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21 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

Yea I also don’t know why MiWay made it so the PRs are always small, the PRs should always have a large font like the “Mississauga” PR. Also for anyone who’s been riding MiWay since the early 2000s. When the 03-05 D40s first arrived, did they sound different during the early months of them entering service? And did they have any interior changes.

I presume based on the formatting that it's all or nothing in terms of text height for anything other than the route number and direction.  I remember seeing a photo op with GTA buses and MiWay's buses having the smallest text.

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Even though this is only March a head up for Thanksgiving Weekend. 

You will notice in a few months a push box being built to go under the QEW off to the side of Hurontario north of the North Service Rd.

The box will be push to the centre of the road and then push under the overpass. The final details for the closure of Hurontario are is still in the hands of MTO and not finalize at this time.

The 2 is supposed to use the Queensway to/from Cawthra and the south service Rd to/from Hurontario. Again, no finalizing at this time and still a moving target.

Starting this month and for the next 4 month, the guideway is been built between Matheson and Britannia. Once completed, the St Clair style of U-turns will be new way at intersection and the removal of turning lanes mid block.  The next phase will continue north until it reach Top Flight where the LRT lines goes to the yard. The 17 and 103 may experience some delays from time to time.

The LRT line from Matheson to Top Flight will become the burn in, testing and training area. First cars is supposed to be here by year end.

1753 was removed from 3 on Sunday going eastbound at Hurontario, leaving a 42 minute gap for service.

I have yet to find an app that gives me correct info when a bus is supposed to be at a Stop.

The app on Sunday said the 3 was to be at Auckland going west in 14 minute, yet a minute later it pull up to the stop. Seen far too many buses showing up before they are due or after their schedule time.

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MiWay had posted these detours which were supposed to take effect on March 21 for routes using the Transitway, but have removed them (accidentally?).  Is the detour being deferred?  So I'll have to use the info archived on Transit Toronto.  In the first notice, the entrance to the Transitway is apparently going to be blocked due to work related to the Hurontario LRT meaning eastbound buses will need to detour between City Centre Terminal and Dixie Station.  The detour doesn't explain how passengers can access the Transitway routes at Dixie Station since it's rejoining the Transitway EAST of the station.  Presumably they can use the on-street stops for the 5 DIXIE, but it's not indicated or depicted. 

Detour_TransitwayEast-Mar21.jpg

In the second notice, the eastbound station entrance at Dixie Station will be closed (presumably to complete repairs from last year) and passengers are asked to use a temporary pedestrian crosswalk from the westbound platform to access service.

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Given that for the first week there will be no eastbound service (perhaps this is why the notice was pulled?) shouldn't they have coordinated the notices? 

GO has mentioned the closure, but that no stops would be missed:

Bus detour – Route 19, 29 and 40
Between March 21st and March 28th, part of the Mississauga Transitway will be closed due to construction. Route 19, 29, and 40 GO buses will detour, no stops will be missed.
The routes do serve Dixie station, I presume they are simply going to follow MiWay's detour routing as well?

 

 

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1 hour ago, PrimeTio said:

Are their plans to being back the 88?It’s going to be a struggle for some people heading to CWL this April who live in Mississauga. The 88 seemed like a good route, but what was the reason for the discontinue?

No. The reason why Route 88 Wonderland Express was discontinued was due to the high cost of $10/passenger or $30 for a family of four along with low ridership. This is along with the difficulty collecting fares due to Presto, tickets, passes and transfers were not valid for this route either. 

People can take Go Transit utilizing 41, 45, 45B, 47, 56A from Square One Go Transit bus terminal to connect to Highway 407 Terminal and transfer to the 20 Jane. Looking at the fare calculator from Square One to 407 Terminal, it is $8.80 with a paper ticket or just under $8 with a Presto card for adult. Plus if coming from Go Transit, YRT allows free fare with Presto card doing the automatic calculation OR showing a paper ticket. 

Presto card, if the customer starts their trip on a MiWay bus, the appropriate deduction and adjustment will be made when tapping on Go Transit within two hours (transfer time issued on MiWay). Go Transit transfers to local transit is 3 hours since that is the transfer window allotted to other routes or local transit for discount. 

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6 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

No. The reason why Route 88 Wonderland Express was discontinued was due to the high cost of $10/passenger or $30 for a family of four along with low ridership. This is along with the difficulty collecting fares due to Presto, tickets, passes and transfers were not valid for this route either. 

People can take Go Transit utilizing 41, 45, 45B, 47, 56A from Square One Go Transit bus terminal to connect to Highway 407 Terminal and transfer to the 20 Jane. Looking at the fare calculator from Square One to 407 Terminal, it is $8.80 with a paper ticket or just under $8 with a Presto card for adult. Plus if coming from Go Transit, YRT allows free fare with Presto card doing the automatic calculation OR showing a paper ticket. 

Presto card, if the customer starts their trip on a MiWay bus, the appropriate deduction and adjustment will be made when tapping on Go Transit within two hours (transfer time issued on MiWay). Go Transit transfers to local transit is 3 hours since that is the transfer window allotted to other routes or local transit for discount. 

There is the additional option, if the weekend GO passes continues for the foreseeable future of using that for a $10 round trip for a single day or $15 for the whole (long) weekend.  The tradeoff being that you cannot access the free co-fare with those passes.  Perhaps if they decide to make it permanent they can figure out a way to include them with the co-fare?  It'd essentially be like showing the driver a transfer, as long as they (drivers) know what to look for to ensure that they're valid.

For those who decide to get a season's pass for Wonderland, the $15 weekend GO pass is a deal even if you have to pay for the local connections separately.  Or there'll be a steady stream of rideshares between 407 Station and Wonderland for those who can't be bothered to wait for the YRT bus!  Reroute the 760 VAUGHAN MILLS/WONDERLAND into 407 Station or have weekend express on the 20 JANE (direct between 407 and possibly VMC Stations to Wonderland)?

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Cross-posting from the Motorcoach forum:

On 3/25/2022 at 2:56 PM, Flalex72 said:

Quite a network right off the bat:

Toronto to Ottawa
- No Trips T, W
- 1x daily Th, F, S, Su, M
Toronto to St. Catherines, Niagara Falls
- 1x daily T, W
- 2x daily Th, F, S, Su, M
Toronto to Mississauga, Guelph, Kitchener, University of Waterloo
- 1x daily T, W
- 2x daily Th, F, S, Su, M

Complete list of stops is:
Toronto
- 8 York St
- "Bus will stop on York Street between Queens Quay West and Harbour Street. Bus will board on the west side of the street at the Motorcoach Loading Zone."

Mississauga
- Duke of York Blvd (between Prince of Wales Dr and Princess Royal Dr)
- "Bus will stop on the south side of Duke of York Blvd, between Prince of Wales Dr and Princess Royal Dr in front of the Living Arts Centre in Mississauga, ON"

St. Catherines
- Carlisle Street (between King St and Church St)
- "Bus will stop on the north side of Carlisle Street in St. Catherines, Ontario near the corner with King Street."

Niagara Falls
- 8700 Fallsview Blvd
- "Our stop is located at the Embassy Suites Fallsview in Niagara Falls, ON. Bus will stop on the curb next to the Starbucks and The Keg along Portage Road."

Guelph
- 139 Carden St
- "Bus will stop at Gate 15 at Guelph Central Station on Macdonnell Street in Guelph, ON."

Kitchener
- 1 Victoria St
- "Bus will stop at 1 Victoria Street South in Kitchener, Ontario, near The Round Table"

University of Waterloo (Only shows up when you search Kitchener)
- 295 Phillip St

Ottawa
- 33 George St
- "Bus will board on George Street between Sussex Street and the ByWard Market. Bus will board on north side of the street at the bus loading zone."

Directional error aside (that should read WEST side of Duke of York) does MiWay eventually hope to restore service along Duke of York once all of the Burnhamthorpe Water Project is complete?  Its a short enough walk to get to the CCTT or the GO's Square One Terminal or a block over to Living Arts to catch the 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS or 8 CAWTHRA.  I don't know what ridership demand is like in the area, but the 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS has to make so many turns in the area just to avoid the construction.  Of course the regular road closures for events around City Hall mean detours for everyone (including new Flixbus)!

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2 minutes ago, West Island Transit Fan said:

Spotted 0531 twice today: on the 5 and 1C. According to Transit55, there were only 32 minutes between the end of its run on the 5 and the start of its run on the 1. How is this possible if the 5 runs out of Malton but the 1 runs out of Central Parkway?

All service is operated out of Central on weekends.

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59 minutes ago, Articulated said:

All service is operated out of Central on weekends.

Oh wow didn't know that, thanks. That explains why so few 06xx run on weekends. Are there drivers assigned to Malton then or can Miway drivers be assigned any run out of either garage? If it is the former, then that seems nice having guaranteed weekends off.

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4 hours ago, West Island Transit Fan said:

Oh wow didn't know that, thanks. That explains why so few 06xx run on weekends. Are there drivers assigned to Malton then or can Miway drivers be assigned any run out of either garage? If it is the former, then that seems nice having guaranteed weekends off.

CP drivers can be assigned to any route which includes Malton routes. Malton drivers can be assigned on any routes which includes CP routes (weekend)/(weekday). In the other news, seems like MiWay wants to retire all diesel buses by 2028 according to a meeting with the DOT and a few others, but considering some buses won’t be 14 years old by than I assume it won’t happen. Seems like MiWay is in a hurry to replace all diesel buses eh?

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Malton routes (crews) are still operated by Malton based drivers on weekends, except they report to Central rather than Malton. 

9 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

CP drivers can be assigned to any route which includes Malton routes. Malton drivers can be assigned on any routes which includes CP routes (weekend)/(weekday). In the other news, seems like MiWay wants to retire all diesel buses by 2028 according to a meeting with the DOT and a few others, but considering some buses won’t be 14 years old by than I assume it won’t happen. Seems like MiWay is in a hurry to replace all diesel buses eh?

Of course it isn't going to happen, because 2028 is when MiWay projects they will stop purchasing diesel powered buses, the full transition to zero emission bus fleet is currently projected for 2042. There is also no such thing as the "DOT" by the way. 

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1 minute ago, MiExpress said:

Malton routes (crews) are still operated by Malton based drivers on weekends, except they report to Central rather than Malton. 

Of course it isn't going to happen, because 2028 is when MiWay projects they will stop purchasing diesel powered buses, the full transition to zero emission bus fleet is currently projected for 2042. There is also no such thing as the "DOT" by the way. 

Director Of Transit?

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17 minutes ago, MiExpress said:

Malton routes (crews) are still operated by Malton based drivers on weekends, except they report to Central rather than Malton. 

Of course it isn't going to happen, because 2028 is when MiWay projects they will stop purchasing diesel powered buses, the full transition to zero emission bus fleet is currently projected for 2042. There is also no such thing as the "DOT" by the way. 

 

15 minutes ago, PrimeTio said:

Director Of Transit?

The common interpretation for DOT is the American (Federal, State-level and in some cases County or Municipal) Department of Transportation, which would be the equivalent to the Ministry of Transportation (or MTO - does the O stand for Ontario or is it an anachronism from when it included something else?  The Ministry of Health is shortened to MOH/MoH, so wouldn't that extend to MOT/MoT?)  Mississauga does have a Department of Transportation and Public Works which includes MiWay.  I don't know if it's been permanently renamed Transportation and Streets or if that's just what's listed on the City's website to give it a more identifiable name to the public.

The Service Updates advises that the 68 TERRY FOX will not be operating on Good Friday.  Again, Sunday (and by extension somewhat Holiday) service was cut on this route as of September last year.  When ridership levels recover will MiWay get rid of the Sunday/Holiday service distinction?

68 Terry Fox North (1 update)
Upcoming
  • April 15, 2022

    On Good Friday, Friday, April 15, 2022, this route will not operate to match low customer demand.

68 Terry Fox South (1 update)
Upcoming
  • April 15, 2022

    On Good Friday, Friday, April 15, 2022, this route will not operate to match low customer demand.

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1 hour ago, PrimeTio said:

Director Of Transit?

The first thing that came to mind was Department of Transportation as Gil stated. No need to use vague and confusing acronyms when you could have just spelled out 'Director'. Also, not even two pages ago on this thread was a full summary of MiWay's electrification plans including the 2028 date to stop purchasing diesel buses and the 2042 target date for full electrification. You even 'liked' that post so no need to post inaccurate speculation when you are aware of the actual facts.

1 hour ago, Gil said:

Mississauga does have a Department of Transportation and Public Works which includes MiWay.  I don't know if it's been permanently renamed Transportation and Streets or if that's just what's listed on the City's website to give it a more identifiable name to the public.

It's the Transportation and Works department of which MiWay is a division. https://www.mississauga.ca/our-organization/leadership-team/

1 hour ago, Gil said:

The Service Updates advises that the 68 TERRY FOX will not be operating on Good Friday.  Again, Sunday (and by extension somewhat Holiday) service was cut on this route as of September last year.  When ridership levels recover will MiWay get rid of the Sunday/Holiday service distinction?

The service change memo for the September 2021 board period which included the cancellation of 90's Saturday service and 68's Sunday service indicated the cut was permanent and not a temporary COVID service reduction. Weekday service on the 68 was also reduced in February being cut from 30 minutes service to 60 minutes by removing a bus from service.

The 68 didn't do too bad for Sunday ridership prior to the pandemic as the attached boarding stats show. Taking the ranges of 148-195 Sunday boardings that's a average of 18-24 boardings per service hour on Sundays, and it would have been interesting to see what the numbers would have looked like if not for the terrible Sunday service span (8 hours, 9am-5pm). The 68 service area also had other established routes nearby (10, 34, 35, 38, 39, 61) which meant it could be cut without stranding ridership.

68 Sunday ridership 2019.pdf

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1 hour ago, MiExpress said:

The first thing that came to mind was Department of Transportation as Gil stated. No need to use vague and confusing acronyms when you could have just spelled out 'Director'. Also, not even two pages ago on this thread was a full summary of MiWay's electrification plans including the 2028 date to stop purchasing diesel buses and the 2042 target date for full electrification. You even 'liked' that post so no need to post inaccurate speculation when you are aware of the actual facts.

It's the Transportation and Works department of which MiWay is a division. https://www.mississauga.ca/our-organization/leadership-team/

 

The service change memo for the September 2021 board period which included the cancellation of 90's Saturday service and 68's Sunday service indicated the cut was permanent and not a temporary COVID service reduction. Weekday service on the 68 was also reduced in February being cut from 30 minutes service to 60 minutes by removing a bus from service.

The 68 didn't do too bad for Sunday ridership prior to the pandemic as the attached boarding stats show. Taking the ranges of 148-195 Sunday boardings that's a average of 18-24 boardings per service hour on Sundays, and it would have been interesting to see what the numbers would have looked like if not for the terrible Sunday service span (8 hours, 9am-5pm). The 68 service area also had other established routes nearby (10, 34, 35, 38, 39, 61) which meant it could be cut without stranding ridership.

68 Sunday ridership 2019.pdf 141.53 kB · 3 downloads

Whomever is posting the updates apparently didn't get the memo that the 68 TERRY FOX no longer has Sunday (or Holiday) service.  They've posted the same advisory for New Year's Day, Family Day and now Good Friday.  Strangely no notice for Easter which since it's a Sunday means no service either.  I didn't post the Christmas holiday service changes (they are summarized on Transit Toronto) so I don't know if got included there as well.

I had hoped there'd be more increased granularity with the services offered on weekends (Saturdays, Sundays/Holidays) to eventually match the weekday service to foster use in the system.  Rush hour peak routes are a different matter as they tend to cater to a different crowd, though some industrial areas in Mississauga do operate 7 days a week.  Introducing service is the first step, hopefully giving it enough time to allow ridership to grow to be able to expand the service hours.  The only holiday service cut I am comfortable with is the 35 EGLINTON since it duplicates (for the most part) the 7 AIRPORT and 34 CREDIT VALLEY.  The other routes (6 CREDIT WOODLANDS - which isn't listed this time, 28 CONFEDERATION, 46 TENTH LINE-OSPREY, 48 ERIN MILLS) offer that shorter "last mile" connection with a more granular service network.  I'm surprised with the connections at Mississauga Hospital and Credit Valley Hospital that the 28 CONFEDERATION and 48 ERIN MILLS don't see more passengers to warrant holiday service.

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The Service Changes for April 25 came out yesterday (I think):

Service Changes on Monday, April 25

On April 25, 2022, MiWay will be implementing service changes that include a seasonal service reduction on Route 107 Malton Express, a routing change to Route 5 Dixie on Sunday and schedule adjustments on several routes to improve service reliability.

Seasonal service reduction on Route 107 Malton Express

Due to low customer demand during the summer academic term, Route 107 Malton Express will not travel to the Humber College North Campus in Toronto. It will provide weekday service between the City Centre Transit Terminal and Westwood Square Transit Terminal. Customers can continue to take the Route 22 Finch to the Humber College North Campus.

Consistent routing on Route 5 Dixie

The Route 5 Dixie routing will be revised on Sundays to match the current routing on weekdays and Saturdays. Sunday schedules will be updated.

View the revised routing.

Schedule adjustments

Schedule adjustments will be made on several routes to improve service reliability:

  • 24 Northwest (weekday)
  • 26 Burnhamthorpe (weekday)
  • 28 Confederation (weekday)
  • 35 Eglinton-Ninth Line (weekday)
  • 36 Colonial-Ridgeway (weekday)
  • 42 Derry (weekday)
  • 43 Matheson-Argentia (weekday)
  • 44 Mississauga Road (weekday)
  • 66 McLaughlin (Saturday)
  • 101/101A Dundas Express (weekday)

Holiday service

On Victoria Day, Monday, May 23, 2022, buses will operate on a holiday schedule. Some routes will not operate due to low customer demand, including:

  • 28 Confederation
  • 35 Eglinton-Ninth Line
  • 46 Tenth Line-Osprey
  • 48 Erin Mills

All routes in the transit system continue to be monitored regularly so that service levels are responsive to customers’ needs. Service levels may continue to change with shifts in demand as travel and traffic patterns evolve in response to the COVID-19 pandemic and recovery framework.

There's the typical truncation of the 107 MALTON EXPRESS from Humber College to Westwood, along with changing the Sunday/Holiday routing of the 5 DIXIE to match the rest of the week (continuing up to Cardiff instead of looping at Derry).  When Sunday service was introduced on the 42 DERRY why wasn't the 5 DIXIE changed back then?  Previous to that the 5 DIXIE continued east on Derry to Westwood.

The 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS appears to have picked up enough ridership to keep running on Victoria Day and it looks like they may have gotten the memo about the 68 TERRY FOX not being an option.  Though (I'd be glad if I'm proven wrong) I think the notices and advisories are probably put up by different people who aren't all on the same page, hence the conflicting messaging.

The bridge work at Old Derry Rd. and the Credit River should be done by now (based on the traffic coming off Old Creditview), I take it no one's complaining too loudly about the loss of service through Meadowvale Village.  I would have thought the Credit Valley Conservation Authority would have been the most vocal about having some service along Old Derry Rd.  Extending the 42A past Mavis to Financial even if it's only rush hour service would be a starting point to restoring service (once budgeting allows as it would like require another bus to maintain the headway).

I know not only MiWay, but also Brampton Transit and GO Transit would like a single terminal which they could serve the Financial Dr. area.  Looking at the satellite maps from Google there's one vacant parcel of land across from the RBC towers, but I don't know if it's already been sold and just awaiting construction.  The only other alternative for a facility would be to take over part of an existing parking lot along Financial, which in light of the work-from-home phenomenon might work.  Any increase in on-site staffing could be countered by having a transit terminal at their doorstep.

All of this to say that we probably won't see service on Creditview north of Argentia until such a facility is built.  The bridge over the 401 has been open to vehicular traffic (but not pedestrians, despite proof to the contrary) since December.  It looks like separated bike lanes are being built (likely to connect the Culham Trail past the 401).  Not knowing the passenger demand in the area, I don't know which is more feasible: running both 38 and 38A CREDITVIEW during the week (likely with a modification to the 43 MATHESON-ARGENTIA), a 38 (B?) rush hour branch to Financial or an extension of the 68 TERRY FOX to Financial possibly restoring two-way service along Bancroft.  The loss of a north-south connection from Financial with the re-routing of the 61 MAVIS may have been masked by the pandemic.

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@Gil

 

About your post regards to the brochures (in a different topic), I was able to get a photo of one on an 07 which I rode today. Seems like MiWay hasn’t removed these considering it’s been quite some time since they removed those brochures. Would be cool if they added other stuff to that.

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3 hours ago, PrimeTio said:

@Gil

 

About your post regards to the brochures (in a different topic), I was able to get a photo of one on an 07 which I rode today. Seems like MiWay hasn’t removed these considering it’s been quite some time since they removed those brochures. Would be cool if they added other stuff to that.

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They seem to be a standard feature on the Novas as other GTA agencies have one built into the bulkhead behind the driver.  Brampton Transit used it to put their route schedule/timetables, which given how the buses are allocated throughout the network meant more than one set in the racks.  YRT uses them for their system maps.  MiWay did use them during COVID to distribute flyers promote proper mask-wearing before there was concern about COVID possibly being spread by physical contact.  I don't know what the other agencies did with them.  The TTC has hooks similar to what MiWay had to distribute In Transit when they were still printing them. 

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