MCIBUS Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 So we get free transit in Dec, yet come Jan 1 we pay more for transit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, MCIBUS said: So we get free transit in Dec, yet come Jan 1 we pay more for transit? Yep. Hence why I don't think Fare freezes should be a thing. The city never just skips a year increase, instead they just backlog the cost. When we wanted a fare freeze at 3.60, we were hoping the city would just say "okay, it'll go up 5 cents, on the next declared increase" But they save that freeze amount as if it's like some kind of credit, which results in suprise fluctuations to the average user because we had a fair freeze for almost 2 years or so, so now cost will go from $3.60 to $3.70 and passes will go up $$ since we have this utopian fare class where the poor Vanier-type neighbourhood has to subsidie rural service to Stittsville, Vars, etc. Anywho, not jumping in that rabbit hole again. There's a reason I operate caR 1 daily now, except tonight where I'll take the 404 to see the Sens. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCCheetos Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 55 minutes ago, Loud-Invero said: because we had a fair freeze for almost 2 years or so, so now cost will go from $3.60 to $3.70 The 10 cent jump is solely because of the rate of inflation. Those 10 cents are a 2.5% increase (rounded to the nearest 5 cents) which is roughly on-par with inflation, give or take. There's no fluctuation caused by any past freeze going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 10 hours ago, OCCheetos said: The 10 cent jump is solely because of the rate of inflation. Those 10 cents are a 2.5% increase (rounded to the nearest 5 cents) which is roughly on-par with inflation, give or take. There's no fluctuation caused by any past freeze going on here. Inflation usually adds 5 cents every year. I'm saying that the current fare is 3.60 despite buses since January of last year, buses having fare cards stating $3.65 for fare, that's because of the fare freeze. Now come January, the fare freeze will end and the inflation increase also kicks in for a total of 10 cents more. People will be paying 10 cents more than before. Had the fare not been frozen, the increase would have only been 5 cents (but the fare base for cash would be 3.65 as displayed on buses, had the freeze not put into place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCCheetos Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Loud-Invero said: Inflation usually adds 5 cents every year. I'm saying that the current fare is 3.60 despite buses since January of last year, buses having fare cards stating $3.65 for fare, that's because of the fare freeze. Now come January, the fare freeze will end and the inflation increase also kicks in for a total of 10 cents more. People will be paying 10 cents more than before. Had the fare not been frozen, the increase would have only been 5 cents (but the fare base for cash would be 3.65 as displayed on buses, had the freeze not put into place) Just going by the table on Wikipedia, it normally goes up 10 cents a year. The one five cent increase is an outlier, and 10 cents aligns with the general inflation rate which normally hovered around 2%. But wait, isn't the current cash fare $3.65, with the PRESTO fare being $3.60? The 2022 fares would be $3.75 cash, and $3.70 PRESTO. I can't tell if we're on the same page there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, OCCheetos said: Just going by the table on Wikipedia, it normally goes up 10 cents a year. The one five cent increase is an outlier, and 10 cents aligns with the general inflation rate which normally hovered around 2%. But wait, isn't the current cash fare $3.65, with the PRESTO fare being $3.60? The 2022 fares would be $3.75 cash, and $3.70 PRESTO. I can't tell if we're on the same page there. Probably not to be honest. Either way, pretty terrible optics on OC's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Walton Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 11/14/2021 at 10:55 PM, Loud-Invero said: Probably not to be honest. Either way, pretty terrible optics on OC's part. Any fare increase sucks, to be sure - but it probably sucks less to raise fares by about 5¢/year for cash fares and $1/year for monthly passes than to wait 5 years and have to raise fares by 5 times as much. My own fare category isn't among those affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudebrains Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 10/27/2021 at 11:17 AM, dudebrains said: STO has posted the agenda for tomorrow's council meeting. http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/communications/PDF/Ordre_du_jour/2021_10_28_CA_0_OJ.PDF Per agenda items 3.1 and 3.2, it seems the contracts for hybrid bus acquisitions are being cancelled (which is wierd, especially for the 18m [60ft] buses, as the STO currently doesn't seem to have enough). Another interesting item is 6.1. It seems that the finance department will be authorizing spending for the acquisition of 2 40ft electrics!! So, turns out this isn't what it looks like. I was watching the video of the STM's latest council meeting and they had the same agenda item. According to what Philippe Schnobb said, the resolution was to change some legal stuff in the paperwork. I take it the same is true for the STO. Seems there was some sort of behind-the-scenes change to the legal entity that is Nova Bus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudebrains Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 The STO has posted the agenda for this afternoon's board meeting. The agenda is very short but item 8.2 is a big one: The board will mandate another transit agency to proceed with the purchase of 40-foot depot-charge electrics for 2023 to 2026. This means that there will likely be a request for proposals on the SAEO soon for a HUGE purchase of electrics from a bunch of agencies doing it all at once through the ATUQ group purchasing program. I'll keep all of you posted on the matter as news becomes available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 hours ago, dudebrains said: The STO has posted the agenda for this afternoon's board meeting. The agenda is very short but item 8.2 is a big one: The board will mandate another transit agency to proceed with the purchase of 40-foot depot-charge electrics for 2023 to 2026. This means that there will likely be a request for proposals on the SAEO soon for a HUGE purchase of electrics from a bunch of agencies doing it all at once through the ATUQ group purchasing program. I'll keep all of you posted on the matter as news becomes available. RTL announced on Dec 10th that they & 3 other Quebec Ta's (Sto being one of the 3 ) have entered into a contract to buy some electric buses. Found on Rtl's FB page. RTL - Réseau de transport de Longueuil [Electrification of Transport ] Thanks to the financial aid of $30 million announced on December 6 by Quebec and Ottawa, a group purchase contract was made in partnership with the transport companies of Longueuil, Sherbrooke, Trois-Rivières and l'Outaouais, which will receive to new electric vehicles. RTL has purchased 5 100% electric long-range Nova Bus vehicles (+5 as an option). A visit to the Nova Bus facilities was held last Wednesday where the transport companies of Sherbrooke and Outaouais were also present. The RTL was proudly represented by Geneviève Héon, municipal councilor in Longueuil and president of the board of directors, Michel Veilleux, director general, Sylvain Gonthier, chief director of operations, Nadia Goyer, director of the communications and customer experience, and Pascal Houle, director of maintenance and engineering. The president of the Association of Urban Transport du Quebec, Marc-André Varin, was also present. We thank Martin Larose, president of Nova Bus, and his whole team for the warm welcome and above all, for actively contributing to the electrification of transport in Quebec. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 I hope that they are as reliable as the hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Thanks goes to @GTAmissions1 for the heads up. Apparently a Nova got stuck at the new Onramp at Holly Acres 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZümmyZüm Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 20 hours ago, Oc4526 said: Thanks goes to @GTAmissions1 for the heads up. Apparently a Nova got stuck at the new Onramp at Holly Acres The design for buses makes no sense at all, the first time I took that left to holly acres then the immediate right it caught me off guard as well.. you’d think they would take into account how much a bus needs to turn the angle is also surprisingly misleading until you’re right up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 Employee COVID-19 cases will no longer be reported on octranspo.com Quote OC Transpo is no longer able to provide details on octranspo.com of COVID-19 cases among its staff. The public health situation in Ottawa is evolving quickly with the highly transmissible Omicron variant having a significant impact on the community and the health system. As of December 31, 2021, all publicly funded PCR testing is limited to high-risk individuals and employees who work in high-risk settings only. All other individuals with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 have been asked not to seek testing, to presume they are positive, and to follow provincial isolation and/or self-monitoring guidelines. Given that most City of Ottawa employees are not currently eligible for PCR testing, it is no longer possible to accurately report the number or details of confirmed positive COVID-19 cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCIBUS Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 I see big problems for OC, especially drivers. I don't know how many have Covid at OC but I see OC having problems filling driver replacements for routes(meaning many canceled runs/fill scheduled runs). I hope not, but the way everything going I wouldn't be surprised if OC has a driver shortage due to Covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiting for 30 Minutes Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 hours ago, MCIBUS said: I see big problems for OC, especially drivers. I don't know how many have Covid at OC but I see OC having problems filling driver replacements for routes(meaning many canceled runs/fill scheduled runs). I hope not, but the way everything going I wouldn't be surprised if OC has a driver shortage due to Covid? It's already an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAmissions1 Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 The major winter storm on Monday lead to 300 buses and 40 Para Transpo buses getting stuck. Some stuck for over 8 hours unsure when assistance will arrive. One suggestion from the union is to remove service from residential roads and instead focus on the major routes like the rapid transit and frequent service routes. Those that are affected by routes that won't be serviced would have to walk to an alternative route. https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/ottawa-transit-union-wants-to-scale-back-service-during-snow-storms-to-avoid-stranding-vehicles-4976634 The major issue I see with diverting resources onto major routes is communication since some people will wait at a stop for several hours not realizing that a trip won't run or reach where they are. Even if there is 10 cm on the road and people will still assume that a bus will go through. Off-hand, I do know OC Transpo does post about stops being closed due to the risk of buses getting stuck and coordinating detours along affected routes if possible. Service can't stop running especially for those that still need to travel for essential jobs or the risk of stranding passengers in a different area of town. Even when some retailers will close early due to extreme weather events such as winter storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said: and frequent service routes That's funny, most Frequent Routes provide service on residential roads. Even Rapid Routes 39, 57, 75, 98 (little bit of 99) serve residential streets. Clint must have forgotten under Jim's mandate, a lot of out rapid and frequent routes have merged with former local service. I get his point, but really, this is just beating around the bush with a bigger underlining problem, which is snowplow availability vs snow accumulation and that there are no Winter Tires for our buses. There's no such thing as "all seasons" in this country, it's either Winter or Summer. Sure, we don't have the garage space as it stands to store up to 6-8 thousand tires at anytime of the year and the city isn't looking to hire people as garage attendants and mechanics to install the tires (hell, they're not even doing turnovers for those leaving the garage attendant position) , but why anyone is surprised at the impact of the storm had on our buses and then the solution is to just remove service to literally the majority of the city's communities that aren't served by frequent Routes (looking at you, Findlay Creek *Route 93*) all together, is beyond me. "What, buses are getting stuck because their "all-seasons" don't work in all seasons...? I guess we should just proactively remove service and at least not even attempt to bring local service". Last thing, the 187 is a local limited route. If you lived in the middle of Slack or on Vann near Slack, and OC listened to what Clint is demanding and cancel that type of local service during storms, you'll probably be walking OVER TWO KILOMETERS to nearby "frequent" service at Nepean Sportsplex or just over a kilometer if you walk to Merivale Rd. to catch the 80. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oc4526 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Found this tweet from the Sto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 New way to pay at Line 1 stations | OC Transpo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkaboom1 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Loud-Invero said: New way to pay at Line 1 stations | OC Transpo I like that they are finally introducing this but I feel as they should hold off until they can implement transfers. Personally I use a presto but wouldn't switch to phone unless I can transfer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flalex72 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 1:57 PM, Loud-Invero said: New way to pay at Line 1 stations | OC Transpo This has been available for almost a year now. On 1/27/2022 at 3:28 PM, Mrkaboom1 said: I like that they are finally introducing this but I feel as they should hold off until they can implement transfers. Personally I use a presto but wouldn't switch to phone unless I can transfer. Transfers are coming, but I've used the tap a couple of times and it's very handy, especially with the FPZs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkaboom1 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Flalex72 said: This has been available for almost a year now. Transfers are coming, but I've used the tap a couple of times and it's very handy, especially with the FPZs. I do defiantly see the handiness this can provide but would love to see it evolve into more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud-Invero Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Flalex72 said: This has been available for almost a year now. Transfers are coming, but I've used the tap a couple of times and it's very handy, especially with the FPZs. I know, but it didn't include debit cards nor did it apply to all stations. I can't wait until it expands to all buses as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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