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There is way more room in the Kingston Sub ROW than there is in the Weston Sub ROW.

The problem with the Kingston Sub is that the room for expansion isn't all on the same side of the corridor. It shifts between the north and the south side of the corridor based upon geography, the location of past industries, and brownfield redevelopments. And that just takes you as far as Coxwell. Then you start to run into major obsticles like the Main st. overpass/Danforth Station.

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The problem with the Kingston Sub is that the room for expansion isn't all on the same side of the corridor. It shifts between the north and the south side of the corridor based upon geography, the location of past industries, and brownfield redevelopments. And that just takes you as far as Coxwell. Then you start to run into major obsticles like the Main st. overpass/Danforth Station.

But with the exception of the stations (in some cases) the room is there along the Kingston Sub. It simply doesn't exist along the Weston Sub, meaning that a lot of land would have to be purchased to make an above-ground line.

In any case, it's all hypothetical.

Dan

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The problem with the Kingston Sub is that the room for expansion isn't all on the same side of the corridor. It shifts between the north and the south side of the corridor based upon geography, the location of past industries, and brownfield redevelopments. And that just takes you as far as Coxwell. Then you start to run into major obsticles like the Main st. overpass/Danforth Station.

Then they'd have to shift some of the tracks if they expand the corridor and lay more. It's been done before, a recent example being shifting some of the mainline alignments around on the CN Halton Sub when it was triple tracked.

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Then they'd have to shift some of the tracks if they expand the corridor and lay more. It's been done before, a recent example being shifting some of the mainline alignments around on the CN Halton Sub when it was triple tracked.

Again, that only takes you to Coxwell. The stretch beyond that to Scarborough Junction is where things get expensive. And considering that this is a half-assed plan, this is no better than a "wishes are fishes" thought exercise.

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How about the TTC stops cheaping out on things that have a lot of importance, and over spending on worthless projects (in present terms). The DRL needs to be tunnled. If there was a viable surface option available, everyone would be all for it, but since our city is overbuilt with condos in every corner taking up valuable land, a surface option really doesnt exist (aside from GO Transit).

The TTC needs to stop fantasizing about the Yonge extention, get there heads together with Scarborough and stop diddling around with Sheppard. Once all of that is straightened out, maybe they'll be able to find financing for the apporpriate scheme.

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How about the TTC stops cheaping out on things that have a lot of importance, and over spending on worthless projects (in present terms). The DRL needs to be tunnled.

That's probably where it will end. But there's been considerable political pressure for using the rail corridors. TTC is currently working on the EA. This is the perfect time to look at this. If they consider it as an option, and as we all expect, see that it doesn't solve the problem, etc., then the politicians will stop making noise about this.

This is the right thing to do, at the right time to do it. If it's well documented when the EA is complete, that using rail corridors is not an option (at least on the east) then when they are trying to sort out funding, we won't have a fifth column of Scarborough councillors trying to highjack and move the line at the last minute.

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Again, that only takes you to Coxwell. The stretch beyond that to Scarborough Junction is where things get expensive. And considering that this is a half-assed plan, this is no better than a "wishes are fishes" thought exercise.

My last comment on the topic, because I have seen the property maps.

There is lots of room in the ROW for many more tracks. Even east of Coxwell.

Dan

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There is lots of room in the ROW for many more tracks. Even east of Coxwell.

So where would "many more tracks" go through Danforth Station.

Also, you may want to check the layout of utilities before proclaiming how many tracks can be put through. There is a surprise under the Kingston Sub for those who think this can be done cheaply.

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So where would "many more tracks" go through Danforth Station.

One track through the new entrance at the south end (shift entrace further south)

Two more through the existing main station (shift existing station onto storage locker lands, and slightly further east so not under overpass).

Wouldn't be cheap though ...

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Here's a shot, taken today, on the Georgetown corridor. Not that different from other places.

Check out the amount of space between the (widened) Weston Sub bridge, and the CP Mactier Sub. I dare say the spacing is similar south of Bloor, at least to Queen Street.

You see lots of this in Europe.

- Paul

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  • 2 months later...

So in case you missed it.

According to Ford, the DRL should only be built after the Sheppard line is "finished" and the Finch subway is built because downtown has enough subways and Scarborough and North York don't have any subways.

That car crashing sound you just heard was not outside but coming from your higher brain functions.

I think we've all come to conclusion by now that Ford is complete fool, and every word that comes out of his mouth is garbage and makes no sense at all. Its beyond me how people still support him, but apparently they like to eat the s*** that comes out of his mouth

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I think we've all come to conclusion by now that Ford is complete fool, and every word that comes out of his mouth is garbage and makes no sense at all.

On the plus side, it means that it's relatively easy to do a cheap campaign against him since there is only one subway station you really need to pay for advertising in to have an impact during the next election.

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I think we've all come to conclusion by now that Ford is complete fool, and every word that comes out of his mouth is garbage and makes no sense at all. Its beyond me how people still support him, but apparently they like to eat the s*** that comes out of his mouth

Yes we have, that still doesn't mean you have to lower yourself to his kind of vocabulary or vulgarity.
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  • 1 year later...

If anyone's interested the next round of community consultations on the line are going on.

The meetings will be held between 7:00 and 9:00 pm:

  • Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at Calvary Church, 746 Pape Avenue (Pape Station)
  • Thursday, March 5, 2015 at Riverdale Collegiate, 1094 Gerrard Street East at Jones (506 Carlton car of 83 Jones bus)
  • Monday, March 9, 2015 at St. Lawrence Hall, 157 King Street East at Jarvis (504 King car)
  • Thursday, March 12, 2015 at Christ Church Deer Park, 1570 Yonge Street (St. Clair Station)

If you can't make it to one of the meetings, here's the project website with the presentation material.

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  • 1 year later...

Assuming the 2 extension to Scarborough Town Centre goes ahead and the 3 is decommissioned, would there be enough of a temporal separation to give this line the 3's number and colour?

The current schedule is that the existing Line 3 closes in 2023, and the DRL opens in 2027 (or later).

So, yes. And it would work well, with lines 1 through 4 being heavy rail subway and Lines 5, 6, and higher being LRT.

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  • 1 month later...

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With Council now fine tuning the details on the preferred corridor.  The presentations they made indicated that Richmond Street faced some technical issues especially where it runs next to the Hudson's Bay/Saks building as the sidewalk there essentially forms the roof of the basement level of the store.  Also the fact that they were provisionally calling the station "City Hall" led me to believe they were leaning toward Queen over Richmond.  The connecting tunnels to Osgoode would need to be built with westward expansion in mind.  If they're going to adopt Metrolinx' naming conventions for stations the Sherbourne (if they decide to put a station there) station could go as Moss Park.  Not sure what they'd want to call the one at Broadview.  Riverdale?  Riverside?

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  • 2044 changed the title to Ontario Line (formerly Downtown Relief Line)

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