Mark Walton Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Here is what I have picked up from other lists, mainly from Terry. Please add, confirm, or correct as may be appropriate. - All overhead is now removed from Mitchell Garage. - Other bits and pieces in various locations are going or gone, I forget exact locations. - At least 3 routes are no longer operated with trolleys, and no trolleys run on weekends anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 OH gone from Coliseum Loop and 118 Avenue between Coliseum and 92 Street. OH gone from 80 Street between 118 Avenue and 115 Avenue. OH gone along 95 Street between 110 Avenue and 107 Avenue. OH tied off on 95 Street between 102A Avenue and 103 Avenue. Non-essential traction poles removed from the Coliseum Loop. Routes 5, 7, and 9 will no longer have etb operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Plus, OH gone from 76 Ave and 118 St in Belgravia OH gone between 109 St/61 Ave and Southgate OH gone from Coliseum Loop and 118 Avenue between Coliseum and 92 Street.OH gone from 80 Street between 118 Avenue and 115 Avenue. OH gone along 95 Street between 110 Avenue and 107 Avenue. OH tied off on 95 Street between 102A Avenue and 103 Avenue. Non-essential traction poles removed from the Coliseum Loop. Routes 5, 7, and 9 will no longer have etb operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 And now, OH gone on 102 Ave from 108 St to 102 St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Walton Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I read in the Journal online there was a problem with the LRT at 95th Street, with a pantograph apparently snagging the trolley overhead there. A few commenters blamed the presence of trolley wire, which was removed shortly afterward - then there was another problem there! Some other commenters said the LRT/TB crossing had worked well for 30 years with few if any problems. Can anyone confirm or add anything, in a separate thread for the LRT mishap if needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mira Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 it is a shame your council is making this mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esturk Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 It's a shame that removing that section of wire is causing so many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 There was a pretty thorough discussion of what happened and the causes in the "2009 Edmonton Spottings" thread. I read in the Journal online there was a problem with the LRT at 95th Street, with a pantograph apparently snagging the trolley overhead there. A few commenters blamed the presence of trolley wire, which was removed shortly afterward - then there was another problem there! Some other commenters said the LRT/TB crossing had worked well for 30 years with few if any problems. Can anyone confirm or add anything, in a separate thread for the LRT mishap if needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 It's a shame that removing that section of wire is causing so many problems. It's a shame that any wire has been removed at all. It's not hurting anyone by staying 'up' so they should just let it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT_BMT_IND Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 It's a shame that any wire has been removed at all. It's not hurting anyone by staying 'up' so they should just let it be. IIRC Toronto's trolley wire stayed up for several years after Trolleybus service ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ets trolley Fan Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 On the city of Edmonton's website it says that the decommissioning of the remaining trolley infrastructure in 2010 be approved. So there is still hope to keep trolley buses on Edmonton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion9131 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I thought it was a done deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I thought it was a done deal? Where there is wire, there is hope. Where there is no hope, there is always Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esturk Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 So does that mean that it hasn't been approved? Or is it to be approved in 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 So does that mean that it hasn't been approved? Or is it to be approved in 2010? Not exactly, according to that sentence by ets trolley fan it means that a report (or similar) recommends that council approve the removal of all trolley-related equipment in 2010. So overhead wires, poles, etc. will be removed in that year (if council approves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T6H-5307N Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 The problem is that some of it has already been taken down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Actually, that was the wording of the recommendation to council back in June, which was adopted as the motion, word for word. So, on June 18, council voted to decomission the trolley system in 2010. So it's already been approved. Now, we have to change it. Not exactly, according to that sentence by ets trolley fan it means that a report (or similar) recommends that council approve the removal of all trolley-related equipment in 2010. So overhead wires, poles, etc. will be removed in that year (if council approves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ets trolley Fan Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Is there a way to get city council to change their decision of phasing out the trollies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulator Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Is there a way to get city council to change their decision of phasing out the trollies? Running trolleys or not is entirely Council's decision to make. So, yes, if you can convince seven councillors to vote a particular way, there is a way. Whether or not it's likely to happen is a different story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsad Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 From the Toronto Star: Trolley bus comeback too costlyTTC won't bring back zero-emission vehicles Feb 19, 2009 04:30 AM Tess Kalinowski As transit goes, it doesn't get much cleaner, quieter and smoother than trolley buses, the electric vehicles that ran on Toronto streets between the 1920s and the early 1990s. But the high cost of the electric buses and the infrastructure they require make a comeback in Toronto highly unlikely, according to a report before transit commissioners at yesterday's TTC meeting. Greenhouse gas emissions from trolley buses are virtually zero. However, the price of getting to that zero is prohibitive, says TTC consultant Richard Soberman in the report, which was prompted by a move to consider bringing them back on some major routes not covered in the Transit City light-rail plan. It would cost about $1,800 for every tonne of such gases trolley buses eliminated compared with diesel buses. The buses would cost nearly $1 million each, as much as double the cost of a diesel or hybrid bus. At their peak, the TTC was running 153 trolley buses on nine routes. But in 1993, confronted with their aging infrastructure and diminishing subsidies, the TTC abandoned them. It went on to invest in the short-lived compressed natural gas buses, then to diesel, and finally to the hybrids – which have also turned out to be problematic because of shorter battery life and lower fuel economy than projected. "The real message in the report is, if your goal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, there's a lot less expensive ways to do it than buying trolley buses," TTC chief general manager Gary Webster said. Vancouver, Edmonton, San Francisco, Boston, Seattle, Dayton, Ohio, and Philadelphia still operate trolley buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 The overhead was taken down on the highlands branch last weekend, but I don't think that that stretch has been used for years, despite all the poles getting cleaned and painted (and in some cases replaced) last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Marriott Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Saw the ruins of the Highlands overhead today. So, Uwe, you and your pals want to explain how overhead continues to come down, despite the fact that you have no funding to remove it. At $11million to take down the whole system, that's $80 000 per kilometre. For the approximatley 3km of overhead removed in Highlands, thats $240 000 of city funds improperly spent right there. Where is that money coming from? A similar fate had better not befall Parkallen in April when the 133 ends, as removing the 7.5km of overhead south of Jasper Ave would cost $600 000. The overhead was taken down on the highlands branch last weekend, but I don't think that that stretch has been used for years, despite all the poles getting cleaned and painted (and in some cases replaced) last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I saw it today. All or most of the EB wire is gone. 50 Street is still up. Much of the WB wire along 112 Avenue is still up, except that section by Bellevue Hall. Most of the spans and hangers/clips are still in place. I still had to go for a double dose of trolley after. Not an entirely bad way to spend Pally's birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaintrolley Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Much of the WB wire along 112 Avenue is still up, Ticket sales have been brisk, the WB wire is all gone now. The 50-53 St. loop is still up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulator Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Ticket sales have been brisk, the WB wire is all gone now. The 50-53 St. loop is still up. I guess so. How much does Epcor charge the city to work weekends? Is the Northlands line still up? Those wires have been ready to tear themselves down for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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