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3 hours ago, Gil said:

It has been speculated that Kipling would open in early December.  MiWay may be the initial tenant if GO hasn't figured out whether there currently is demand for bus service to Kipling.  A branch of the 21 MILTON service would likely also mean increasing service to Dixie GO especially on weekends where it is currently not served.  It was also anticipated that services currently terminating at Square One would get extended to Kipling, but COVID is messing with demand and forecasting.

The TTC is eager for MiWay to relocate to Kipling given the state of Islington's terminal.  Steve Munro hasn't mentioned anything in the remaining TTC Service Changes for 2020.  With duplicated service along the entire length of Burnhamthorpe there are probably still some details to be worked out between MiWay, TTC and Metrolinx.

I'm curious once a fare agreement is reached how or if trip patterns will change with a Burnhamthorpe route connecting with both Islington and Kipling stations.

Probably a stupid question but here goes. Is there any plan for what is to come to Islington Stn once Miway moves out?

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8 hours ago, TTC Guy said:

Probably a stupid question but here goes. Is there any plan for what is to come to Islington Stn once Miway moves out?

The TTC is gonna redevelop the the Islington bus terminal they'll more than likely demolish the existing terminal to build a new one that's AODA compliant and won't require more than one elevator once MiWay is gone. Oh, and obviously the TTC will be the only one servicing it now. Likewise for Warden.

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11 hours ago, TTC Guy said:

Probably a stupid question but here goes. Is there any plan for what is to come to Islington Stn once Miway moves out?

The last plan I saw had TTC tearing down the existing terminal in 2021 and move TTC buses to the south end where miWay buses used the outside platforms. A new traffic intersection at Aberforyle Cr will be built at to allow TTC buses to enter/exit the new terminal. A smaller Kiss & Ride Area as well taxi parking will be built as well. This was to happen a few years ago.

A new 3/4 bay bus platform to be built next to CP tracks with ADOA access that should have 2 elevators for all locations. Space was to be there for a miWay Route.

The rest of the parking lot and the existing terminal will be redeveloped for affordable housing.

Tridel sales office lease expired at the end of the year and no idea of any extension. Since 2 of the 3 towers are built, easy to move the sale office into one of them that been done on other projects, 

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On 11/20/2020 at 3:14 PM, Gil said:

Has an official date been set for opening the Kipling Hub?  I was over on Transit Toronto and noticed they had recently updated their page on Kipling Station.  It seems to have been future-proofed by talking about the Hub as if it were opened and interestingly they give December 5, 2020 as the effective date.  That being a Saturday is it a soft launch?  The TTC usually implements things on a Sunday, MiWay on a Monday and GO/Metrolinx on a Wednesday which doesn't quite line up with the date mentioned.  Then again, it could well be an arbitrary date which they'll fix once it opens.  The date is probably easier to change than rewriting the article!

My understanding is that the hand-over date is December 5th, which is the date which Mississauga Transit would be given access to the facility to make whatever changes or installations they needed, and to start their training. This is not an operational start date.

 

Considering that the hand-over date for the new Union Station Terminal was in early June, and that they started testing with buses shortly after that but service is only starting in 2 weeks from now, I would expect that we won't start seeing service into the facility until March or so.

 

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2 hours ago, smallspy said:

My understanding is that the hand-over date is December 5th, which is the date which Mississauga Transit would be given access to the facility to make whatever changes or installations they needed, and to start their training. This is not an operational start date.

 

Considering that the hand-over date for the new Union Station Terminal was in early June, and that they started testing with buses shortly after that but service is only starting in 2 weeks from now, I would expect that we won't start seeing service into the facility until March or so.

 

Dan

MiWay's training department as well as the union health and safety committee began conducting testing runs at Kipling in mid-October.

While there has been much speculation about the date, the current board period (October 26-December 20) schedules and driver crewing is based on service to Islington Station, as is the 2 week holiday board period (December 21-January 3). However, the schedules for the January 4, 2021 board period are based on operating from Kipling Station. 

Given that MiWay's move to Kipling Station comes with a host of routing and schedule changes, a move to Kipling in the middle of a board period would be awkward. Many of the routes will also have buses eliminated due to the shorter routing and this impacts driver crewing. Given those factors, I think it's fair to speculate that service to Kipling will begin on January 4 with the start of a new board period. However, that is just my opinion based on the situation and it's entirely possible service could begin on a different date than that, with 'interim' schedules and a lot of confusion!

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I found this document on the City of Mississauga's website pertaining to the Kipling Terminal:

Kiplng Bus Terminal - Bus Access, Operations and Maintenance Agreement

It is however missing the attachments, which are found at the end of the full Council Meeting agenda.  The attachments consist of two drawings, one consisting of MiWay's exclusive use areas in the new Kipling Terminal.  The other is the latest and likely ultimate configuration of the Terminal and surrounding amenities.

The agreement mentioned that the end date for Islington being December 31, 2020.  If they are indeed waiting until January 4, 2021 what kind of arrangement is made for the three days?  Is there an agreement rate for a shorter period of time, is it pro-rated, or does the TTC simply throw out a (reasonable) number to bridge the dates between the end of the agreement and the actual move-out date?

The cynic in me thinks the reason why the proposed 2020 System Map was never updated since June was that they were looking to make the move to Kipling in 2021.  They did after all describe the map as what the system would look like at the end of 2020.  There are still a few glaring changes that haven't been implemented.  Unless they plan on implementing them all at the same time as the move to Kipling.  Cooksville GO should definitely be done by then, right?  Churchill Meadows is deferred to the Spring, but I assume the majority of the work to be completed aside from landscaping will be inside, so they could start looping buses in January.  As for the restructuring on the lower section of the Dixie corridor, I don't know what the hold up there is either.  I was thinking the elimination of the 4 SHERWAY trips to Islington would have been the impetus to introduce service to Dixie GO.

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A bit of rather unfortunate news from Sunday afternoon.  A 28-year old motorcyclist was killed in a collision with a MiWay artic (#1772 based on the photo in the CBC coverage) on Mavis Rd. at Novo Star/Crawford Mills.  Mavis Rd. was closed for much of the afternoon and into the evening between the 401 and Derry for the investigation.  The victim was taken to hospital where he later succumbed to his injuries.  He was identified as Gilberto Garcia from Mississauga.

Based on the location of the bus where it was taped off for investigation it looks like the accident occurred as it was turning left onto Crawford Mills from Mavis.

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32 minutes ago, Tramguy said:

When might we see MiWay 1796 back in revenue service?  It's been two years and two months?

Both 1738 and 1796 are decommissioned as the damage from the fires was extensive. If previous fire victims are any indication the city will likely add a replacement bus to a future order using whatever settlement money was received to help offset the cost.

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On 11/22/2020 at 12:49 PM, MiExpress said:

MiWay's training department as well as the union health and safety committee began conducting testing runs at Kipling in mid-October.

While there has been much speculation about the date, the current board period (October 26-December 20) schedules and driver crewing is based on service to Islington Station, as is the 2 week holiday board period (December 21-January 3). However, the schedules for the January 4, 2021 board period are based on operating from Kipling Station. 

Given that MiWay's move to Kipling Station comes with a host of routing and schedule changes, a move to Kipling in the middle of a board period would be awkward. Many of the routes will also have buses eliminated due to the shorter routing and this impacts driver crewing. Given those factors, I think it's fair to speculate that service to Kipling will begin on January 4 with the start of a new board period. However, that is just my opinion based on the situation and it's entirely possible service could begin on a different date than that, with 'interim' schedules and a lot of confusion!

Latest word on Kipling is that it will indeed open on January 4 but the tunnel connection to the subway will not be complete. There is talk of a shuttle bus service to transport people to/from the terminal. 

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Holiday service schedule starting December 20th and January 4th posted:

https://www.mississauga.ca/miway-transit/service-changes/holiday-service-dates-for-2020/

https://www.mississauga.ca/miway-transit/service-changes/jan-4-2021-service-changes/

 

The key takeaway is that there is no free or extended New Years Eve service due to COVID-19. 

Free transit was provided due to the pandemic until a barrier solution could be provided regarding the handling of paper transfers before a printed version became available. This is along with rear door boarding where possible and capacity limits. Since most transit agencies could not collect fares from the rear door, it is pretty much an easy solution. Even if people wanted to pay, how would the cash be handled along with tickets which requires front-door boarding. 

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On 12/7/2020 at 7:08 PM, MiExpress said:

Latest word on Kipling is that it will indeed open on January 4 but the tunnel connection to the subway will not be complete. There is talk of a shuttle bus service to transport people to/from the terminal. 

Based on the Jan. 4 Service Changes below it looks like they won't be switching over to the Kipling Terminal.  If the tunnel isn't complete they can still access the subway via the GO platform.  Of course it won't be accessible which is probably why they're holding off on the transfer.

They had a tease of a Service Change announcement for Dec. 7 which turned out to be lockdown-related service reductions.

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MiWay will be implementing service changes on Dec. 7 as we adjust service levels in response to the COVID-19 grey level lockdown. Routes impacted: 61, 103, 107, 109, 305, 306, 310, and 347. Please see below for details.

Google has apparently started identifying the platforms at Kipling, even though there's currently no scheduled service.

Kipling Terminal Google.png

15 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

Holiday service schedule starting December 20th and January 4th posted:

https://www.mississauga.ca/miway-transit/service-changes/holiday-service-dates-for-2020/

https://www.mississauga.ca/miway-transit/service-changes/jan-4-2021-service-changes/

 

The key takeaway is that there is no free or extended New Years Eve service due to COVID-19. 

Free transit was provided due to the pandemic until a barrier solution could be provided regarding the handling of paper transfers before a printed version became available. This is along with rear door boarding where possible and capacity limits. Since most transit agencies could not collect fares from the rear door, it is pretty much an easy solution. Even if people wanted to pay, how would the cash be handled along with tickets which requires front-door boarding. 

Similar to the measure the TTC is taking, in an attempt to dissuade people from gathering to celebrate New Year's service is not being extended.  It was never really clear who was paying for the free service after 7pm, but if it was coming out of the City's budget, then I can see why they wouldn't be offering it this year.

The Holiday Service Changes include the now seemingly standardized list of routes not operating on Christmas and New Year's Day (and Family Day with the Jan. 4 notice) - 6 CREDIT WOODLANDS (Christmas and New Year's only), 28 CONFEDERATION (Family Day only), 35 EGLINTON, 46 TENTH LINE-OSPREY, 48 ERIN MILLS and 68 TERRY FOX.  If this is a result of budgetary shortfalls from COVID how much longer will the reduced holiday service continue?  As it would probably be time to just have a separate Sunday and Holiday Service Map.

For posterity, here's the Dec. 20, 2020 Service Change notice:

Holiday service – December 21, 2020 to January 3, 2021

Regular service will resume on Monday, January 4, 2021.

This year MiWay will not offer extended evening service or free rides on New Year’s Eve, in light of COVID-19 restrictions on social gatherings.

Some routes will have less frequent weekday service

From Monday, Dec. 21, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021 the following routes will operate with less frequent weekday service based on reduced customer demand during this time:

  • 3 Bloor
  • 26 Burnhamthorpe
  • 35 Eglinton
  • 51 Tomken
  • 61 Mavis
  • 66 McLaughlin
  • 76 City Centre-Subway
  • 101/101A Dundas Express
  • 103 Hurontario Express

The following routes will not operate from Monday, Dec. 21, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021:

  • 104 Derry Express
  • 107 Malton Express
  • All 300-series school routes

Some routes have a reduced holiday schedule on Christmas Day and New Year's Day

On Christmas Day and New Year’s Day, the following routes will operate on a reduced holiday schedule based on reduced customer demand on these dates:

  • 1/1C Dundas, Dundas-Collegeway
  • 2 Hurontario
  • 3 Bloor
  • 5 Dixie
  • 9 Rathburn-Thomas
  • 10 Bristol-Britannia
  • 13 Glen Erin
  • 17 Hurontario
  • 23 Lakeshore
  • 28 Confederation
  • 38A Creditview
  • 66 McLaughlin

The following routes will not operate on Christmas Day and New Year’s Day:

  • 6 Credit Woodlands
  • 35 Eglinton
  • 46 Tenth Line-Osprey
  • 48 Erin Mills
  • 68 Terry Fox

MiWay will continue to provide regular Saturday and Sunday service on weekends

From Saturday, Dec. 26, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021, MiWay will continue to provide regular Saturday and Sunday service on weekends.

Customer Service - modified hours of operation

City Centre Transit Terminal Information Booth

From Monday, Dec. 21, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021, the Information Booth at City Centre Transit Terminal will have modified holiday hours of operation.

Weekday Holiday hours of operation
Monday to Thursday 10:30 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Christmas Day and New Year’s Day Closed
Saturday and Sunday 10:30 a.m. to 6 p.m.

City Centre Transit Terminal Fares Booth

From Monday, Dec. 21, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021, the Fares Booth at City Centre Transit Terminal will have modified holiday hours of operation.

Weekday Holiday hours of operation
Monday to Thursday 11:15 a.m. to 7 p.m.
Christmas Day and New Year’s Day Closed
Saturday and Sunday Closed

City Centre Transit Terminal location details

Customer service phone: 905-615-4636

From Monday, Dec. 21, 2020 to Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021, Customer Service will be available on the phone at 905-615-4636 from 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily.

And the January 4, 2021 Service Change notice:

Jan. 4, 2021 Service Changes

MiWay is implementing service changes that include:

  • Schedule changes on various routes to respond to ridership demand and to improve GO service connections
  • Some school routes (300-series) will resume
  • On the Family Day holiday (Monday, Feb. 15, 2021), buses will operate on a holiday schedule and some routes will not operate

Schedule changes on various routes

Starting Monday, January 4, 2021, schedules will change on the following routes to respond to ridership demand and to improve GO service connections:

  • 9 Rathburn-Thomas
  • 30 Rexdale
  • 44 Mississauga Road
  • 49 McDowell
  • 90 Terragar-Copenhagen Loop

School routes (300-series) resume

Starting Monday, January 4, 2021, the following school routes (300-series) will resume service:

  • 302 Philip Pocock-Bloor West
  • 304 Father Goetz-Mississauga Valley
  • 306 Streetsville Secondary-Terry Fox
  • 307 Philip Pocock-Bloor East
  • 313 Streetsville Secondary-Meadowvale
  • 314 Rick Hansen-Creditview
  • 315 Rick Hansen-City Centre
  • 321 Stephen Lewis-St.Joan of Arc
  • 335 Glenforest South

Holiday service on Family Day

On the Family Day holiday (Monday, Feb. 15, 2021), buses will operate on a holiday schedule and some routes will not operate.

Service will not operate on the following routes due to low customer demand:

  • 28 Confederation
  • 35 Eglinton-Ninth Line
  • 46 Tenth Line-Osprey
  • 48 Erin Mills
  • 68 Terry Fox

Next planned service change – Monday, February 22, 2021.

If an accessible shuttle is required to get passengers with mobility issues from the Kipling Terminal over to the TTC terminal, who would be providing the service?  I assume regardless, it would be coming out of the construction company/Metrolinx' pocket as part of a penalty for delayed completion if such a clause were included.  Until the surface pedestrian route is built and opened, the shuttle would presumably have to run to the east/St. Alban's entrance to the station which is accessible and comes with a fare gate.  The more complicated option would be for the TTC to provide a vehicle where passengers would pay their fare and then continue to the bus platform at Kipling Station.  You'd then run into leasing arrangements for the TTC bus (if GO isn't immediately implementing service it could use one of their bays).

If they're just going to wait until the tunnel construction is all done (I don't know how much work actually needs to be done for it to be opened to the public), we may see a transition mid-board.  Otherwise waiting another 2 months or so would require an extension of the lease at Islington.

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Jan 4th opening was a given due to the board change, subject if everything was in place and working.

Accessibility riders and able body riders can access TTC main entrance by using the north Hub entrance and then the walkway to the station, assuming the plaza area is done. The plaza wasn't ready when I saw it a week ago and not much left to be done for it. There is an elevator in the north entrance and it take riders to the tunnel under the driveway to the hub or up to the walkway way to the GO platform.

As for the tunnel issue, other than access to the elevator at the PPUDO building, can't see why it not ready. The replacement stair in the parking lot has been rebuilt and is ready with a TTC sign at it. One hope that a ramp is where the stairs were to the fare area as its was only a few steps. TTC as well GO needs to look a ramps in place of stair and elevators, especially for elevators since riders will always know they will have access to/from a platform and not worry what to do when the elevator is down or out of service for maintenance. Having one elevator doesn't cut it and must be at least 2 encase one has to be out of service.

They finished paving and stripping the Kiss & Ride area including the taxis area almost 2 weeks ago in front of the PPUDO that not finish.

Its another lets open things before they are finish for show and tell with the accessibility riders, walkers and stroller folks getting screw.

There is an option for an extension for Islington and best to use it and finish the Hub first before moving.

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I'm sure that overcrowding on the TTC for essential workers is not an isolated case in the GTA.  The CBC is reporting on overcrowding on MiWay buses during the lockdown, especially in light of the service reductions associated with the lockdown.  They are featuring the 42 DERRY route, but I can imagine this being replicated on the various routes in and around the industrial area surrounding Pearson.  I'm sure the same is also happening with Brampton Transit.

Prior to the lockdown I know the 39 BRITANNIA and the 35 EGLINTON can get fairly crowded especially between Dixie and Hurontario.  Presumably as those two offer the best service north into Brampton.  There are also some willing to use the 66 McLAUGHLIN or 61 MAVIS.  Unfortunately most Brampton Transit routes do not travel south of the 401 and few MiWay routes cross into Brampton.  If the 51 TOMKEN were to run into Brampton the likeliest place for a terminus would be Bramalea GO.  The 53 KENNEDY isn't nearly frequent enough to make connections with BT's 7 KENNEDY viable or convenient.  Meanwhile the temporary suspension of the 185 DIXIE means having to transfer between MiWay and BT's DIXIE services.  I haven't been on the 57 COURTNEYPARK in a while, so I don't know what origin/destination demand is like along its namesake corridor.

The Hurontario corridor is at the point where Britannia/401 is the dividing line for service.  MiWay has traditionally short turned service on the local Hurontario routes here to provide better service southward, meanwhile I've seen rather long lines for service northward into Brampton for the Züm 502 MAIN service with some taking the 103 HURONTARIO EXPRESS (presumably those transferring at Brampton Gateway) rather than use the local services with a forced transfer at the 407. 

MiWay has gradually been eliminating the rush hour services in favour of a stronger grid network.  That unfortunately leaves a lot of employers with a last mile problem for their employees.  Perhaps some demand responsive service as is being used elsewhere might be a solution?  The article reports that MiWay is monitoring the situation and may reallocate some additional vehicles from other routes that will see reduced service during the holiday season.  What will happen in January when service levels are scheduled to return to normal remains to be seen.

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Well that was fast:

 

The follow-up Service Updates seem a bit confusing though:

Current
  • To ease overcrowding on the route 42, all route 104 buses will now service all stops.
  • Starting Dec. 11, 2020, service will be added to Route 42-Derry due to increased customer demand for service at all local stops. Route 42 provides all day service, 7 days a week. MiWay continues to monitor service demand during the COVID-19 Grey-Lockdown level and will make further adjustments based on customer demand.

Current
  • To ease overcrowding on the route 42, all route 104 buses will now service all stops.
  • Starting Dec. 11, 2020, this route will be suspended. Service will be added to Route 42-Derry due to increased customer demand for service at all local stops. Route 42 provides all day service, 7 days a week. MiWay continues to monitor service demand during the COVID-19 Grey-Lockdown level and will restore services based on customer demand.

The 104 DERRY EXPRESS will now service all stops effectively making it a 42 DERRY.  But it is then being suspended while service on the 42 DERRY is increased.  A somewhat confusing way of saying they've reallocated the 104 DERRY EXPRESS buses to the 42 DERRY.  Since it's mid-board I don't know if they're able to actually increase the overall service/frequency on the route or if they're just redistributing the buses between both routes to beef up the service along the corridor.  I guess the squeaky wheel gets the grease.  How long did it take the TTC to react to similar overcrowding?  I suppose they could do the same with the 87 MEADOWVALE-SKYMARK on Eglinton, but no such luck for the Britannia-Matheson or Courtneypark (?) corridor.

 

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MiWay has now officially announced the changeover from Islington to Kipling on January 4, 2021.

We're moving to Kipling Station

The new terminal map has a note saying the pedestrian tunnel to the TTC terminal and station will be completed in early 2021.  There is currently no indication of how to get from one to the other aside from following the wayfinding signs posted.  The system maps as well need updating.  There is a revised Islington station map with the new through routing of the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE which will no longer enter the station but serve it from the on-street stops.

I'm guessing the TTC is allowing MiWay passengers to transfer to the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE at Kipling to reach Islington?  It is technically Mississauga-bound.  I don't know how far the intra-Toronto passengers can continue to disembark past Islington.  As I had mentioned, there may be some demand to reach the shops and offices on either side of the 427 at Burnhamthorpe.  Either a walk from West Mall over to East Mall on the 20 RATHBURN or allow some passengers to transfer onto the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE within Toronto.  Look for some initial confusion until everyone gets used to the new setup!

I wonder why the lag in announcing the move to Kipling?  They had already announced the Service Changes for January 4, but did not mention it.  Scrambling over what to do with the pedestrian tunnel not being ready probably had something to do with it.  A surface hike from the new Kipling Terminal to Kipling Station in the dead of winter does not sound terribly appealing. 

Until GO starts bus service to Kipling (and once the pedestrian tunnel is open) could the Ikea shuttle - when it resumes - operate from there?  Granted it'd make for a longer walk to get to the TTC routes.  The current pick-up point is in the South parking lot which can get quite congested during rush hours.  A compromise would be the PPUDO in the North lot once it's completed which would put it halfway between the Terminal and the Station.

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On 12/14/2020 at 10:34 AM, Gil said:

A surface hike from the new Kipling Terminal to Kipling Station in the dead of winter does not sound terribly appealing. 

Isn't walking down the GO platform an option or is there no connection to the TTC terminal and GO platform? I know that's not the best but it's an option until the new tunnel opens

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Lots of jack hammering taking place around the stair area to TTC fare area today. No idea if the stairs are to be rebuilt or be replace with a ramp since it was only about 6 steps in the first place,

If the tunnel not ready come Jan 4th, will have to use the north entrance and the walkway from it to/from TTC entrance. There is a elevator in the north entrance. The walkway and plaza area is 100% for a small section from Auckland that should be done this week or early next week. The PPUDO building interior not finish and no idea if the elevator is working.

Always can walk up to Dundas and catch a TTC bus there and than walk to TTC entrance.

TTC Kiss & Ride and parking lot to open Jan 4th as well. The north parking lot may not be ready to open on the 4th and subject to weather and when it will be pave. The west lot that may hold 150 spot is ready to open now.

Looking at route 3 stops on Aukland today, I expect they will stay since current riders will still find it faster to use than going to the Hub. Since the 3 will be making a right turn onto Dundas than the current left, will the southbound stop move to TTC Dundas stop as it will cut down on the walking distance?

Some LCD Screens being tested for miWay bays.

Time to do shooting around the Islington Terminal since it will become a thing of the past as well miWay buses east of Aukland on Dundas and Bloor.

There has been a plan for some time to pickup riders at the Hub and take them to Islington since it would be for one route only. If miWay riders are transferring to a 26 at the Hub to get to, still Mississauga property and TTC has no objection to this.

4 minutes ago, laliok said:

Isn't walking down the GO platform an option or is there no connection to the TTC terminal and GO platform? I know that's not the best but it's an option until the new tunnel opens

GO station not open during 7 days a week, during the day nor is it accessibly.  The option I pointed out is the best one since it service everyone.

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I'll add drum's photos from the TTC in the News thread:

On 12/17/2020 at 1:02 AM, drum118 said:

There not that many systems in Canada using CNG, yet they are popping up all over the place in the US. Not talking small number, but 100's of buses for each system.

Was part of a round table with MOE with a push from CNG group to get more buses and systems in Ontario to use CNG and it when over like a lead balloon. Still can smell CNG like diesel and not a supporter of CNG.

Unless things change between now and Jan 4th, Kipling Kiss & Ride will open with part or all of the parking lot. The west side has about 150 parking spots ready to go and the bulk of the parking to the north being graded for paving. Weather and EllisDon will be the govern factor if the north parking lot opens Jan 4th. Not sure if the PPUDO building is ready for use nor if the elevator working.

Jan 3rd will be the last time miWay will use Islington Bus Terminal unless something changes before Jan. No idea when TTC will move their Islington routes to the south platform to allow the existing terminal to be torn down in 2021.

By the looks of things, the bus entrance to Kipling will become wider with the shifting of the current sidewalk to the new plaza area and been removed.

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GO Transit has a map outlining the detour from the bus terminal to the subway station on the Kipling station update page:

Kipling GO Construction Map

MiWay seems to be taking their time in updating their system maps to reflect the move to Kipling.  Did anyone manage to download the driver's guides for the revised routes that were hastily put up on the Monday of the announcement?  They were gone by Wednesday when they were replaced by the updated route maps.  Transit Toronto also has some additional photos (from Metrolinx/MiWay) along with the platform layout:

Kipling-Bus-Terminal-2.jpg

The layout, if it's accurate/to scale would seem to suggest that the 1/1C DUNDAS buses would have to travel all the way around the terminal to get to their assigned platform and then go all the way around again to safely exit the terminal.  There also isn't a designated offloading platform if the driver has some time to spare before their next trip out, especially with the platforms sharing multiple routes or branches.  Playing around with the schedule, the one high school route, the 307 PHILIP POCOCK-BLOOR EAST will drop off at platform 6 which isn't used at that time of the day since its routes are all rush hour only.  That may work or off-peak drop offs, but during rush hours every platform will likely be busy.

I know space in the terminal has been allocated to both MiWay and GO including staff and layover space for buses.  If the schedules aren't tweaked so as to not have every platform used all at once, would it be possible for MiWay to use GO's platforms to offload?  Even once GO Bus service has started, it won't likely be as frequent as MiWay's service and if a branch of the 21 MILTON bus was ever implemented to serve the terminal, it likely wouldn't be running at rush hours when the trains are running.  I'm not sure that reverse peak direction bus trips will be as frequent either, if they're offered at all (as it would be an intra-Toronto trip between Union and Kipling).

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On 12/23/2020 at 1:30 AM, Gil said:

I'll add drum's photos from the TTC in the News thread:

GO Transit has a map outlining the detour from the bus terminal to the subway station on the Kipling station update page:

Kipling GO Construction Map

MiWay seems to be taking their time in updating their system maps to reflect the move to Kipling.  Did anyone manage to download the driver's guides for the revised routes that were hastily put up on the Monday of the announcement?  They were gone by Wednesday when they were replaced by the updated route maps.  Transit Toronto also has some additional photos (from Metrolinx/MiWay) along with the platform layout:

Kipling-Bus-Terminal-2.jpg

The layout, if it's accurate/to scale would seem to suggest that the 1/1C DUNDAS buses would have to travel all the way around the terminal to get to their assigned platform and then go all the way around again to safely exit the terminal.  There also isn't a designated offloading platform if the driver has some time to spare before their next trip out, especially with the platforms sharing multiple routes or branches.  Playing around with the schedule, the one high school route, the 307 PHILIP POCOCK-BLOOR EAST will drop off at platform 6 which isn't used at that time of the day since its routes are all rush hour only.  That may work or off-peak drop offs, but during rush hours every platform will likely be busy.

I know space in the terminal has been allocated to both MiWay and GO including staff and layover space for buses.  If the schedules aren't tweaked so as to not have every platform used all at once, would it be possible for MiWay to use GO's platforms to offload?  Even once GO Bus service has started, it won't likely be as frequent as MiWay's service and if a branch of the 21 MILTON bus was ever implemented to serve the terminal, it likely wouldn't be running at rush hours when the trains are running.  I'm not sure that reverse peak direction bus trips will be as frequent either, if they're offered at all (as it would be an intra-Toronto trip between Union and Kipling).

Notice posted at the eastbound stop for Aukland as to where 26 will be stopping come Jan 4. Stop going out is at the Beer store/TTC Stop on Bloor and at Aberfoyle Cr on Islington. Inbound at the normal subway stop and the current stop on Bloor St. Need to check route 3 inbound stop to see if it remain as is on Aukland or move down to Dundas where it should be come Jan 4.

Based on what I saw today after getting home, TTC parking lot is ready to open, but not 100% complete. Looks like the interior of the PPUDO is finish with no elevator. Some signs paste to the sidewalk from TTC to the Hub Main Entrance showing an arrow and miWay name. Large signs in place showing direction to TTC on the walkway to TTC that will remain after the tunnel is open.

All miWay LCD screens on with GO being off since they will not be servicing the Hub on Jan 4.

The new sidewalk on Aukland is 99% complete. Unless they have decided to remove a section that was waiting to be pour over a week ago as it back fill at this time leaving a narrow walkway at TTC entrance and the plaza area.

The road in/out of TTC parking lot to/from Dundas is paved with stripping with cycle lanes on it for both direction as well traffic and both sidewalks finish.

Some photos to follow

No one on site working and some cleaning up and moving things still have to happen for opening day.

Should note there is 2 elevators for the main entrance and working.

Not sure what was taking place on Bloor St on my way home, 2 supervisors cars with flasher on at a stop along with an accessibility rider and a police with flasher pull up as I pass the cars. Could be an issue with the accessibility rider that forced them off the bus and the driver needed help dealing with them.

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