504 and 514 that they no longer feel its existence is necessary. Not really surprising.

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13 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Just because the 509 and 510 used 50's range number for Flexity doesn't mean this applies to every route. The TTC does this when multiple routes overlap. With different run numbers, the supervisors can monitor multiple routes without conflict. The 504 has run numbers going up to 47. 514 has run numbers from 50-60 on a weekday.

Well, what's really happening out there today is that the runs are numbered from 50 to 60.  There are two vehicles on run 52 - 4421 and 4163

Meanwhile on 509, the runs seem to be numbered from 1 to 7, with 4419 on Run 1

I'm guessing the only reason that 514 doesn't start from 1, as they are keeping a separate range from 504, which seems to range from 1 to 47 currently.
 

1 hour ago, PCC Guy said:

In other, marginally related news, the 508 route page appears to have been taken down from the site. I presume that they feel that King is sufficiently served by the 504 and 514 that they no longer feel its existence is necessary. Not really surprising.

So if official, then the new 1.1 km of scheduled service on Dufferin and Sumach/Cherry is discounted by the 1.3 km of Parliament and Church where there is no longer any scheduled service. 

Though I guess the former is 2-directional, and the latter still certainly sees a lot of vehicles short-turning and diverting - including a very convenient 506 service on Parliament for the next few months!

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14 minutes ago, nfitz said:

So if official, then the new 1.1 km of scheduled service on Dufferin and Sumach/Cherry is discounted by the 1.3 km of Parliament and Church where there is no longer any scheduled service. 

 

Though I guess the former is 2-directional, and the latter still certainly sees a lot of vehicles short-turning and diverting - including a very convenient 506 service on Parliament for the next few months!

It's not like 508 was a real service. On paper, sure but we all know how the 508 operates. 

TTC would need to think twice before restoring it. First, they need to figure out how to keep the 501 on time if they were merge together again. Then they need to make sure all trips are fulfilled. Eventually I expect the 508 would just become the Waterfront West LRT. There's no point of keeping it on King once that's built.

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Oh, i agree. Surely most would jump on first thing that's coming, and just change somewhere.  508 just doesn't make sense.

And personally, I think either one of 502/503 should go.  With 514, perhaps 503 is now surplus.  But it does provide some service down Weillington that's useful.  How well used is it in PM rush, I don't go any further into town that Jarvis?

And 502 does provide additional service along Queen East from the Don to McCaul ...

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8 hours ago, LilRedDave said:

The D module from 4402 will not necessarily be used on 4401. 

All cars are to be built with pole / panto combination. It will be many moons before the whole system has the overhead updated. 

I was told the 4402 D section was to be used on 4401 by the person who should know best, but things do keep changing.

Only 60 cars are to have poles on them and that will not happen until next year if things stick to the plan. Most of the routes getting the new cars with pans only to/from routes they are on as well detour lines are to be done by year end to allow the start the use of pans by year end.

The cars with pans only will be assign to 509, 510, 514 first, with the pole cars being move to other routes until they are fully pan ready. 511 & 512 are already for pans now.

Even though it means extra transfering from/to the Long Branch Car, I would leave it as is, as it works a lot better and I have yet had to wait for an Eastbound Queen Car at Humber.

How long 4401 will be gone is a good question and it shouldn't be a year like 4402.

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Because the route has been running legacy cars this week, the 514 didn't have any rollsigns of their own just yet so I took the liberty to create these myself:

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3 hours ago, nfitz said:

  How well used is it in PM rush, I don't go any further into town that Jarvis?

 

To add to this question, how is the traffic from Wellington/York to King/Broadview in PM rush? I'm going to be in town this week and I will need to get between these points in a reasonable amount of time on the 503.

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2 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

 

To add to this question, how is the traffic from Wellington/York to King/Broadview in PM rush? I'm going to be in town this week and I will need to get between these points in a reasonable amount of time on the 503.

Just watch them on nextbus during 5pm. You'll have your answer. I'll reserve at least 20 minutes to be safe.

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30 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Just watch them on nextbus during 5pm. You'll have your answer. I'll reserve at least 20 minutes to be safe.

The big problem, is the 503 is very sporadic. Even bustituted, it wasn't unusual to see a pack of 3, and then half-an-hour to the next one.

 

If there's nothing in sight, best to walk up to King and catch a 504.  Certainly once you get to Jarvis, it's clear sailing to Broadview, even at PM peak. I really can't speak to west of there - though it's fine when I take it earlier in the day.

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4 hours ago, 21 Brimley said:

Because the route has been running legacy cars this week, the 514 didn't have any rollsigns of their own just yet so I took the liberty to create these myself:

514Rollsign.png

It's a streetcar route. Don't forget the short turns. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Just watch them on nextbus during 5pm. You'll have your answer. I'll reserve at least 20 minutes to be safe.

I tried to do that today, but the 5:19 PM car's GPS signal got lost for about ~10 minutes near Wellington and Bay, and the tracker glitched out while the car that was supposed to be the 5:30 PM departure was at King and Jarvis, and when I fixed it it was at Queen and Broadview, and I forgot to record the times for either, so ho-hum. :lol:

1 hour ago, nfitz said:

The big problem, is the 503 is very sporadic. Even bustituted, it wasn't unusual to see a pack of 3, and then half-an-hour to the next one.

 

If there's nothing in sight, best to walk up to King and catch a 504.  Certainly once you get to Jarvis, it's clear sailing to Broadview, even at PM peak. I really can't speak to west of there - though it's fine when I take it earlier in the day.

The 504 will probably be decently suitable, I just wanted to try out the 503 since I've never ridden it before and it would be a novelty. Good thing we have the trackers these days. :)

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I don't even remember when I taken the 503 last. The most memorable time was taking it with an Malvern Orion V that looped on the east side of VP while Bingham loop was being redone. Yet that loop still needs a new accessible platform.

Take the 504 if you have to. Sometimes, the 503 never shows up when you want it.

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9 hours ago, nfitz said:

And personally, I think either one of 502/503 should go.  With 514, perhaps 503 is now surplus.  But it does provide some service down Weillington that's useful.  How well used is it in PM rush, I don't go any further into town that Jarvis?

 

And 502 does provide additional service along Queen East from the Don to McCaul ...

When I was driving the 502, there was a lot of dedicated riders that asked for and waited for the 503. It is a useful route and should not be removed.

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3 hours ago, sammi said:

It's a streetcar route. Don't forget the short turns. :lol:

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BTW, it's not 514 DUFFERIN, it should be DUFFERIN GATE VIA KING (official TTC name) to indicate it goes to the EX. Also should be 514 DISTILLERY VIA KING

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Just a few photos from the 514.

Eastbound King/Sumach is quite the chokepoint. The last car in this 5 pack was 4160, and it took it about 6 minutes to get through the intersection. It didn't end there, though, as more and more eastbound cars caught up and replaced each car that managed to clear the intersection. When I left then there were at least 4 cars, including 4407, still idling between Sumach and Sackville.

27610049860_78ea945e43_c.jpgToronto Transit Commission 4038 - 01 by Andrew P., on Flickr

4016 is the worst looking CLRV I have ever seen.
27888053985_e8bd28a75c_c.jpgToronto Transit Commission 4016 - 02 by Andrew P., on Flickr

It turns out a 514 sign did get created after all :o
27888046885_c7a1d81817_c.jpgToronto Transit Commission 4027 - 02 by Andrew P., on Flickr

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1 hour ago, PCC Guy said:

Hmm, not according to this page:

http://www.rollsigngallery.com/009-Toronto/Streetcar/page009-TOON-Streetcar2.html

I wonder if they spliced in the new exposure into the existing signs or 86'ed one of the existing ones (taping over the 508? 521?)

They never got new rollsign a specifically for the 514. If they did, they wouldn't need the short turn flaps for the makeshift 514 exposure.

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I know they didn't. I speculated that they either added new exposures to the ends of the existing rollsigns, like they did with the 508 & 510 back in 1997, or they taped over one of the obsolete designations, like what they did in New York when the 7 line extension opened - this was before the R62As were removed from there all together, so they created a new exposure for 34th St/Hudson Yards and taped it over the Times Square exposure.

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17 hours ago, PCC Guy said:

It turns out a 514 sign did get created after all :o

27888046885_c7a1d81817_c.jpgToronto Transit Commission 4027 - 02 by Andrew P., on Flickr

4027 is the only car left with the old font. 501 is redone and 510, 513-515 were added to its rollsign for "future requirements", retaining the original blue background on the blue night routes (301, 304, 306, 312 & 317). Pretty much all the cars recieved new rear rollsigns in '99 with the addition of the 508, 510 & back then 509 as these routes were created. 

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6 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

4027 is the only car left with the old font. 501 is redone and 510, 513-515 were added to its rollsign for "future requirements", retaining the original blue background on the blue night routes (301, 304, 306, 312 & 317). Pretty much all the cars recieved new rear rollsigns in '99 with the addition of the 508, 510 & back then 509 as these routes were created. 

To add,  4027 and 4113 are the only cars that have 513, 514, and 515 added to the rear. 4053 also did as well, until recently.  317 was originally the Spadina night bus and wouldn't have been on the streetcar roll signs.

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9 hours ago, CLRV4037 said:

To add,  4027 and 4113 are the only cars that have 513, 514, and 515 added to the rear. 4053 also did as well, until recently.  317 was originally the Spadina night bus and wouldn't have been on the streetcar roll signs.

My mistake hahaha. I forgot midway through my post that the 317 Spadina Blue Night was a bus. 

 

Completely off topic, but would anyone be able to find a pic of a bus on the original 317 route?

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