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I made a quick stopover at Sq One today in the afternoon, some 03/05s I spotted

0310 was on the 66 McLaughlin, 09 D40LFRs and even 1357 XD60 was on it

0514 was on the 28 Confederation, lots of blue XE40s on this route

0530 was on the 8 Cawthra

0531 was on the 10 Bristol-Britannia 

 

Kipling Station is probably the best place to stop them in Etobicoke. Renforth Terminal is also a place you can go. It's not too pedestrian friendly but if you can watch them on Eglinton. A Mcdonalds nearby can provide you some food/coffee and the terminal has washrooms. 

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On 8/31/2022 at 1:11 PM, Orion_II said:

I'm not sure about the kipling area, but here at Meadowvale we get a few 03 and 05 D40LF. I've found them on route 48, and its either them, the 17XX Nova busses, or on occasion some of the newer 11XX XD40s, but its mainly the Novas or the D40LFs. The terminal itself also has a wide variety, and if you spend a day there, you'll probably catch one of everything that Miway has, or at the very least get close to it.

How nice that I saw this message right when I was heading to Meadowvale!

The trip has been quite successful so far. I got 0631 and 0641 on 7 and 24 respectively, and now 0544 on 34 to transfer at Erin Mills to go up to Meadowvale.

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On 8/26/2022 at 6:31 PM, H4 5600 said:

The 03 and 05's can pretty much show up on any 40ft run, if you go to kipling or city centre terminals, you are almost guaranteed to see some, espescially on a weekday, but there should still be some out on weekends as well.

As for the 06's, the best place to find those is at westwood terminal, as most of them are at malton garage and most of the malton routes stop there. Note that the 06's almost never come out on weekends.

I would reccomend checking transit55.ca, its a tracker site that will tell you what routes they are on, and how long they will be out.

If you see any on routes 11 or 35, i reccomend riding those ones,  as those routes have longer highway sections which are fun to ride on the older buses. I also reccomend going after 0341, imo that one is in the best condition of all remaining D40LF's.

I am happy to report that I followed this advice and the trip was a resounding success. While I did not get any 2003s, I got a lot of 2005s and 2006s.

The full details can be found here, if y'all are interested: 

 

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On 8/26/2022 at 8:53 AM, Bus_Medic said:

As it should be.

At best, producing hydrogen by electrolysis is a really, really inefficient use of energy. Energy out Vs. Energy in just to make the stuff is about 80%, without factoring in energy used to transport it to point of use. The fuel cell itself is optimistically 60% efficient.

 

At worst, the “hydrogen economy” is a bullshit astroturfing attempt by the fossil fuel industry to stay relevant. 
 

There are already better mousetraps on the market.

But internal combustion engines are only 25% efficient, and that's with 100 years of development. 

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8 hours ago, Shaun said:

But internal combustion engines are only 25% efficient, and that's with 100 years of development. 

Diesels are about 40% thermodynamically efficient, but that’s moot because I was advocating for trolley and battery electric technology over fuel cells in that post.

I was operating on the assumption that others here were intelligent enough to discern that without spoon feeding it to them.
 

Thank you for proving that wrong, yet again.

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1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said:

Diesels are about 40% thermodynamically efficient, but that’s moot because I was advocating for trolley and battery electric technology over fuel cells in that post.

I was operating on the assumption that others here were intelligent enough to discern that without spoon feeding it to them.
 

Thank you for proving that wrong, yet again.

But even nuclear power generation is only 40% efficient. So what would the efficiency of trolley busses be? More or less than a diesel bus?

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56 minutes ago, Shaun said:

But even nuclear power generation is only 40% efficient. So what would the efficiency of trolley busses be? More or less than a diesel bus?

At point of use, 95%
Here’s a link because I know you’re pathologically lazy

Check your favourite online source for the rest of the high school physics lecture. 

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Anyone know when the 10XX Orion VII EPA10s are going to be retired? They've been here for 12 years, and as far as I know, thats the service life for Miway's busses. Granted, they havent exactly kept to that with the 03 and 05 D40LFs, and 06, 07, 08, and 09 D40LFRs still being around, but still. It'd make sense from a fleet simplification standpoint.

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1 hour ago, Orion_II said:

Anyone know when the 10XX Orion VII EPA10s are going to be retired? They've been here for 12 years, and as far as I know, thats the service life for Miway's busses. Granted, they havent exactly kept to that with the 03 and 05 D40LFs, and 06, 07, 08, and 09 D40LFRs still being around, but still. It'd make sense from a fleet simplification standpoint.

The budgeted service life for MiWay buses is 15 years for 40’ and 12 years for 60’ buses, which has been in effect since 2013. What this means is the city will budget funding to replace buses based on this cycle. 

There are currently no plans to replace the 2010 Orions until at least 2025.

The 2003-2007 buses were supposed to be replaced based on the 15 year lifecycle however it was delayed to pursue federal funding for bus replacement which took a lot longer than expected to approve; and in the case of the 03s, a desire to replace the ElDorados sooner. 
 

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1 hour ago, Orion_II said:

Anyone know when the 10XX Orion VII EPA10s are going to be retired? They've been here for 12 years, and as far as I know, thats the service life for Miway's busses. Granted, they havent exactly kept to that with the 03 and 05 D40LFs, and 06, 07, 08, and 09 D40LFRs still being around, but still. It'd make sense from a fleet simplification standpoint.

12 years would be short life for them which are nothing bad currently…I think you refer to the artic buses which are targeted to be retired in 12 years, however more agencies currently will just keep them in service depending on how the new buses process.

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12 years was a standard for buses that don't go through rebuilts. A lot of TAs retire buses at that age before the computer/electronics era. Now that prices rose with all the fancy electronics, sending buses out the door at 12 years became more unaffordable. 

All the buses that go out the door these days before 12 years are usually lemons. Like the 01XX Orion VIIs, the 09xx ElDorado ez riders and TTC's unrebuilt NG hybrids.

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2 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

12 years was a standard for buses that don't go through rebuilts. A lot of TAs retire buses at that age before the computer/electronics era. Now that prices rose with all the fancy electronics, sending buses out the door at 12 years became more unaffordable. 

All the buses that go out the door these days before 12 years are usually lemons. Like the 01XX Orion VIIs, the 09xx ElDorado ez riders and TTC's unrebuilt NG hybrids.

Alot of the Eldorados were auctioned off second hand. Academy and a airport shuttle company picked up a few. There's also another company in Quebec that has two.

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14 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

12 years was a standard for buses that don't go through rebuilts. A lot of TAs retire buses at that age before the computer/electronics era. Now that prices rose with all the fancy electronics, sending buses out the door at 12 years became more unaffordable. 

All the buses that go out the door these days before 12 years are usually lemons. Like the 01XX Orion VIIs, the 09xx ElDorado ez riders and TTC's unrebuilt NG hybrids.

The 01 Orions were lemons? First I’ve heard of that. I know they were the first ever VIIs so it wouldn’t surprise me, but still

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1 hour ago, Doppelkupplung said:

The 01 Orions were lemons? First I’ve heard of that. I know they were the first ever VIIs so it wouldn’t surprise me, but still

Oh they keep catching fire. 2 of the 14 suffered early retirement cause they were burnt beyond repair. 

Then again, a handful of recent buses have caught fire and retired.

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1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Oh they keep catching fire. 2 of the 14 suffered early retirement cause they were burnt beyond repair. 

Then again, a handful of recent buses have caught fire and retired.

Miway seems to have more bus fires than other agencies. 2 of their 2017 Novas were burnt and retired when they were super new.

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8 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Oh they keep catching fire. 2 of the 14 suffered early retirement cause they were burnt beyond repair. 

Then again, a handful of recent buses have caught fire and retired.

Wonder why they went with the EPA 10s ten years later if their original VIIs were crap. Did it have something to do with funding conditions from the provincial government? Wasn't the transitway opened around the time they were delivered?

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23 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Pretty service someone at Miway would have a chat with the TTC techs about their 8100 NGs before they committed to buy from them again. They must be satisfied enough to exercise an option for more.

The MiWay 2010 Orion VII NGs were purchased long before the TTC 8100s entered service.

The answer to the question is simple, the procurement process was conducted as usual in 2009 for the 2010 buses and Orion scored the best in evaluation score and cost. This is also the same reason why no Orions were purchased between 2003 and 2009, every procurement during that period for 40' buses resulted in New Flyer having the lowest cost and best evaluation score. In 2016 the procurement method for buses changed to no longer include an evaluated score, focusing strictly on compliance with the written specifications and lowest overall cost.

Every Mississauga Transit/MiWay bus order, even dating back to the 1970s was a result of a procurement process resulting in the order being awarded based on cost and/or bid evaluation score, or a extension of a contract that was initially awarded on those factors. This was even true during the large streak of Orion purchases in the 1980s and 1990s, every single time orders went out to bid Orion had the lowest cost. The only exception were the 1997 and 2001 D60LFs, which were sole sourced because there were no competing products available at the time.

The 2001 Orions were lemons, but there are false equivalences drawn between the experience and the bus purchases following them; and it's not like MiWay hasn't had issues with products and/or support from the other manufacturers at times.

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Does anyone know when Miway is going to take delivery of 22XX busses? According to the wiki, they have 90 busses on order for this year and I dont think I've ever seen a 22XX bus before. It seems kinda late in the year to have them start delivering them. For reference this is about the 74 local XDE40 busses and the 16 XDE60 local busses.

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16 hours ago, Orion_II said:

Does anyone know when Miway is going to take delivery of 22XX busses? According to the wiki, they have 90 busses on order for this year and I dont think I've ever seen a 22XX bus before. It seems kinda late in the year to have them start delivering them. For reference this is about the 74 local XDE40 busses and the 16 XDE60 local busses.

Lot of agencies are delayed due to parts and resource shortages, you may not see 22xx series enter till 2023 

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10 hours ago, ZümmyZüm said:

Lot of agencies are delayed due to parts and resource shortages, you may not see 22xx series enter till 2023 

They are probably beginning arriving next week according to the Facebook group. They said they will expect for 10 buses per month.

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