smallspy Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Simply put, how long of a trailer will you need to haul a flexity in one move? If you have to break one up into its segments for shipping, then what's the point of shipping the whole car? Well, as we saw with 4400 when it was delivered the first time, you need an extendable flat-deck capable of being stretched to almost 100 feet. And a police escort. But going back the question at hand, the cars aren't designed to be broken down, at least not easily. You may be on to something in the sense that once Leslie opens that they are quite capable of removing modules and replacing them, as it's a purpose-built facility for the cars - but Leslie is still over 12 months away from opening. 4401 and 4402 will likely be modified by then. If they are, it's not so they can be trucked from Thunder Bay. Presumably there's a contingency for something in the future, post-Hillcrest. I suspect that it's also for the event that a unit gets so mangled in a collision that it's not capable of moving on its own trucks. Like you said, future contingency. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Presumably there's a contingency for something in the future, post-Hillcrest. I'd buy the post-Hillcrest argument more if it were to have the option of being upgraded to handle rail deliveries; especially since Byford keeps talking about purchasing more streetcars which would be delivered after Leslie opens. At its current location, it can't. However, Dan is probably correct in that its primary role is to handle cars too mangled in a collision to make it back without using a flatbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 However, Dan is probably correct in that its primary role is to handle cars too mangled in a collision to make it back without using a flatbed. Indeed. You might call it a post-Hillcrest contingency or something ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molybdenum Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 The issue stemmed from ramp deployment to the street. With the original design of the module, it was felt by ACAT's testers that the ramp was too steep to be able to negotiate it in less than ideal conditions. There was also a concern about the difference in angle between the floor of the module and the ramp. Dan It was actually ramp deployment to platforms in addition to the door threshold problem you mentioned. They have moved the joint in the middle of the ramp, making the "short" ramp to the platforms about 100mm longer to decrease the slope to platforms.To decrease the slope down to the street would require making the "long" ramp longer, which hasn't happened. To address the on-street issues, Operators will be required to assist wheelchair users up the ramp if requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Indeed. You might call it a post-Hillcrest contingency or something ... The spur line is not that far from the new street car barn. If they could create a street running section to the barns for delivery then they could be delivered that way after Hilcrest is no longer used. What about the transit city (Or whatever we call it now) cars? They are standard gauge, how will they be delivered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 The spur line is not that far from the new street car barn. If they could create a street running section to the barns for delivery then they could be delivered that way after Hilcrest is no longer used. That depends on whether that spur will continue to be there after Hilcrest closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 That depends on whether that spur will continue to be there after Hilcrest closes. Even if all streetcar operations leave Hillcrest, it's still a bus repair facility. They could take everything else away, and leave the load/unload facility, and some connecting track to Bathurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Even if all streetcar operations leave Hillcrest, it's still a bus repair facility. They could take everything else away, and leave the load/unload facility, and some connecting track to Bathurst. I was referring to the spur near Leslie Barns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 I was referring to the spur near Leslie Barns. I know you were. The continued existence of that spur doesn't stop the continued use of Hillcrest for loading/unloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Forgot to post about this, but 4403 was out doing testing on Lakeshore @ Kipling on Friday night. The new external stop announcements sound excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcbusdude Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 4401 was testing today on Queen 4402 were testing today on King. The sign displays NOT IN SERVICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed T. Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Forgot to post about this, but 4403 was out doing testing on Lakeshore @ Kipling on Friday night. The new external stop announcements sound excellent Huh. I would figure that most people standing at Lake Shore and Kipling know where they are. I would propose the following announcement: "Hi! I'm the Queen car you've been waiting for! Better squeeze aboard, the next one will be short-turned for sure!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambala Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 4401 was testing today on Queen 4402 were testing today on King. The sign displays NOT IN SERVICE. Really? It would stand to reason, if they are testing, they are not in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 ICYMI, the strike at the Thunder Bay plant is looking like trench warfare; both sides with heels dug in for a long strike. Wonder how bad this will affect deliveries. Bombardier strike could delay Toronto streetcar delivery - CBC, July 16 Why the stakes are high at Bombardier’s strike-bound Thunder Bay plant - Toronto Star (Business/Economy), July 18 Bombardier, Unifor head to court Wednesday over picketing rules - CBC, July 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Huh. I would figure that most people standing at Lake Shore and Kipling know where they are. I'd assume that the outside speakers are to indicate to someone who is blind what route has just arrived, and where it is going, now that the driver won't be able to shout out the door. I'd guess that they haven't programmed this yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'd assume that the outside speakers are to indicate to someone who is blind what route has just arrived, and where it is going, now that the driver won't be able to shout out the door. I'd guess that they haven't programmed this yet. You hit the nail on the head. I dont know if its fully programmed yet, but when I saw 4403 they switched the destination sign from Not in Service to 501 Queen for a brief instant. The doors opened (however not a streetcar stop) and the announcement said "501 Queen....to Neville Park". Its very similar to MiWay's announcements if anyone has ever heard those before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowlingm Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 A friend posted this overhead shot of a 440x - while I knew a lot of gear shifted to the roof in the Flexity I didn't think it would be quite so exposed: http://instagram.com/p/rLJUL5zX1g/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAmissions1 Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 I was tweeting the @StreetcarTO Twitter account and I got the details on when the first streetcar will be rolled out. It is August 31, 10 AM at Spadina Station where the "streetcar platform" is within the fare-paid area of the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 A friend posted this overhead shot of a 440x - while I knew a lot of gear shifted to the roof in the Flexity I didn't think it would be quite so exposed: http://instagram.com/p/rLJUL5zX1g/ It would be dumb to cover it. The equipment up there is all weatherproof - why make it harder to access? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 It would be dumb to cover it. The equipment up there is all weatherproof - why make it harder to access? Dan The only reason which would make any sense is to prevent snow/ice buildup. However, if that was an actual issue, they would have installed some sort of cover for the equipment already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 The only reason which would make any sense is to prevent snow/ice buildup. However, if that was an actual issue, they would have installed some sort of cover for the equipment already. If it was an issue in any of the other northern climate cities, than they would have covered the equipment on their cars too. But they haven't, and they don't. Don't think that these cars are being built in a vacuum. Almost everything is off of the shelf, and is being based on experienced gained elsewhere. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 The question is how do you build a cover? The roof is designed to hold all the heavy equipment and can stand heavy weights. If they built a cover on top of it, snow will still build up on the cover oppose to the equipment. If you think the snowfall would be that bad, think for the cars first. Wouldn't car roofs collapse first before these Flexities have a snow buildup problem? It also takes time removing and installing the covers during maintenance which is why they don't have a cover in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 If you think the snowfall would be that bad, think for the cars first. Wouldn't car roofs collapse first before these Flexities have a snow buildup problem? It wouldn't be the weight of the snow that would be the issue, but the snow melting and refreezing which would interfere with the equipment on the roof. I'm well aware that they are as off the shelf as anything using TTC gauge can be. However, I'm unaware of how many places in the world using Flexitys that have terminals like Union and Spadina which would worsen any thaw-freeze cycle. That's why I said snow/ice buildup is the only thing that would justify a cover for the equipment on the roof if they had implemented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 I believe they put the streetcar through all sorts of conditions and made sure that wouldn't be a problem. The equipment would be warm anyways. Even if it doesn't go through a tunnel, they will still melt and freeze. Problem after a decade problems like fail solder joints would be more of a issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I believe they put the streetcar through all sorts of conditions and made sure that wouldn't be a problem. Hence my original comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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