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So as some of you may or may not know, the new smart cards for the LRT will be marketed as ETS Blue. It will be demoed by U of A staff first for travel between the 2 campuses. Apparently there are 3 installed, and 18 additional ones will be installed soon.

Current locations of Smart Card readers that I have seen:

- Churchill Station (go up on the south end of the platform)

- Bay Station (go up on the north end of the platform and turn left - it is at the 103 Street entrance)

- University Station (go up on the south end of the platform, and at the top of the escalators turn right - it is at the 89 Avenue? entrance that goes up to the bus loop (not the HUB side))

A photo of the Churchill South reader:

ets-bluechurchillsouth.jpg

I tried pressing on all the buttons at Bay but they didn't do anything.

Already a little off topic... speaking of Churchill Station and technology, is ViCCi still around or did that get canned? Last time I was at Churchill it was missing.

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I still think ETS missed the bus by not calling it ETSMART CARD.

ETSmart Card... that's how I would do it.

What the hell is ETS Blue? When I first saw this thread I thought someone wanted to know the type of blue ETS uses :D

Other systems have come up with decent and catchy names.

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ETSmart Card... that's how I would do it.

What the hell is ETS Blue? When I first saw this thread I thought someone wanted to know the type of blue ETS uses :)

Other systems have come up with decent and catchy names.

Smart is not part of their image, Blue is part of their image. Blue is the color of the ETS corporate identity. Any branding specialist will tell you that. :D

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Cool. I think they are supplied by the same company that did our ticket vending machines too, Cubic Systems.

I remember the acronym for cubic. C.U. Back In Court.

A bit O.T. There was something on this board ages ago and someone had 'posted' that acronym. Ha, and I remembered it!!! I thought that was hilarious.

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Cool. I think they are supplied by the same company that did our ticket vending machines too, Cubic Systems.

Here's a link to a photo of a Los Angeles TAP reader: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2063/216437...945864ee6_b.jpg (I'd embed the image, but it's quite large.)

I like the display reading "Tap your TAP".

The vendor is Cubic Systems, I believe.

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What stops a person from just walking past and not scanning their card therefore not paying fair?

Or does it spit out a piece of paper or ticket?

Nothing at all, just like the present system where you can walk onto the LRT without a valid ticket or transfer (I'm not sure if you're asking about Edmonton, or LA, although I'm sure my answer works for both).

The way the system will probably work is that you will tap your card and it will deduct a fare. When you board you board a bus, or return on the LRT... when ever your tap the card if it is within 90 minutes it will see that you have transfer privileges and not deduct anything. Loyalty incentives can be included. After you've made a certain number of trips maybe you'll have a reduced fare, or maybe a free trip.

Fare checkers would have a portable unit to validate fares.

Theoretically, you could add access control devices to LRT stations without the need for an attendant at each station. That way you would have less of a chance of someone walking on without paying. I believe Vancouver is looking at this for their Skytrain.

It will be interesting to see how far ETS takes smart cards.

Do you use smart cards as a replacement for tickets and cash? Do you take it further and replace bus passes as well? Do you pay a flat fee for the bus pass? Or will it be some sort of a system that if you take X number of trips within a time period you receive a deep discount on subsequent travel?

I've read up quite a bit on Boston's (Charlie Card) and London's (Oyster Card) systems when they were new. If you want to learn more about some of the smart card systems out there, check out their websites! They have been loaded with information when I checked last.

http://www.mbta.com/fares_and_passes/charlie/

https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do

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Theoretically, you could add access control devices to LRT stations without the need for an attendant at each station. That way you would have less of a chance of someone walking on without paying. I believe Vancouver is looking at this for their Skytrain.

I've read up quite a bit on Boston's (Charlie Card) and London's (Oyster Card) systems when they were new. If you want to learn more about some of the smart card systems out there, check out their websites! They have been loaded with information when I checked last.

Incidentally, Vancouver also uses Cubic Systems as their vendor.

The Boston smart card system got slaughtered in a University of Virginia security study on how you could exploit the card for personal information and refill it like crazy. I don't know MBTA uses a Cubic System though, but the same RFID technology is probably used. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/20...ays_researcher/

Anyone want to bet that the fancy GFI farebox on 6002 will not read the smart cards? (Without some work and an adapter that is)

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The vendor is Cubic Systems, I believe.

Yeah, it's Cubic alright.

Anyone want to bet that the fancy GFI farebox on 6002 will not read the smart cards? (Without some work and an adapter that is)

I'm sure it will work as the software are the same, I think. Good luck getting it to work.

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2 card readers (each end) of HSS. Ticket validators are mounted on a new pedestal behind the card reader.

One card reader in Clareview, replacing a ticket validator.

Unless the photo is providing an optical illusion to me, it appears that only one person can validate/blue at a time due to the placement of the machines. Work with me on this. It's rush hour, and people have to line up single file to validate their fare. ETS: We'll get you there...as slowly as humanly possible, impeding you as much as we can!

Late. :)

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Unless the photo is providing an optical illusion to me, it appears that only one person can validate/blue at a time due to the placement of the machines. Work with me on this. It's rush hour, and people have to line up single file to validate their fare. ETS: We'll get you there...as slowly as humanly possible, impeding you as much as we can!

Late. :(

validation literally takes a second.

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  • 4 months later...

I was at Churchill Station today, when there was an announcement in the same voice as the Belgravia/McKernan station announcement, saying something along the lines of "Proof of payment is required on the train and in proof of payment areas."

It actually played a couple of times, so I was wondering what it was. There was also a guy with a laptop coming down the stairs to the platform. As I went up, they had a Linksys WRT54G series wireless router hooked up to the smart card (ETS Blue) reader on the north end of Churchill. And another guy up there that appeared to be working with the guy with the laptop. So I wonder if that announcement plays if someone doesn't swipe their smart card or something.

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  • 1 month later...

I just did a quick skim of this thread, but didn't see any mention of how much this pilot project was costing ETS? Mainly curious as Calgary Transit just got a lump of money in their recent stimulus money for 'electronic fare collection' which we suspect may mean some form of pilot project for a smart card system.

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