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I've had one "chocolate" incident since starting at the TTC. Us in Scarlem need to stay warm one way or another. Fire up the kerosene heater!

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1 minute ago, Someguy3071 said:

It's even worse on the streetcars with no A/C. 

Well good to know, the lady at the info said 90% of whoever moved on would be going to Bus, but you never know she might have been fibbing 

 

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Just now, Bus_Medic said:

I just love it when I have to get on my knees to fix the seat switch wiring.....LOVE IT!!!

Lovely, and to think some people have a seat sniffing fetish  

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Just now, NovaBus76 said:

Lovely, and to think some people have a seat sniffing fetish  

I mean, what's the worst that can happen, right?

1 minute ago, NovaBus76 said:

Lovely, and to think some people have a seat sniffing fetish  

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On 2/9/2019 at 9:13 PM, 7575 said:

I've had one "chocolate" incident since starting at the TTC. Us in Scarlem need to stay warm one way or another. Fire up the kerosene heater!

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On 2/9/2019 at 8:25 PM, 7575 said:

Are you sure you're not a foamer? Well after this solution, you will be a train foamer and a memory foamer.

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Dead. 😂

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7 hours ago, Ultimate said:

Streetcar on the 501 has derailed 

 

So has this board...

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Flexity cars 4461 & 4480 were both out for a spin tonight.

4461 has not seen service since the collision at Fleet & Bastion on Jan. 22 and 4480 since it derailed at Lake Shore & Kipling on Jan. 30.

Both will likely be in service tomorrow morning.

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54 minutes ago, NoUse4AName said:

Fire: As per the Toronto police facebook page 
Dundas St/ DVP
- Fire on a streetcar
- occupants have been evacuated
- reportedly an electrical fire
- no injuries

Car 4106.

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I will put this here and it could go into any other thread if needed.

For those who don't know this, but in 2008, an EA approval was given by all levels to expand TTC Union Station Loop as well built the east extension for Queens Quay to Parliament St as Phase I, with Phase II going to Cherry St. TTC was short $250 million to help built these expansion and has climb to $400 million since then. It has been sitting on the shelve since then due to lack of funding and no support by the mayos since 2010.

In 2016, Council requested a full review of all transit plans going back to the 90's for the waterfront from Long Branch Loop to Victoria Park.

In 2018, that review was completed with a few changes and submitted back to the city. Those changes saw all approved EA staying on the table and to be put into the new official transportation plan changes. The Brenner LRT Line was removed which was not approved EA yet. It was recommended that Fleet St be close to Traffic at Bathurst intersection to allow the Bathurst tracks south of Fort York to be move to the west side in its own ROW as well south of the Lake Shore. The rest of QQ that still in the centre to be moved south as well to match the exiting line to the east.

In 2007 during the EA process, various options were looked at and saw the removal of a people mover that would replace the streetcars from Union to QQ right from the start. TTC saw 10,000 riders at peak time by 2030 for all lines as well a line that would bypass the loop as an e-w line only.

In the fall of 2018, the city asked for a full comparison between a people mover and expanding the existing loop. 

In January that review was done, but a lot of missing info was still needed. The current cost to rebuilt QQE like the west along the Union Loop work is between $550-$600 million with no time line when it will happen nor how long Union Loop would be out of service. What every plan is chosen, work will be done on the QQE and the tunneling of the new LRT up to the existing portal. Once that is completed, buses will replace streetcars to rebuilt the existing portal to have e-w connection and a T junction if streetcars are still to use the existing revamp loop. This will allow to get streetcars back into service sooner than later.

If the people mover is to replace streetcars, a new Bay station will be built on QQ, with the people mover being under the existing portal. People mover are to show up every 45-60 seconds as a 3 section unit on cable using both tunnel. TTC has said it will handle 5,000 per hour and about the same for TTC new streetcar ridership. TTC have shot themselves in the foot or thes numbers considering the density is now 7 times higher than the EA and climbing.

I never supported the plan expansion for the loop in 2007 since it was only good until 2020 and will never support ridership once the waterfront is fully built, but the only option on the table today. Time to build it. What is every chosen, its in the city 10 year budget at this time.

You can see and have your say at a public meeting in March on what is plan for Union Loop.

Date: Monday, March 4, 2019
Time: 6:30 P.M. to 8:00 P.M. (presentation at 7:00 P.M.)
Location: Brigantine Room and Marilyn Brewer Community Space, Harbourfront Centre (235 Queens Quay West)

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4 minutes ago, Shaun said:

I thought the loop cannot be expanded due to the fact that the station surrounds the loop. 

From Steve Munro's site:
unionloopdetailc.jpgI thought there were some discussions with the CIBC Square development to incorporate an expanded streetcar loop as well?

As for the cost of converting the Queens Quay portal into a wye, couldn't they avoid that cost by using an on-street routing?  Run up York St and then east along Harbour (likely taking over the bike lanes, wonder if they could they coexist?) and then back down to Queens Quay east of Yonge St.  The segment east of Bay would probably require shifting traffic north and reclaiming a lane from the widened sidewalk in front of the Pinnacle condos.  It'd complicate the York & Queens Quay intersection with all of the traffic light phases, but it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than the alternative which also includes tunneling under Queens Quay to a portal around Coopers due to some other infrastructure buried at Yonge St.

The bike lane on Harbour is about the same width as the ROW on Queens Quay.  Plus it'd allow for through-routing along Queens Quay East and West and provide an alternate route if the tunnel is/needs to be shut down.  Hopefully the reconfigured Cherry/Lake Shore/Queens Quay intersection is done by the time the tracks make it that far east to provide another connection to the rest of the network.

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There is a major sewage trunk line at Yonge that the QQE must go under. All other options were looked at, but cost was too high. There was a proposal to have a new loop station under CIBC, but Metrolinx was against it. The line would have been tunnel under Yonge St.

During the excavation of CIBC, the east platform area was dug out.

The loop plan is out dated as there is a double cross in the centre area for both platforms. One side could be use to off load and the other for loading. The other option would have the east line use one side for loading and off loading while the other for 509 and 510.

Cherry St extension will run almost straight south of the current loop on a new Cherry St road, with the current one being remove. The new Cherry St bridge is to be built around 2020-21 once the land fill is done to support the new piers. The earliest you will see streetcars going south is about 2030 after the new mouth of the Don is built. 

Plans call for relocating the current Parliament St as a true north south road south of the rail corridor and QQE will continue straight to Cherry St.

Background

The existing underground streetcar loop at Union Station and connecting tunnel to Queens Quay, constructed in 1990, is inadequate to serve current and future transit ridership needs. The loop accommodates a single narrow platform for alighting and a second for boarding, but both are served by the same single track. A streetcar loop expansion concept at Union Station was approved in 2010 as part of the East Bayfront Transit EA, but has remained as an unfunded project.

In January 2018, as part of approval of the Waterfront Transit Network Plan, City Council directed staff to undertake a focused feasibility study for transit options to link Union Station to the existing and approved light rail transit lines west and east along Queens Quay respectively.
A consultant team (led by Arup Canada) is assisting the City with the focused feasibility study (Union Station - Queens Quay Transit Link Study). The study, as per previous work on the Waterfront Transit "Reset" Network Plan, is a partnership including the City, TTC, and Waterfront Toronto.

Options Overview

Options to expand or repurpose the approximately 540 metre underground streetcar tunnel and stations between Union Station and Queens Quay and Bay Street have been narrowed down to the following:
 

  • Streetcar Loop Expansion: Expansion of the existing streetcar loop terminal at Union Station allowing increased capacity and future streetcar service both east and west of Bay Street along Queens Quay to route through Union Station (essentially the EA-approved concept with some modification to infrastructure and service plans). The current option includes:
  • 4 streetcar platforms at Union Station, two each on either side of the loop, including bypass tracks for all platforms, and allowing separation for boarding and alighting;
  • Some expansion of the existing Queens Quay/Ferry Docks Station to allow double berthing of streetcars;
  • Underground streetcar track connection to Queens Quay East with portal to surface either east or west of Yonge Street;

For more information, visit toronto.ca/waterfronttransit or email waterfronttransit@toronto.ca

  • Underground east-west through track at Queens Quay and Bay Street to allow flexibility for future streetcar service bypass of Union Station;
  • Improved passenger connectivity to adjacent transit, developments, and public realm at the Union Station and Queens Quay/Ferry Docks Station.

Automated People Mover (APM) Option: Repurposing of the existing streetcar tunnel and stations under Bay Street with driverless, cable propelled vehicular system connecting Union Station to an east-west LRT along Queens Quay. The current option includes:

  • Separate, individually propelled, automated systems within each bore of the existing tunnel under Bay Street;
  • 3 platforms at both Union Station and Queens Quay/Bay Station; a common central platform to facilitate boarding to each vehicle/track and side platforms to facilitate alighting from each vehicle/track
  • A new east-west streetcar station (60m platforms) underground at Queens Quay and Bay Street where riders can transfer underground between the streetcar service and the people mover vehicles;
  • Streetcar portal on Queens Quay East to surface either east or west of Yonge Street;
  • Improved passenger connectivity to adjacent transit, developments, and public realm at the Union Station and Queens Quay/Ferry Docks Station.

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18 hours ago, Gil said:

From Steve Munro's site:
unionloopdetailc.jpgI thought there were some discussions with the CIBC Square development to incorporate an expanded streetcar loop as well?

There is a space that has been built into the CIBC Square building to allow for construction of the east side of the expanded loop, yes.

 

18 hours ago, Gil said:

As for the cost of converting the Queens Quay portal into a wye, couldn't they avoid that cost by using an on-street routing?  Run up York St and then east along Harbour (likely taking over the bike lanes, wonder if they could they coexist?) and then back down to Queens Quay east of Yonge St.

Converting the portal into a wye isn't a major issue, as the structure was built with the provisions already in place.

 

Not only that, but bringing the line to the surface in a new location - especially on Bay - is a non-trivial matter. There is not enough room in the current blocks between Lake Shore and Harbour, or Harbour and Queens Quay. And you can't bring it up alongside the ACC to surface at Lake Shore as that would eliminate much of the new platform space that the TTC is trying to build.

 

And of course, doing any of those will completely obviate the whole reason why they put the wye underground in the first place - separating the different types of traffic due to all of the pedestrian traffic at Bay and Queens Quay.

 

Dan

 

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My instinct is to go with the APM shuttle (technology TBD) and relocate the streetcar track to the southern lanes, eliminating the swerve to the portal which has caused so much safety problems. I imagine the Westin would not like this as it would interfere with arriving taxis.

The TTC has had issues down the years with water infiltration and it may be that a lower height vehicle and raising the guideway would allow better drainage beneath. The tricky part would be how to access for maintenance given the car park south of QQ Station likely impedes a continuation southwards - maybe this is where the ACC/Bremner space comes in?

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3 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

Anyone know if we can expect 4400 or 4401 to return any time soon?

They said 9 months in September. Maybe June?

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Just now, 7575 said:

They said 9 months in September. Maybe June?

9 months? I thought it was supposed to be up to 19 weeks per car.

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24 minutes ago, PCC Guy said:

9 months? I thought it was supposed to be up to 19 weeks per car.

It was going to be a maximum of 19 weeks per car after the first 5 or 6 cars had been cycled through the program. The first few would take longer as they figured out the appropriate and fastest techniques to do the work.

 

Dan

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