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22 hours ago, STO_1601 said:

Is MiWay still considering getting the Nova LFS Hybrids despite the power steering issues that Toronto and the province of Quebec suffered last winter?

That issue was easily fixed in just a few hours/bus

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The MiWay links to their maps are working now, but they've got the Weekday and Express links mixed up (i.e. clicking on one takes you to the other).  It doesn't help that they also keep changing the file names.  Looks like the 30 REXDALE is keeping the 30's colour as well.

Weekday: https://www7.mississauga.ca/documents/miway/systemmaps/SystemMap_July1_2019_Weekday.pdf

Express: https://www7.mississauga.ca/documents/miway/systemmaps/ExpressMap_July1_2019.pdf

Saturday: https://www7.mississauga.ca/documents/miway/systemmaps/SystemMap_July1_2019_Saturday.pdf

Sunday: https://www7.mississauga.ca/documents/miway/systemmaps/SystemMap_July1_2019_Sunday.pdf

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6 hours ago, leniwy said:

The did mention a slight route revision for the 57 COURTNEYPARK, but that involves serving Renforth Station.  I'm surprised they haven't increased service on the remaining routes between Renforth and Islington, but with the summers tending to be quieter hopefully they'll add service in September.

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miWay Budget for 2020 is to see 2% increase as well 31,000 service hours.

Money being move into LRT since a contractor will be known come Sept or sooner for it.

Presto is to cost $6 million more in 2020 for a 3% increase over 2019

miWay to see $6 million less from the province

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9 hours ago, drum118 said:

miWay Budget for 2020 is to see 2% increase as well 31,000 service hours.

Money being move into LRT since a contractor will be known come Sept or sooner for it.

Presto is to cost $6 million more in 2020 for a 3% increase over 2019

miWay to see $6 million less from the province

The actual projected increase for Presto Commissiom is $1.6 million  (0.3%) and for the Provincial Gas Tax impact it is $1.5 million decrease. See screenshot below from next week's budget presentation, I'm not sure how you came up with the $6 million figure for both categories. 

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10 hours ago, Silly Tilley said:

The actual projected increase for Presto Commissiom is $1.6 million  (0.3%) and for the Provincial Gas Tax impact it is $1.5 million decrease. See screenshot below from next week's budget presentation, I'm not sure how you came up with the $6 million figure for both categories. 

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Your right as I looked at the $6 for the tax bill

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48 minutes ago, TransferCutter said:

Anybody know what happened to 1810?

Shape suggests baseball bat

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Don’t know if it was already mentioned but...

all the 08 and 09 LFRs have a new seating layout. 

Single seat on left sides now with 4 wheelchair seats, a wall by the right wheelchair area, new handle grab things and “SHOW YOU CARE...” decals on the bus windows

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Silly Tilley mentioned this a few months ago. They get it during their overhaul or something like that.

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18 hours ago, Orion V said:

Silly Tilley mentioned this a few months ago. They get it during their overhaul or something like that.

No, this was a separate project done in partnership with MTB in Milton. The city does not do any major overhaul of their transit vehicles.

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16 hours ago, Jan Boic said:

No, this was a separate project done in partnership with MTB in Milton. The city does not do any major overhaul of their transit vehicles.

I'd caution against saying that MiWay doesn't do any major overhaul of the vehicles. While Mississauga certainly doesn't have a scheduled top-to-bottom vehicle overhaul program, vehicle components are overhauled on an as needed basis.

MiWay's 10-year budget has an average of $7 million annually going towards various overhauls for the bus fleet. 

For example you'll find that most of the 03s that are still in service have had large sections of flooring ripped up and replaced, particularly around the rear door and raised rear section, something that would normally occur under a top-to-bottom overhaul. 

 

 

 

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On 6/26/2019 at 4:15 PM, Jan Boic said:

No, this was a separate project done in partnership with MTB in Milton. The city does not do any major overhaul of their transit vehicles.

On 6/27/2019 at 9:22 AM, MT0603 said:

I'd caution against saying that MiWay doesn't do any major overhaul of the vehicles. While Mississauga certainly doesn't have a scheduled top-to-bottom vehicle overhaul program, vehicle components are overhauled on an as needed basis.

MiWay's 10-year budget has an average of $7 million annually going towards various overhauls for the bus fleet. 

For example you'll find that most of the 03s that are still in service have had large sections of flooring ripped up and replaced, particularly around the rear door and raised rear section, something that would normally occur under a top-to-bottom overhaul.

I would argue that individual components being fixed/repaired/replaced on an as-needed basis does not qualify as a "major overhaul" of the vehicle as @Jan Boic stated.

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13 hours ago, Articulated said:

I would argue that individual components being fixed/repaired/replaced on an as-needed basis does not qualify as a "major overhaul" of the vehicle as @Jan Boic stated.

This really is a matter of semantics, but in any case the statement, and as I too quoted, was "any major overhaul". 

Forget words for now and let's look at this from a numbers perspective. Mississauga has 500 buses and for the next 10 years has an average annual transit bus overhaul/rebuild/replacement capital budget of $7 million and climbing. Annually that works out to $14 thousand per bus and means on average over a 15-year life of a bus in Mississauga $210 thousand are budgeted on said capital costs. 

A York Region report regarding electric buses from 10 January 2019 noted the Region's capital costs for diesel buses was $15.6 thousand annually, that's only 11.4% more than Mississauga.

So Mississauga spends 89.7% of what York Region does on vehicle overhauls, yet does not do any major overhauls by your definition. 

That's misleading and is a narrow view on what makes for a major overhaul. 

 

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22 hours ago, MT0603 said:

That's misleading and is a narrow view on what makes for a major overhaul.

I think that it's fair to assume that a "major overhaul", at least in the transit sense, could be interpreted as a program where a vehicle is pulled out of service for a prolonged period of time and has virtually every major sub-system replaced whether it needs it or not. That has traditionally been the case for programs such as the TTC's well-known mid-life rebuild program.

 

And that is precisely not what Mississauga does. It seems that they use a more progressive, pre-emptive maintenance program that replaces individual components likely before they need to be replaced - but not all of them in one fell swoop.

 

It is a major job to remove a major sub-system such as a driveline or an axle assembly, but by the same token the scale of work is also far less than tearing the bus back to the frame and installing new or rebuilt components. I think that's the argument being made here.

 

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19 minutes ago, soo8513 said:

Transitt55 & Transsee not "seeing: MiWay buses today.

only seems to be for central buses, malton buses are still tracking.

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"Pending arrival of 10 new 2nd Gen hybrids" caught my eye.

Actually nice to know the twitter people know about the fleet

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Sorry, I thought we were getting 11 NOVAs identical to 1801-class, in September.  Is this a change or additional?

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1 hour ago, soo8513 said:

Sorry, I thought we were getting 11 NOVAs identical to 1801-class, in September.  Is this a change or additional?

I'm hearing they're coming with the redesigned driver window as well.

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On 7/5/2019 at 9:26 PM, Jan Boic said:

I'm hearing they're coming with the redesigned driver window as well.

Yes, I heard they will look very similar to the TTC. Just with the typical MiWay double headlights and full rear side window.

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