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2 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

For the 314 buses, what year will those hey ordered?

I doubt that they'd all be for the same year unless there is a timing stipulation on the funding.  It could simply be earmarked and spent when needed.  I don't know if the City was planning on the funding, so it may shift the budget (reallocation of existing funds elsewhere or an increase in spending) for the next few years.

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On 3/5/2022 at 3:31 PM, Gil said:

The Federal news release on the announcement if anyone wants more details.  CTV Toronto has the details in an infographic/chart:

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I know I've seen a list or map of the intersections getting the queue jump lanes and signals that were piloted (not sure if the signalling was activated) at Dundas & Erin Mills but can't seem to find it right now.  But we know here that 8 intersections along both Derry and Eglinton and 9 intersections along Dixie are getting them.  Presumably they wouldn't be double-counted if the intersections of Derry & Dixe and Eglinton & Dixie were to get them.  If someone knows what I'm talking about or if I find it, I'll post it here.

The map you refer to was included with the October 2, 2019 Budget Committee agenda where the ICIP finding application was discussed and approved for submittal to the federal government. Screenshot below, as well as the full list of projects. The Liberals took their sweet time to finally confirm the funding, announcing about half the projects in the application a year ago and finally the rest last week.

On 3/5/2022 at 4:09 PM, PrimeTio said:

For the 314 buses, what year will those hey ordered?

The bus replacement project is for hybrid buses to be delivered between 2022 to 2027 inclusive, and includes the 165 buses recently ordered. As per the most recent plan presented during the 2022 budget process (screenshot below) the mix of buses for the bus replacement project has changed slightly since the initial application was made over two years ago and is currently forecast to be 294 40' buses and 56 60' buses between 2022 and 2027, for a total of 350 buses.

23 hours ago, Gil said:

I doubt that they'd all be for the same year unless there is a timing stipulation on the funding.  It could simply be earmarked and spent when needed.  I don't know if the City was planning on the funding, so it may shift the budget (reallocation of existing funds elsewhere or an increase in spending) for the next few years.

The city has been anticipating this funding for over two years, as this required municipalities to apply for funding based on eligible project criteria. One of the criteria is that any projects funded could not already be "in progress" at the time of application, and must be "substantially complete" by March 2027. This is why, for example, only parts of the Dundas and Lakeshore BRT projects were submitted for funding because only those parts could be completed by the March 2027 deadline.

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25 minutes ago, MiExpress said:

The map you refer to was included with the October 2, 2019 Budget Committee agenda where the ICIP finding application was discussed and approved for submittal to the federal government. Screenshot below, as well as the full list of projects. The Liberals took their sweet time to finally confirm the funding, announcing about half the projects in the application a year ago and finally the rest last week.

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Thanks!  I guess I didn't go back far enough in my search.  The map however has more intersections indicated than what was included in the announcement earlier this week.  Setting aside the Erin Mills intersections, which will be in the (presumably) first round of improvements along Derry, Dixie and Eglinton?  Or is this another case of the Federal funds being earmarked for certain intersections while the City (and Province?) will pay for the rest?  Seeing as Dixie and Derry are both Regional Roads but intersecting with City ones (other than Derry & Airport), who foots the bill?

The MiWay Infrastructure Growth Plan had similar looking maps which identified improvements to infrastructure, but it focused mainly on express (100-series) routes, which left out Eglinton and Dixie south of the Transitway.  It was a long report to go through (571 pages!) only to find out it wasn't what I was looking for!  There are plans for queue jump lanes in the report, but the number of intersections identified did not correspond to the number in the announcement (which was more than what was in the report). 

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4 minutes ago, DiltonPlayz said:

Ofc it was the XDE60s parked there... 

Why wouldn't it be? Political announcements always have a transit agency's newest equipment.

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Text: Help shape our City. Dundas Corridor Policy Implementation. Image: Aerial view of City in purple

Join Us! Community Meeting on March 21, 2022

Join us at a virtual community meeting on the Dundas Street Corridor. The first half of the public meeting will provide an update on the general implementation of the Dundas Connects Master Plan for the entire corridor. The second half will focus on lands east of Hurontario, specifically on Employment Area policies and flood mitigation studies and resulting policy updates.

Date: Monday, March 21, 2022

Time: 1:00 PM – 3:00 PM

Register here for the virtual community meeting!

See more information about the Dundas Corridor Policy Implementation Project here. Thank you for your participation!

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MiWay is adjusting its fare structure slightly to be more in line with neighbouring agencies starting April 1 for adults and May 1 for seniors.

Upcoming MiWay fare changes

To provide you with a savings, starting April 1 MiWay will be reducing the price of the Adult monthly pass.

Starting May 1, seniors can use their PRESTO card to pay a $1 fare during off-peak times.

Other fare prices remain unchanged.

You can find a summary of the changes below.

Adult Monthly Pass – reduced price

  • The PRESTO Adult Monthly Pass will be reduced from $135 to $131.
  • The April monthly pass will be available for purchase at the new rate on March 18.

Senior $1 fare on PRESTO – available May 1, 2022

  • Beginning May 1, seniors only need their PRESTO card to pay on MiWay.
  • The Senior $1 fare continues to be valid on weekdays from 8:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., and from 7 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.; it’s also valid all day on weekends and holidays.
  • At all other times the senior’s PRESTO fare remains at $2.10 or you can purchase a Senior Monthly Pass on PRESTO for $65.

Learn more about MiWay Fare Prices.

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What's wrong about the xde60s being parked their? they needed those buses because their hybrids and they were also announcing the 314 hybrids-electrics were getting. Why do you think the "Clean Air" PR was showing?

24 minutes ago, drum118 said:

Text: Help shape our City. Dundas Corridor Policy Implementation. Image: Aerial view of City in purple

Join Us! Community Meeting on March 21, 2022

Join us at a virtual community meeting on the Dundas Street Corridor. The first half of the public meeting will provide an update on the general implementation of the Dundas Connects Master Plan for the entire corridor. The second half will focus on lands east of Hurontario, specifically on Employment Area policies and flood mitigation studies and resulting policy updates.

Date: Monday, March 21, 2022

Time: 1:00 PM – 3:00 PM

Register here for the virtual community meeting!

See more information about the Dundas Corridor Policy Implementation Project here. Thank you for your participation!

Best,

Dundas Corridor Policy Implementation Project Teamm

Wasn't the Lakeshore BRT being planned as well? what's going on with that

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13 minutes ago, PrimeTio said:

What's wrong about the xde60s being parked their? they needed those buses because their hybrids and they were also announcing the 314 hybrids-electrics were getting. Why do you think the "Clean Air" PR was showing?

Wasn't the Lakeshore BRT being planned as well? what's going on with that

It down the road at this time as there is no need for it. Until service is down to 5 minutes or less, no need for it nor is the ridership there now.

The big issue is what to happen to the Lakeshore in Port Credit since this is the only road for everything going e-w/w-e?? Easy for an ROW east of Cawthra

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18 minutes ago, PrimeTio said:

Wasn't the Lakeshore BRT being planned as well? what's going on with that

Last week's funding announcement was for the Dundas Corridor, so I'm guessing they want to get public input while it's still fresh in people's minds.  As for the Lakeshore BRT it's such a short corridor and is somewhat dependent on the Lakeview Village development.  That is, it's not expected to be needed until the development has begun occupancy as it will (hopefully) significantly increase ridership.

If the 8 CAWTHRA doesn't get rerouted permanently into the Cawthra Transitway station, a 1-seat ride to City Centre from Lakeview Village would be an asset if they reroute the south end to Long Branch.  The modifications planned for the Long Branch GO station to make it accessible might make adding extra bus service possible.  There's still the long-term plan of extending the 185 DIXIE EXPRESS all the way to Long Branch, pending the completion of the Dixie/QEW interchange.  Aside from a possible stop at Dixie and Lakeshore it would likely run non-stop to Dixie Mall.   

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don't think anyone mentioned this but 0517 is retired and has joined the bandwagon of scrap buses at malton

Also any Chace you guys can remove the dates of when the 2008 D40s were at MTB? it only says the months/days but not the year which is confusing. This was also back in 2008

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Spotted a new promo message on MiWay buses yesterday, "Standing With Ukraine" which appear to have replaced the previous messaging on masking while on board.  Given the lifting of mask mandates just about everywhere but on transit vehicles and where medically prudent like nursing homes and hospitals, enforcing them might get trickier.

Since MiWay switched to stacked destos their promo messages are also the same size, but centred on the screen.  The old full-height text would be more appropriate.  To me it looks like the bus is whispering with the small text!

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32 minutes ago, Gil said:

Spotted a new promo message on MiWay buses yesterday, "Standing With Ukraine" which appear to have replaced the previous messaging on masking while on board.  Given the lifting of mask mandates just about everywhere but on transit vehicles and where medically prudent like nursing homes and hospitals, enforcing them might get trickier.

Since MiWay switched to stacked destos their promo messages are also the same size, but centred on the screen.  The old full-height text would be more appropriate.  To me it looks like the bus is whispering with the small text!

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Yea I also don’t know why MiWay made it so the PRs are always small, the PRs should always have a large font like the “Mississauga” PR. Also for anyone who’s been riding MiWay since the early 2000s. When the 03-05 D40s first arrived, did they sound different during the early months of them entering service? And did they have any interior changes.

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21 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

Yea I also don’t know why MiWay made it so the PRs are always small, the PRs should always have a large font like the “Mississauga” PR. Also for anyone who’s been riding MiWay since the early 2000s. When the 03-05 D40s first arrived, did they sound different during the early months of them entering service? And did they have any interior changes.

I presume based on the formatting that it's all or nothing in terms of text height for anything other than the route number and direction.  I remember seeing a photo op with GTA buses and MiWay's buses having the smallest text.

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On 3/17/2022 at 8:10 AM, PrimeTio said:

2152 has returned back to service on the 2

It was on 42 Wednesday morning. Appears the GPS doesn't work properly. 

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Even though this is only March a head up for Thanksgiving Weekend. 

You will notice in a few months a push box being built to go under the QEW off to the side of Hurontario north of the North Service Rd.

The box will be push to the centre of the road and then push under the overpass. The final details for the closure of Hurontario are is still in the hands of MTO and not finalize at this time.

The 2 is supposed to use the Queensway to/from Cawthra and the south service Rd to/from Hurontario. Again, no finalizing at this time and still a moving target.

Starting this month and for the next 4 month, the guideway is been built between Matheson and Britannia. Once completed, the St Clair style of U-turns will be new way at intersection and the removal of turning lanes mid block.  The next phase will continue north until it reach Top Flight where the LRT lines goes to the yard. The 17 and 103 may experience some delays from time to time.

The LRT line from Matheson to Top Flight will become the burn in, testing and training area. First cars is supposed to be here by year end.

1753 was removed from 3 on Sunday going eastbound at Hurontario, leaving a 42 minute gap for service.

I have yet to find an app that gives me correct info when a bus is supposed to be at a Stop.

The app on Sunday said the 3 was to be at Auckland going west in 14 minute, yet a minute later it pull up to the stop. Seen far too many buses showing up before they are due or after their schedule time.

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MiWay had posted these detours which were supposed to take effect on March 21 for routes using the Transitway, but have removed them (accidentally?).  Is the detour being deferred?  So I'll have to use the info archived on Transit Toronto.  In the first notice, the entrance to the Transitway is apparently going to be blocked due to work related to the Hurontario LRT meaning eastbound buses will need to detour between City Centre Terminal and Dixie Station.  The detour doesn't explain how passengers can access the Transitway routes at Dixie Station since it's rejoining the Transitway EAST of the station.  Presumably they can use the on-street stops for the 5 DIXIE, but it's not indicated or depicted. 

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In the second notice, the eastbound station entrance at Dixie Station will be closed (presumably to complete repairs from last year) and passengers are asked to use a temporary pedestrian crosswalk from the westbound platform to access service.

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Given that for the first week there will be no eastbound service (perhaps this is why the notice was pulled?) shouldn't they have coordinated the notices? 

GO has mentioned the closure, but that no stops would be missed:

Bus detour – Route 19, 29 and 40
Between March 21st and March 28th, part of the Mississauga Transitway will be closed due to construction. Route 19, 29, and 40 GO buses will detour, no stops will be missed.
The routes do serve Dixie station, I presume they are simply going to follow MiWay's detour routing as well?

 

 

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Are their plans to being back the 88?It’s going to be a struggle for some people heading to CWL this April who live in Mississauga. The 88 seemed like a good route, but what was the reason for the discontinue?

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1 hour ago, PrimeTio said:

Are their plans to being back the 88?It’s going to be a struggle for some people heading to CWL this April who live in Mississauga. The 88 seemed like a good route, but what was the reason for the discontinue?

No. The reason why Route 88 Wonderland Express was discontinued was due to the high cost of $10/passenger or $30 for a family of four along with low ridership. This is along with the difficulty collecting fares due to Presto, tickets, passes and transfers were not valid for this route either. 

People can take Go Transit utilizing 41, 45, 45B, 47, 56A from Square One Go Transit bus terminal to connect to Highway 407 Terminal and transfer to the 20 Jane. Looking at the fare calculator from Square One to 407 Terminal, it is $8.80 with a paper ticket or just under $8 with a Presto card for adult. Plus if coming from Go Transit, YRT allows free fare with Presto card doing the automatic calculation OR showing a paper ticket. 

Presto card, if the customer starts their trip on a MiWay bus, the appropriate deduction and adjustment will be made when tapping on Go Transit within two hours (transfer time issued on MiWay). Go Transit transfers to local transit is 3 hours since that is the transfer window allotted to other routes or local transit for discount. 

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6 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

No. The reason why Route 88 Wonderland Express was discontinued was due to the high cost of $10/passenger or $30 for a family of four along with low ridership. This is along with the difficulty collecting fares due to Presto, tickets, passes and transfers were not valid for this route either. 

People can take Go Transit utilizing 41, 45, 45B, 47, 56A from Square One Go Transit bus terminal to connect to Highway 407 Terminal and transfer to the 20 Jane. Looking at the fare calculator from Square One to 407 Terminal, it is $8.80 with a paper ticket or just under $8 with a Presto card for adult. Plus if coming from Go Transit, YRT allows free fare with Presto card doing the automatic calculation OR showing a paper ticket. 

Presto card, if the customer starts their trip on a MiWay bus, the appropriate deduction and adjustment will be made when tapping on Go Transit within two hours (transfer time issued on MiWay). Go Transit transfers to local transit is 3 hours since that is the transfer window allotted to other routes or local transit for discount. 

There is the additional option, if the weekend GO passes continues for the foreseeable future of using that for a $10 round trip for a single day or $15 for the whole (long) weekend.  The tradeoff being that you cannot access the free co-fare with those passes.  Perhaps if they decide to make it permanent they can figure out a way to include them with the co-fare?  It'd essentially be like showing the driver a transfer, as long as they (drivers) know what to look for to ensure that they're valid.

For those who decide to get a season's pass for Wonderland, the $15 weekend GO pass is a deal even if you have to pay for the local connections separately.  Or there'll be a steady stream of rideshares between 407 Station and Wonderland for those who can't be bothered to wait for the YRT bus!  Reroute the 760 VAUGHAN MILLS/WONDERLAND into 407 Station or have weekend express on the 20 JANE (direct between 407 and possibly VMC Stations to Wonderland)?

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Cross-posting from the Motorcoach forum:

On 3/25/2022 at 2:56 PM, Flalex72 said:

Quite a network right off the bat:

Toronto to Ottawa
- No Trips T, W
- 1x daily Th, F, S, Su, M
Toronto to St. Catherines, Niagara Falls
- 1x daily T, W
- 2x daily Th, F, S, Su, M
Toronto to Mississauga, Guelph, Kitchener, University of Waterloo
- 1x daily T, W
- 2x daily Th, F, S, Su, M

Complete list of stops is:
Toronto
- 8 York St
- "Bus will stop on York Street between Queens Quay West and Harbour Street. Bus will board on the west side of the street at the Motorcoach Loading Zone."

Mississauga
- Duke of York Blvd (between Prince of Wales Dr and Princess Royal Dr)
- "Bus will stop on the south side of Duke of York Blvd, between Prince of Wales Dr and Princess Royal Dr in front of the Living Arts Centre in Mississauga, ON"

St. Catherines
- Carlisle Street (between King St and Church St)
- "Bus will stop on the north side of Carlisle Street in St. Catherines, Ontario near the corner with King Street."

Niagara Falls
- 8700 Fallsview Blvd
- "Our stop is located at the Embassy Suites Fallsview in Niagara Falls, ON. Bus will stop on the curb next to the Starbucks and The Keg along Portage Road."

Guelph
- 139 Carden St
- "Bus will stop at Gate 15 at Guelph Central Station on Macdonnell Street in Guelph, ON."

Kitchener
- 1 Victoria St
- "Bus will stop at 1 Victoria Street South in Kitchener, Ontario, near The Round Table"

University of Waterloo (Only shows up when you search Kitchener)
- 295 Phillip St

Ottawa
- 33 George St
- "Bus will board on George Street between Sussex Street and the ByWard Market. Bus will board on north side of the street at the bus loading zone."

Directional error aside (that should read WEST side of Duke of York) does MiWay eventually hope to restore service along Duke of York once all of the Burnhamthorpe Water Project is complete?  Its a short enough walk to get to the CCTT or the GO's Square One Terminal or a block over to Living Arts to catch the 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS or 8 CAWTHRA.  I don't know what ridership demand is like in the area, but the 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS has to make so many turns in the area just to avoid the construction.  Of course the regular road closures for events around City Hall mean detours for everyone (including new Flixbus)!

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2 minutes ago, West Island Transit Fan said:

Spotted 0531 twice today: on the 5 and 1C. According to Transit55, there were only 32 minutes between the end of its run on the 5 and the start of its run on the 1. How is this possible if the 5 runs out of Malton but the 1 runs out of Central Parkway?

All service is operated out of Central on weekends.

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59 minutes ago, Articulated said:

All service is operated out of Central on weekends.

Oh wow didn't know that, thanks. That explains why so few 06xx run on weekends. Are there drivers assigned to Malton then or can Miway drivers be assigned any run out of either garage? If it is the former, then that seems nice having guaranteed weekends off.

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4 hours ago, West Island Transit Fan said:

Oh wow didn't know that, thanks. That explains why so few 06xx run on weekends. Are there drivers assigned to Malton then or can Miway drivers be assigned any run out of either garage? If it is the former, then that seems nice having guaranteed weekends off.

CP drivers can be assigned to any route which includes Malton routes. Malton drivers can be assigned on any routes which includes CP routes (weekend)/(weekday). In the other news, seems like MiWay wants to retire all diesel buses by 2028 according to a meeting with the DOT and a few others, but considering some buses won’t be 14 years old by than I assume it won’t happen. Seems like MiWay is in a hurry to replace all diesel buses eh?

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