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The free transit proposal for December was passed by a margin of 17 to 6. If trains are still not operating on December 1st, the free month will NOT happen and instead be postponed to a future month. Costs for the free month coming out of Rideau Transit Maintenance monthly payments for providing train service. 

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/gimmick-or-not-ottawa-public-transit-users-can-expect-to-ride-for-free-in-december-4510598?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&fbclid=IwAR1mzOtAwV08SXgQhU7ovMghCzigeBGw_ihjI0V24SVISyLlyn45F5wIfsE

To be honest, I think they could also consider not increasing fares until the service is stable enough to operate. Of course the challenge is how to cover the increasing costs such as fuel and wages. Trying to achieve a balance between operations and revenue to support. I don't blame passengers who are frustrated having to rely on R1 shuttle buses for almost a month now and hoping that things stabilize. 

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12 hours ago, MCIBUS said:

I don't know the actual rules, but I do know if a individual stated medical exemption, by-law, police or OC law enforcement CAN NOT ASK FOR PROOF that is a violation of the privacy act. 

That is not a violation of the privacy act, it's a violation of the province's mask mandate.

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The buses Councillor McKenney is proposing to purchase in this story are listed here:

https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/metrostlouis,mo/auction/view?auc=2905276

CTV news incorrectly said they were nearly two decades old (Well I suppose if you count the two Gillig buses then they are)  CityNews also incorrectly said they were former OC Transpo buses.  At least the photos on the auction don’t look like the 2001 models we used to have.

 

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16 minutes ago, Michel said:

The buses Councillor McKenney is proposing to purchase in this story are listed here:

https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/metrostlouis,mo/auction/view?auc=2905276

CTV news incorrectly said they were nearly two decades old (Well I suppose if you count the two Gillig buses then they are)  CityNews also incorrectly said they were former OC Transpo buses.  At least the photos on the auction don’t look like the 2001 models we used to have.

 

The buses in the auction actually were ex-OC Transpo buses, so they're definitely correct.... the only difference is that they got upgraded to Cummins ISL9 engines instead of keeping the S50 engins they used to have. They're actually 2004s too, so the claim of being nearly two decades old isn't actually too far off. 

I also looked up one of the VINs in the auction and it led me to this page..... https://www.cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/St._Louis_Metro_2201-2215

It also says that most of them were put up on the same website.

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3 minutes ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

The buses in the auction actually were ex-OC Transpo buses, so they're definitely correct.... the only difference is that they got upgraded to Cummins ISL9 engines instead of keeping the S50 engins they used to have. They're actually 2004s too, so the claim of being nearly two decades old isn't actually too far off. 

I also looked up one of the VINs in the auction and it led me to this page..... https://www.cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/St._Louis_Metro_2201-2215

It also says that most of them were put up on the same website.

I stand corrected.  The Auction site said they are 2014 models.

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33 minutes ago, Michel said:

The buses Councillor McKenney is proposing to purchase in this story are listed here:

https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/metrostlouis,mo/auction/view?auc=2905276

CTV news incorrectly said they were nearly two decades old (Well I suppose if you count the two Gillig buses then they are)  CityNews also incorrectly said they were former OC Transpo buses.  At least the photos on the auction don’t look like the 2001 models we used to have.

 

By the time the MTO repairs are completed and the plates are issued and on, the LRT will be re opened.

Also, there’s a worldwide shortage of electronic automotive parts, especially Cummins sensors, so that will slow that process down even further.

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12 minutes ago, Bus_Medic said:

By the time the MTO repairs are completed and the plates are issued and on, the LRT will be re opened.

Also, there’s a worldwide shortage of electronic automotive parts, especially Cummins sensors, so that will slow that process down even further.

McKenney also did mention that would come in handy in future prolonged shutdowns which I think we all agree at this point is inevitable. The one thing I don't understand is if the chair of the Transit Commission, Alan, acknowledged that we need more buses in our system, why hasn't Transpo further speed up the training/deployment of electric buses we already have and just get them on the road already?

Either way, I'm hoping we procure them. Need more buses in general.

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1 hour ago, Loud-Invero said:

McKenney also did mention that would come in handy in future prolonged shutdowns which I think we all agree at this point is inevitable. The one thing I don't understand is if the chair of the Transit Commission, Alan, acknowledged that we need more buses in our system, why hasn't Transpo further speed up the training/deployment of electric buses we already have and just get them on the road already?

Either way, I'm hoping we procure them. Need more buses in general.

Sure, but let it be known that the current high bid is only 1500 USD for a reason.

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10 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

McKenney also did mention that would come in handy in future prolonged shutdowns which I think we all agree at this point is inevitable. The one thing I don't understand is if the chair of the Transit Commission, Alan, acknowledged that we need more buses in our system, why hasn't Transpo further speed up the training/deployment of electric buses we already have and just get them on the road already?

Either way, I'm hoping we procure them. Need more buses in general.

Expediting/cutting corners on training the mechanics and drivers will yield only unfavourable results.

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On 10/20/2021 at 6:54 PM, Loud-Invero said:

McKenney also did mention that would come in handy in future prolonged shutdowns which I think we all agree at this point is inevitable. The one thing I don't understand is if the chair of the Transit Commission, Alan, acknowledged that we need more buses in our system, why hasn't Transpo further speed up the training/deployment of electric buses we already have and just get them on the road already?

If we are looking at STM / STLaval experience with XE40 buses, it is a far world that just prepare the bus and give it to an operator

LOTS of testing and engineering needs to be done before a customer board an electric bus

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8 hours ago, eclair14 said:

If we are looking at STM / STLaval experience with XE40 buses, it is a far world that just prepare the bus and give it to an operator

LOTS of testing and engineering needs to be done before a customer board an electric bus

Were far forward vs those two agencies, especially the STM but still not ready, next up is operator training for those that signed the runs and then they will slowly enter service when that’s all done 

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STO has posted the agenda for tomorrow's council meeting.

http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/communications/PDF/Ordre_du_jour/2021_10_28_CA_0_OJ.PDF

Per agenda items 3.1 and 3.2, it seems the contracts for hybrid bus acquisitions are being cancelled (which is wierd, especially for the 18m [60ft] buses, as the STO currently doesn't seem to have enough).

Another interesting item is 6.1. It seems that the finance department will be authorizing spending for the acquisition of 2 40ft electrics!!

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On 10/27/2021 at 11:17 AM, dudebrains said:

STO has posted the agenda for tomorrow's council meeting.

http://www.sto.ca/fileadmin/user_upload/communications/PDF/Ordre_du_jour/2021_10_28_CA_0_OJ.PDF

Per agenda items 3.1 and 3.2, it seems the contracts for hybrid bus acquisitions are being cancelled (which is wierd, especially for the 18m [60ft] buses, as the STO currently doesn't seem to have enough).

Another interesting item is 6.1. It seems that the finance department will be authorizing spending for the acquisition of 2 40ft electrics!!

I certainly hope they plan of refurbishing the 2012 and 2013 LFS-A's if they're quashing this contract.  Not to mention the 2004s were supposed to be replaced....  Not please with this move at all.

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20 hours ago, sdgta2008 said:

I certainly hope they plan of refurbishing the 2012 and 2013 LFS-A's if they're quashing this contract.  Not to mention the 2004s were supposed to be replaced....  Not please with this move at all.

I'm not sure why they did this, we'll have to wait for the minutes to be published in a few months...

We desperately need more artics, especially considering that the 12s and 13s (plus 1201 & 1202, which are actually 2011s) are reaching their half life and will probably need refurbishment. 

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4 hours ago, dudebrains said:

I'm not sure why they did this, we'll have to wait for the minutes to be published in a few months...

We desperately need more artics, especially considering that the 12s and 13s (plus 1201 & 1202, which are actually 2011s) are reaching their half life and will probably need refurbishment. 

If I had to guess I'd say they're probably gearing themselves for a larger electric bus order sooner than expected after they test out the 2 electric buses they wish to purchase in the short term.

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4 hours ago, sdgta2008 said:

If I had to guess I'd say they're probably gearing themselves for a larger electric bus order sooner than expected after they test out the 2 electric buses they wish to purchase in the short term.

That's pretty much the only possibility.

Starting in 2025, the province will only subsidize the purchase of electrics.

Makes me wonder if the 21s could be the last order of fossil fuel buses for the STO (although I can't fathom them not ordering more buses before then, the 04s are getting tired...)

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On 10/30/2021 at 5:49 PM, dudebrains said:

That's pretty much the only possibility.

Starting in 2025, the province will only subsidize the purchase of electrics.

Makes me wonder if the 21s could be the last order of fossil fuel buses for the STO (although I can't fathom them not ordering more buses before then, the 04s are getting tired...)

Here's another piece of the puzzle...  François Legault announced at COP26 that the Quebec government will be investing $2.4 billion for a mass procurement of 2,148 electric buses by 2030 for the province.

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This is new that transfers will be extended another 60 minutes when R1 replacement service is operating. The 60 minute figure to account for the one-way trip if someone were to take the entire rail one from one end to the other. Along with transferring to a local route to reach their end destination. 

Currently transfers are only valid for 90 minutes during daytime and 105 minutes during early mornings, after 6 PM and all-day Sunday. Between 10:30 PM until 2:45 AM the next day, transfer expires at 4:30 AM the next morning. 

There are plans to make the current transfer two hours which is 120 minutes which has been deferred until the 2023 budget. Right now, it is being reviewed by the Transit Fare Working Group and staff on the implications and costs of extending transfers during the daytime. 

Item 14 in this link:

https://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/mtgviewer.aspx?meetid=8224&doctype=AGENDA

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6 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

There are plans to make the current transfer two hours which is 120 minutes which has been deferred until the 2023 budget

It's almost like if they invested money on local service, they wouldn't have to extend the transfer timeframe...

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On 11/6/2021 at 3:05 AM, Loud-Invero said:

It's almost like if they invested money on local service, they wouldn't have to extend the transfer timeframe...

I'd argue OC Transpo is due for an extension of its transfer window regardless of investment or not. Extra investment towards local service is great, but the city's also grown so that 90 minutes is insufficient for end-to-end travel within the full-time route network.

There are other things OC can do, but I'll save that for another time.

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On 5/13/2021 at 11:47 AM, Enviro_1203 said:

6481 suffered from spontaneous combustion an hour ago…

 

6481 has been decommissioned and will not return to service. The bus is being used for parts to repair other D60LFRs. The front door area of the bus has been removed to repair new collision damage to 6554 (unrelated to the collision repaired by Frankensteining it with 6677s front end).

 

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