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7 hours ago, Shaun said:

I saw some footage of them doing high speed testing on Queen with the new street cars and they seem to be pretty fast considering their size.  Are you sure they are slower than CLRV's?

They are faster. They accelerate more quickly and are more powerful.

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4 hours ago, CB4Raptors said:

I can confirm 4440 was on 509 Harbourfront this morning on 2 run (around 9am).

It was short live as it spent all afternoon going in and out the various service bays including the ones you back out of as well around the yard.

I noticed later tonight it was running from the EX to Spadina Loop as a dot out of service and then back to the yard where it sits at this time.

I shot this March 15, 2014 at the CNE loop around 3 am on test 2 day. Since this is is a short section, not going to get great speed, but backup is almost fast as front driving 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Witenite said:

Take it from a  operator and a whole new topic but a lot of people don't pay for a ride.  Ask others on here and I'm sure they will give the same answer.  My opinion is the rate is a lot higher than what ttc says. The people that get free rides are all different types of people, young,old, black, white, rich and poor.  These people know how the system works and how to get around it

People complain about the high ttc prices but are also the first to criticize a fare inspector for doing their job.  The public will take out the cell phone and tape any altercation with a ttc employee and the public.  Then they will complain and play the victim card.  It's simple no pop get a ticket ...you don't for got your wallet cell phone or keys

I'm not entirely sure you don't have bias. Nor do I believe you remembering that it is those people which employ you, and that you serve.

I enter through back of the streetcars at every opportunity. So many reasons to do so. Faster. More chance of getting a seat. Less chance of being at front and losing a seat. Not having to open my wallet and pull out card.

So I also sit there and watch those in the back being checked. Almost everyone has paid. Just the same as other cities where many studies have.

Quite frankly, i see more violations by TTC operators than I do with fare dodgers. Just yesterda there was an operator (an ALRV even) enter a pedestrian crossing on King immediately after the person had gone in front, rather than waiting for him to reach the sidewalk. Which was bizarre, given I was also in the crossing heading the other direction, and then had to stand there in the middle of the road while this slow ALRV lumbered past. And right next to me (fortunately stopped) was a CLRV also stopped. The op was about 3 feet from me. I looked at him. He looked at me. We both shake our heads and shrug our shoulders ...

And the number of 501 and 504 bus shuttle operators who have told me they don't have to open the back doors even at a very busy stop, because they are not effing streetcars ...

If I treated my clients like this, I'd be out of a job.

7 hours ago, TTCOpITM said:

They are faster. They accelerate more quickly and are more powerful.

Precisely, this was the comment above, saying that they are slower.

Because they so powerful and accelerate so quickly, they have to be much more careful and gentle, and end up going slower, rather than the CLRV where they just gun it, and they are good.

Obviously there is a software solution to this.

 

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2 hours ago, nfitz said:

I'm not entirely sure you don't have bias. Nor do I believe you remembering that it is those people which employ you, and that you serve.

I enter through back of the streetcars at every opportunity. So many reasons to do so. Faster. More chance of getting a seat. Less chance of being at front and losing a seat. Not having to open my wallet and pull out card.

So I also sit there and watch those in the back being checked. Almost everyone has paid. Just the same as other cities where many studies have.

Quite frankly, i see more violations by TTC operators than I do with fare dodgers. Just yesterda there was an operator (an ALRV even) enter a pedestrian crossing on King immediately after the person had gone in front, rather than waiting for him to reach the sidewalk. Which was bizarre, given I was also in the crossing heading the other direction, and then had to stand there in the middle of the road while this slow ALRV lumbered past. And right next to me (fortunately stopped) was a CLRV also stopped. The op was about 3 feet from me. I looked at him. He looked at me. We both shake our heads and shrug our shoulders ...

And the number of 501 and 504 bus shuttle operators who have told me they don't have to open the back doors even at a very busy stop, because they are not effing streetcars ...

If I treated my clients like this, I'd be out of a job.

Precisely, this was the comment above, saying that they are slower.

Because they so powerful and accelerate so quickly, they have to be much more careful and gentle, and end up going slower, rather than the CLRV where they just gun it, and they are good.

Obviously there is a software solution to this.

 

I personally don't find that accelerating at full power could cause an onboard, I do it, and my passengers seem fine because it's very smooth acceleration. Whenever I get the chance, I MOVE (within reason of course, and I make sure to give my self enough braking distance that I can brake smoothly).

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On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 7:24 PM, CB4Raptors said:

I can confirm 4440 was on 509 Harbourfront this morning on 2 run (around 9am).

...and a little later changed to 3 run (an AM peak tripper only), which is why it headed back to Leslie just after 10 AM in the morning.

23 hours ago, drum118 said:

It was short live as it spent all afternoon going in and out the various service bays including the ones you back out of as well around the yard.

I noticed later tonight it was running from the EX to Spadina Loop as a dot out of service and then back to the yard where it sits at this time.

Car 4440 ended up on a AM peak tripper run yesterday morning, so that's why it was short lived. I doubt there was any technical problem with it. Yesterday evening, I ran into it on Spadina and it was signed as "training car" and not signed in onto any route - that's why nextbus did not pick it up. Today it was in service on 509 from early morning until about 8 PM, so it seems to be doing fine for now.

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21 hours ago, nfitz said:

I'm not entirely sure you don't have bias. Nor do I believe you remembering that it is those people which employ you, and that you serve.

I enter through back of the streetcars at every opportunity. So many reasons to do so. Faster. More chance of getting a seat. Less chance of being at front and losing a seat. Not having to open my wallet and pull out card.

So I also sit there and watch those in the back being checked. Almost everyone has paid. Just the same as other cities where many studies have.

Quite frankly, i see more violations by TTC operators than I do with fare dodgers. Just yesterda there was an operator (an ALRV even) enter a pedestrian crossing on King immediately after the person had gone in front, rather than waiting for him to reach the sidewalk. Which was bizarre, given I was also in the crossing heading the other direction, and then had to stand there in the middle of the road while this slow ALRV lumbered past. And right next to me (fortunately stopped) was a CLRV also stopped. The op was about 3 feet from me. I looked at him. He looked at me. We both shake our heads and shrug our shoulders ...

And the number of 501 and 504 bus shuttle operators who have told me they don't have to open the back doors even at a very busy stop, because they are not effing streetcars ...

If I treated my clients like this, I'd be out of a job.

Precisely, this was the comment above, saying that they are slower.

Because they so powerful and accelerate so quickly, they have to be much more careful and gentle, and end up going slower, rather than the CLRV where they just gun it, and they are good.

Obviously there is a software solution to this.

 

If you don't think fare invading doesnt occur and it isn't a problem,  I suggest asking other operators, collectors or ask a fare enforcement officers for their opinion.

I respect your concerns by mentioning the way operators drive.  But it seems you are only seeing the wrongs in a ttc operator.  I mean to be fair, you should mention how other people drive their cars, how taxis and Uber drivers are agressively, how cyclist dont follow the rules of the road, how pedestrians don't follow the rules of the road.  The list can go on and on.  

I'm sure if you told us where you worked, I bet I can go and knit pick things and procedures you and you fellow employees haven't followed correctly.  Remember respect Is a 2 way street.  You gain respect when you give respect.  Remember an operator is assaulted daily at work if not more 

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Anyone know what the overhead plan for Long Branch loop is?

I walked there yesterday evening, a bit too late for pictures, and they'd probably look like a mess without the 3-D.

There's a double-member support arm just after the layover track forks off, but it's only supporting the layover wire. I suppose it could support the overhead on the main inbound track to the loop, but it won't stretch to the outbound (eastbound) track. There are a couple more single-member support arms deployed randomly from the north-side posts, over both the layover track and on the main track where the layover track ends.

There are also at least four new poles lying around the site.

The support arms look permanent, but they're mixed in with new-looking span wires, and the arms aren't long enough in the layover track region for two tracks, let alone three.

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On 21/07/2017 at 2:33 AM, Witenite said:

If you don't think fare invading doesnt occur and it isn't a problem,  I suggest asking other operators, collectors or ask a fare enforcement officers for their opinion.

Hang on. Of course it occurs. There's always going to be some of it. Is it a problem? Not if the rate is kept low, and in line with international norms. Your comment was "a lot of people don't pay for a ride". What does that even mean? With over half a billion (linked) trips a year, there are lots of people not paying for a ride. One percent is quite a low rate. So millions is a lot of people.

But on any given CLRV, that's less than 1 person. Which isn't a lot of people

 

On 21/07/2017 at 2:33 AM, Witenite said:

If you don't think fare invading doesnt occur and it isn't a problem,  I suggest asking other operators, collectors or ask a fare enforcement officers for their opinion.

I respect your concerns by mentioning the way operators drive.  But it seems you are only seeing the wrongs in a ttc operator.  I mean to be fair, you should mention how other people drive their cars, how taxis and Uber drivers are agressively, how cyclist dont follow the rules of the road, how pedestrians don't follow the rules of the road.  The list can go on and on.  

I'm sure if you told us where you worked, I bet I can go and knit pick things and procedures you and you fellow employees haven't followed correctly.  Remember respect Is a 2 way street.  You gain respect when you give respect.  Remember an operator is assaulted daily at work if not more 

Oh, taxis are bad too. And downtown, I'd say the more expensive the car, the worse it is - at least for pedestrian encounters.

And most operators are great. (oddly, and anecdotally, there are less issues with streetcars than buses, and perhaps least of all with Flexity drivers).

But if we go the fare evasion rate at about 1% ... that means I'll only see 1 streetcar in a hundred run a crosswalk while a pedestrian is still on it; which is a bright line violation of the highway traffic act. Crossing the same crossing on King Street every day, I keep my eyes open. I haven't tried to count, but it's way higher than 1%. Probabl

 

On 21/07/2017 at 2:33 AM, Witenite said:

I'm sure if you told us where you worked, I bet I can go and knit pick things and procedures you and you fellow employees haven't followed correctly.  Remember respect Is a 2 way street.  You gain respect when you give respect.  Remember an operator is assaulted daily at work if not more 

Procedure - sure. Just the other day, I saw someone spill coffee on the floor, stop to clean it up, and fail to file the appropriate company-mandated paperwork. I've even seen someone take a band-aid out of the first-aid box with out phoning the health-and-safety hotline afterward. (can you believe it?) And you wouldn't believe the number of times I see a secretary fail to put in Oxford commas when typing!

But I think company procedures are different than violations of of provincial regulations, and in particular the Ontario Highway Code. I could be terminated if I'd fail to report someone else violating provincial regulations. Doesn't mean I need to phone the cops if I see a coworker run a red light; but I need to report it internally. Though, if I go check the procedure, I'm not sure I have to identify the individual who did it. Perhaps I need to only identify their supervisor.

 

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