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1 hour ago, Gil said:

Inside sources?  That's also around the time GO typically makes their service cuts for Christmas break for post-secondary.  Seeing as they're already scaled back they may just wait until January to introduce service.  I'm sure both MiWay and GO will take the few weeks after the handover for drivers to familiarize themselves with manoeuvring within the terminal as well as get used to the potential new routing (especially for the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE which is supposed to continue serving both Islington and Kipling).  I'm sure like the rest of us, drivers will also be taking their holidays so it make sense to stretch out the familiarization process.

Will MiWay continue to pay the TTC "rent" (when does the typical rental/lease period end? That could be an indicator for the transfer) for the single route at Islington or will it simply get evicted and serve the on-street stops?  Driver layover aside, could the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE offload and board at the same stop on Islington at Aberfoyle?  If they plan on giving the driver a layover without a platform in the station, then boarding will have to take place at Green Lanes.

Preparations for operating into Kipling Terminal are already being made and MiWay conducted their first test runs into the terminal last week.

Regarding the route 26, the route will no longer enter Islington Station, but rather serve the station on street in both eastbound and westbound directions on the way to and from Kipling Terminal which will be the end point and layovers will be taken there. From Burnhamthorpe and Kipling, the eastbound route will be Burnhamthorpe, Cordova, Central Park, Islington, Bloor (serve Islington Station on street at Bloor/Green Lanes), Dundas, Subway Crescent to Kipling Terminal. From Kipiling Terminal, the westbound route will be Dundas, Bloor, Islington (serve Islington Station on street at Islington/Aberfoyle), Cordova, Burnhamthorpe to regular routing. New stops will be placed to accommodate this revised routing.

With this change, route 20 will be rerouted off Burnhamthorpe in Etobicoke and instead connect to Kipling Terminal using Highway 427 and Dundas. Route 70 will also use this routing.

There are no changes to the other routes currently serving Islington other than revising them to terminate at Kipling Terminal.

I've attached a (crude) drawing showing the planned platform allocations once the terminal opens. Bays 3, 14, 15, 16 have been designed to accommodate articulated buses.

 

 

 

 

Kipling Terminal Diagram.jpg

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On 10/7/2020 at 1:35 AM, drum118 said:

Oct 2

Until I get some shots from the GO platforms to confirm what I am seeing on the north side, it looks like there is now 16 bays in place of 14. The north side saying 8 bays with GO having 7 & 8 at the east end. All bays have display screens for both direction, with platform 8 being testing.

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No, they didn't increase the number of bays by 2, it's just Metrolinx' numbering scheme which includes the train platforms.  Kipling has 2 available track platforms, hence the bus platforms begin their numbering at 3.

17 hours ago, Silly Tilley said:

Preparations for operating into Kipling Terminal are already being made and MiWay conducted their first test runs into the terminal last week.

Regarding the route 26, the route will no longer enter Islington Station, but rather serve the station on street in both eastbound and westbound directions on the way to and from Kipling Terminal which will be the end point and layovers will be taken there. From Burnhamthorpe and Kipling, the eastbound route will be Burnhamthorpe, Cordova, Central Park, Islington, Bloor (serve Islington Station on street at Bloor/Green Lanes), Dundas, Subway Crescent to Kipling Terminal. From Kipiling Terminal, the westbound route will be Dundas, Bloor, Islington (serve Islington Station on street at Islington/Aberfoyle), Cordova, Burnhamthorpe to regular routing. New stops will be placed to accommodate this revised routing.

With this change, route 20 will be rerouted off Burnhamthorpe in Etobicoke and instead connect to Kipling Terminal using Highway 427 and Dundas. Route 70 will also use this routing.

There are no changes to the other routes currently serving Islington other than revising them to terminate at Kipling Terminal.

I've attached a (crude) drawing showing the planned platform allocations once the terminal opens. Bays 3, 14, 15, 16 have been designed to accommodate articulated buses.

Kipling Terminal Diagram.jpg

I'm guessing Metrolinx is really trying to get MiWay to take over the TTC's 50 BURNHAMTHORPE route since the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE will completely duplicate the routing to and from Islington per my mock-up of the new routing based on your description.  That'll probably take some getting used to for residents along Burnhamthorpe to take a MiWay bus rather than a TTC bus.  Whose logo will show up on the stop if they do or will they use the generic Metrolinx stop?

26 to Kipling.png

Assuming some arrangement is struck between MiWay and TTC, that would resolve the issue of MiWay providing intra-Toronto service for the connecting routes from Kipling to get to Islington and possibly any transfers from the 20 RATHBURN for passengers wanting to reach points east of the 427 (the Loblaws at East Mall for example) since the only common stops outside Toronto with the 26 BURNHAMTHORPE are Ponytrail and Mill (well, not technically, but it is beyond the TTC service area).

Duplication on Bloor would be the next target, but since MiWay doesn't serve Markland Wood I'm not sure if they'd merge the services in the corridor.  You could add a branch of the 112 WEST MALL to cover Markland Wood.  Someone had pointed out in the TTC Discussion thread about the 49 BLOOR WEST returning to Islington.  With Six Points straightened out it would provide additional service to all of the development slated for the area (at the expense of a shorter trip to Kipling unless it served both stations).

Another interesting question with the completion of the Kipling Hub is the future of the Dundas BRT to Waterdown.  It's on Metrolinx' backburner at the moment incubating.  Depending on how they decide to format the BRT service (BRT-lite with simple stops like Brampton's Züm and possibly some painted roadway or something more substantial like physical separation on YRT's VIVA) and the phasing of service implementation would this be a GO Transit route, possibly a MiWay (the 101 Dundas Express did go as far as Uptown Oakville at one point) or overlapping and/or shared service between MiWay, Oakvile Transit and Burlington Transit?

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Two recent tweets from MiWay that look interesting:

So MiWay is looking for public input on copying the accessible seat design from Toronto's streetcars with fold up seats.

And then:

The real-time displays along the Transitway are getting a system update.  Are they coordinating it with the displays being installed at GO Stations?  The systems appear to be physically different with the Transitway being an LED display while the GO Stations have full screens.  I wonder what else will be displayed on those screens aside from the next departure time?

Speaking of Transitway stations, why is Renforth the only one without municipal wifi?  I don't usually use the stations at the western end of the Transitway to see if they have wifi as well, but I'll get a notification on my phone as I'm passing through the eastern ones.  Trade-off for the washroom?!

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3 hours ago, Gil said:

Two recent tweets from MiWay that look interesting:

So MiWay is looking for public input on copying the accessible seat design from Toronto's streetcars with fold up seats.

And then:

The real-time displays along the Transitway are getting a system update.  Are they coordinating it with the displays being installed at GO Stations?  The systems appear to be physically different with the Transitway being an LED display while the GO Stations have full screens.  I wonder what else will be displayed on those screens aside from the next departure time?

Speaking of Transitway stations, why is Renforth the only one without municipal wifi?  I don't usually use the stations at the western end of the Transitway to see if they have wifi as well, but I'll get a notification on my phone as I'm passing through the eastern ones.  Trade-off for the washroom?!

there is no wifi on the 2 western transitway stations

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On 10/23/2020 at 4:35 PM, Gil said:

Speaking of Transitway stations, why is Renforth the only one without municipal wifi?  I don't usually use the stations at the western end of the Transitway to see if they have wifi as well, but I'll get a notification on my phone as I'm passing through the eastern ones.  Trade-off for the washroom?!

 

On 10/23/2020 at 8:34 PM, transitfan100 said:

there is no wifi on the 2 western transitway stations

Because all of those stations (Winston Churchill, Erin Mills, and Renforth) are built and maintained by GO/Metrolinx instead of MiWay. You will also notice that this is why the "artistic" style of those stations are different from the rest of the stations.

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9 hours ago, GTAmissions1 said:

News release regarding the acceptance of 11 hybrid electric articulated buses with the option to convert to battery power. Aiming for revenue service in early 2021.

https://www.mississauga.ca/city-of-mississauga-news/news/miway-furthers-the-citys-commitment-to-climate-change-with-first-ever-60-foot-hybrid-electric-buses-in-ontario/

Second ever in Ontario. HSR was the first in Ontario with their DE60LFRs in 2007 which are also hybrid electric.

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2 hours ago, Orion V said:

What defines 2nd generation hybrid?

MiWay's 2010 Orion VII hybrids are considered 2nd generation too as they are different than TTC's but they don't have the features that the LFS hybrids have.

The term "2nd generation hybrid" is being used as a buzzword by transit systems and even manufacturers to refer to the newer hybrids which are capable of electrically driven accessories, engine stop/start and if specified, capable of electric only operation. MiWay uses this distinction as well, referring to their Orion hybrids as "1st generation" as they do not have electrically driven accessories. 

However as far as BAE systems is concerned, their "2nd generation" hybrid system was introduced in 2010, when the system was completely redesigned from seperate air cooled components to a "all in one" design that is oil cooled. (Called HDS 200/300). BAE also started using their own alternator system and about 2-3 years later, the "accessory power system" that can be used to electrically power accesories.

MiWay's 2010 Orion hybrids were the first to feature this updated system.

Since I am not a fan of buzzwords, I think the correct answer is MiWay's 2010 Orion hybrids are 2nd generation, but do not have the electric accessories the later ones do. It's probably more accurate to call it a evolution of the system rather than this "2nd generation" buzzword.

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A few questions and curiosities here.

Are there a couple runs on the 5-Dixie which are Central based, as a few times on Transee, there've been LFSA's operating on it.

Has the 39-Britannia been a Malton-based route? I'd thought that if that was the case, that some of the Malton 13xx XD60s would be on it rather than exclusively being on the 5.

Speaking of Transsee, just today before posting in here that many of the buses in service, there'd be a note, in green, indicating that there are "many seats available". Is this specifically to miWay, or to other agencies that Transsee tracks?

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1 hour ago, newflyerinvero said:

A few questions and curiosities here.

Are there a couple runs on the 5-Dixie which are Central based, as a few times on Transee, there've been LFSA's operating on it.

Has the 39-Britannia been a Malton-based route? I'd thought that if that was the case, that some of the Malton 13xx XD60s would be on it rather than exclusively being on the 5.

Speaking of Transsee, just today before posting in here that many of the buses in service, there'd be a note, in green, indicating that there are "many seats available". Is this specifically to miWay, or to other agencies that Transsee tracks?

I'll leave the first point to other users to answer, as I'm not as knowledgeable about that. The 39 Britannia is a Central Parkway division route, and from my looking at TransSee today, the "many seats available" feature is so far only available on MiWay within the GTA. It wasn't on any of other agencies I looked at.

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Prior to the September board period Malton had 3 base blocks on the 39, 1 base block on the 61, 3 AM/PM rush hour blocks on the 104 and 2 base blocks on the 107.

Since service cancellations have mostly affected Central routes most of the above mentioned blocks have been transferred to Central to balance out the amount of spareboard crews between the two divisions.

 

Of the above mentioned routes Malton now only has 5 base blocks on the 107 and Central has gained 2 AM/PM rush hour blocks on the 5. However, Central's two blocks on the 5 are both 40' blocks and the LFSAs that occasionally pop up on the route are in fact at Malton while some of their artics are down for maintenance. Currently 1351-1353 and 0866 have been out of service for 2 weeks or more. 

I should note that Malton has a single base block on the 35 and that remains unchanged. 

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12 hours ago, MT0603 said:

Prior to the September board period Malton had 3 base blocks on the 39, 1 base block on the 61, 3 AM/PM rush hour blocks on the 104 and 2 base blocks on the 107.

Since service cancellations have mostly affected Central routes most of the above mentioned blocks have been transferred to Central to balance out the amount of spareboard crews between the two divisions.

 

Of the above mentioned routes Malton now only has 5 base blocks on the 107 and Central has gained 2 AM/PM rush hour blocks on the 5. However, Central's two blocks on the 5 are both 40' blocks and the LFSAs that occasionally pop up on the route are in fact at Malton while some of their artics are down for maintenance. Currently 1351-1353 and 0866 have been out of service for 2 weeks or more. 

I should note that Malton has a single base block on the 35 and that remains unchanged. 

Thank you. :)

So to be clear, 1301-1309s are blue buses out of Malton? 1304 on 51 right now.  

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On 10/8/2020 at 8:30 PM, Gil said:

Meanwhile, the 2-week detour of the 5 DIXIE along Atwater and Cawthra would seem like an ideal time to gauge what extending the 14 LORNE PARK through to Dixie Mall and Sherway would be like.  Not every driver it seems is following the detour and it would seem that the construction at the railway crossing isn't bad enough to restrict the odd bus from going through.  They're just missing the stops along those sections of Atwater and Cawthra to be of any use for the local residents!

It's been over a month since the "2 week" detour was posted.  Tracking the buses, it seems like random buses will follow the detour routing while others will not.

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Route 5 on detour in both direction due to construction work at Ogden railroad crossing. Using Atwater to Cawthra to Lakeshore in both directions. 2 weeks

I've only gone through the area a few times and it seemed evenly split between Cawthra and Ogden.  It doesn't appear to be tied to construction crew timing unless they're working some odd hours.  I presume COVID precautions are dragging the construction completion date as with other projects (Speakman and the Kipling Hub)?  Are drivers given instructions on when to use the detour or is it at their discretion?  Seeing as stops were never formally introduced on the detour routing along Atwater and Cawthra it'd be difficult to gauge the demand for service if and when they plan on implementing it.  As for the passenger convenience if you wanted one of the stops skipped by the bypass, I guess you'd like to know whether or not the bus was going to serve it or not!

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Squeaky wheel getting the grease?  MiWay has put up an updated notice along with a map for the detour on the 5 DIXIE as well as keeping the original undated detour notice.  It seems that buses are more regularly following the detour now.  The revised date of completion for the work at the railway tracks is Nov. 27 which is two weeks after the the date on the notice (Nov. 13).  Let's see if that will actually be the case.

One strange observance from earlier in the week was a southbound 13 GLEN ERIN with a side desto reading "TO SOUTH COMMON" rather than the via and Clarkson GO as the final destination.  I waited (good thing it was stopped at a red light) for it to cycle through to make sure I had seen it correctly.  I did not get a look at the front desto to see if it matched.  I've gone through the schedule and there aren't any short turn runs that I could find (checking the time I saw the bus - late afternoon and also the late night service).  Was this a misprogrammed desto or do I really need to get my eyes checked?! 👀 👓

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On 11/14/2020 at 9:24 PM, Gil said:

Squeaky wheel getting the grease?  MiWay has put up an updated notice along with a map for the detour on the 5 DIXIE as well as keeping the original undated detour notice.  It seems that buses are more regularly following the detour now.  The revised date of completion for the work at the railway tracks is Nov. 27 which is two weeks after the the date on the notice (Nov. 13).  Let's see if that will actually be the case.

One strange observance from earlier in the week was a southbound 13 GLEN ERIN with a side desto reading "TO SOUTH COMMON" rather than the via and Clarkson GO as the final destination.  I waited (good thing it was stopped at a red light) for it to cycle through to make sure I had seen it correctly.  I did not get a look at the front desto to see if it matched.  I've gone through the schedule and there aren't any short turn runs that I could find (checking the time I saw the bus - late afternoon and also the late night service).  Was this a misprogrammed desto or do I really need to get my eyes checked?! 👀 👓

I still see a 26 E side sign that still says "26 to City Centre" after "26 to Subway" on weekends after 5 years of stacked signs

26 E Burnhamthorpe ~ 26 to Subway ~ 26 to City Centre

 

26 W side sign is correct as it says "26 via City Centre" after "26 to South Common"

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Has an official date been set for opening the Kipling Hub?  I was over on Transit Toronto and noticed they had recently updated their page on Kipling Station.  It seems to have been future-proofed by talking about the Hub as if it were opened and interestingly they give December 5, 2020 as the effective date.  That being a Saturday is it a soft launch?  The TTC usually implements things on a Sunday, MiWay on a Monday and GO/Metrolinx on a Wednesday which doesn't quite line up with the date mentioned.  Then again, it could well be an arbitrary date which they'll fix once it opens.  The date is probably easier to change than rewriting the article!

Metrolinx' page on the Kipling construction, which MiWay links to was updated on November 17 with work shifting to the north half of the GO station building (I wonder if they'll eliminate the ticket booth?).  No mention of a completion date, but there is mention of the terminal itself and the related infrastructure being opened in phases (some of which have already been completed, while others are ongoing):

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The new bus terminal will be built in phases to minimize the impact on your commute. When all the work is finished, Kipling GO will feature:

  • New parking lot northeast of the new bus terminal, including Kiss & Ride and taxi areas
  • A pedestrian bridge over the train tracks - complete with elevators - to connect the new bus terminal to the GO train platform
  • Renovated GO station building
  • New underground tunnels to make it easier to walk between the new GO/MiWay bus terminal and the existing TTC station
  • Repaired tunnels
  • Updated train platform with a new accessible boarding area
  • Extension of the existing paid TTC parking lot on the southeast side of the TTC subway station
  • Improved car, bicycle and pedestrian access to the station including a new signalized intersection at Acorn Ave.

Two weeks notice for December 5 would put that at tomorrow, or Monday if they plan on officially opening it the weekday afterward.  That'd also be two weeks before the Holiday Service Change on December 21.

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1 hour ago, Gil said:

Has an official date been set for opening the Kipling Hub?  I was over on Transit Toronto and noticed they had recently updated their page on Kipling Station.  It seems to have been future-proofed by talking about the Hub as if it were opened and interestingly they give December 5, 2020 as the effective date.  That being a Saturday is it a soft launch?  The TTC usually implements things on a Sunday, MiWay on a Monday and GO/Metrolinx on a Wednesday which doesn't quite line up with the date mentioned.  Then again, it could well be an arbitrary date which they'll fix once it opens.  The date is probably easier to change than rewriting the article!

Metrolinx' page on the Kipling construction, which MiWay links to was updated on November 17 with work shifting to the north half of the GO station building (I wonder if they'll eliminate the ticket booth?).  No mention of a completion date, but there is mention of the terminal itself and the related infrastructure being opened in phases (some of which have already been completed, while others are ongoing):

Two weeks notice for December 5 would put that at tomorrow, or Monday if they plan on officially opening it the weekday afterward.  That'd also be two weeks before the Holiday Service Change on December 21.

GO typically performs train service changes on Wednesdays, but bus schedules start on Saturdays. December 5th is the opening of the new Union Station Bus Terminal, which has been advertised by Metrolinx and on GO's website for most of this week; if Kipling was to open, they likely would have advertised both together (especially as GO buses are supposed to be diverted to serve it). Looking at the GO bus schedules for next board, Kipling Terminal is not listed, so safe to say it's probably not opening on that date.

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1 hour ago, Articulated said:

GO typically performs train service changes on Wednesdays, but bus schedules start on Saturdays. December 5th is the opening of the new Union Station Bus Terminal, which has been advertised by Metrolinx and on GO's website for most of this week; if Kipling was to open, they likely would have advertised both together (especially as GO buses are supposed to be diverted to serve it). Looking at the GO bus schedules for next board, Kipling Terminal is not listed, so safe to say it's probably not opening on that date.

It has been speculated that Kipling would open in early December.  MiWay may be the initial tenant if GO hasn't figured out whether there currently is demand for bus service to Kipling.  A branch of the 21 MILTON service would likely also mean increasing service to Dixie GO especially on weekends where it is currently not served.  It was also anticipated that services currently terminating at Square One would get extended to Kipling, but COVID is messing with demand and forecasting.

The TTC is eager for MiWay to relocate to Kipling given the state of Islington's terminal.  Steve Munro hasn't mentioned anything in the remaining TTC Service Changes for 2020.  With duplicated service along the entire length of Burnhamthorpe there are probably still some details to be worked out between MiWay, TTC and Metrolinx.

I'm curious once a fare agreement is reached how or if trip patterns will change with a Burnhamthorpe route connecting with both Islington and Kipling stations.

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