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56 minutes ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Perhaps Wilson should get the 29/929 DUFFERIN back?  Wilson used to have more artics to operate when the 7/29/196 were together as of 2017 as Mount Dennis had 17 artics to run the 41 back then.

Perhaps if Wilson took back the 29, they would have to unload or shuffle of some of their smaller routes to other divisions.

Wilson can’t service all of them with their number of hoists. Once they were off warranty, they had to move. It’s no coincidence MtD and McNicoll have the biggest batch now.

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Based on this map found in the September CEO report, there is no major changes going to happen this fall except the 12D, 69 and 117 changes in November reported from Steve Munro. Most of not all the reliability changes are already implemented.

Sorry for the low quality screenshot, the report just didn't have it.

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As posted in the MiWay thread, Metrolinx is closing Renforth Station for some work (probably tied to the Eglinton Line) from September 23 to November 1.  It's not explicitly stated, but based on the GO Transit detour, it looks like the 32 EGLINTON and 112 WEST MALL will turn around using the turnaround loop just west of the station adjacent to the Transitway.

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1 hour ago, Gil said:

As posted in the MiWay thread, Metrolinx is closing Renforth Station for some work (probably tied to the Eglinton Line) from September 23 to November 1.  It's not explicitly stated, but based on the GO Transit detour, it looks like the 32 EGLINTON and 112 WEST MALL will turn around using the turnaround loop just west of the station adjacent to the Transitway.

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I don’t know for the 112 WEST MALL buses, but the 32 EGLINTON WEST buses are using the former 32B routing to turn around

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On 9/20/2024 at 8:38 PM, bus_7246 said:

I don’t know for the 112 WEST MALL buses, but the 32 EGLINTON WEST buses are using the former 32B routing to turn around

The 112B will probably turn back at its former terminus, Eglinton & Skymark. 112C will probably either just follow the 112B before continuing North to Disco Road or just ditch Skymark entirely and will just stay on Renforth.

Also, the renforth closure might impact Miway routes such as the 7 AIRPORT, 39 BRITANNIA, 107 MALTON EXPRESS & 109 MEADOWVALE EXPRESS.

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56 minutes ago, 5242 said:

Also, the renforth closure might impact Miway routes such as the 7 AIRPORT, 39 BRITANNIA, 107 MALTON EXPRESS & 109 MEADOWVALE EXPRESS.

It obviously does and Miway announced the detours a few days ahead of the last minute not very customer friendly don't give a damn TTC. 

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The construction on King between Dufferin and Shaw has finished and service will revert to normal next board: 

The 501A will run Humber Loop-McCaul.

The 504B will run Dufferin Gate to Broadview Stn.

The 303, 304 & 504+ will not service Queen and Shaw.

The 63+ will return to it's normal looping.

 

Unrelated, the 329 will return to the Exhibition grounds next board, instead of running through Liberty Village.

Additionally, 72A will be removed next board, service will be shifted to the 72C. Said to create better connections with the 114. 

 

Finally, more changes are coming to service on the Harbourfront:

The 509 streetcar will return, only between Union Stn and Queens Quay/Spadina.

The 510B bus will be extended to Exhibition to replace 509 service west of Spadina.

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9 minutes ago, TTC Guy said:

Additionally, 72A will be removed next board, service will be shifted to the 72C. Said to create better connections with the 114. 

72C comes by Commissioners regularly during the day, but towards the end of PM peak the gaps can be 20+ minutes. So this might help.

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12 minutes ago, Ed T. said:

72C comes by Commissioners regularly during the day, but towards the end of PM peak the gaps can be 20+ minutes. So this might help.

Yeah cause in peak, half the buses short turn at Eastern as 72A. 
 

So 20-22min gaps are considered “on time”.

There is also a major construction scene at the Pape/Donlands split that is causing a backup (lane removal for bike lanes). Plus long stretches of OL construction along Overlea 

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1 minute ago, FlyerD901 said:

72 Eastern (Queen) use to be base service. How times have changed.

Yeah it did but every 72 ran to Commissioners in peak period since 2014 except for a couple of 2016 summer boards right after that 72 ran in Queens Quay. At that time there was a big fuss people were left behind on Commissioners with just the 72B buses. Then they repeated history and here we are again.

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14 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said:

Yeah it did but every 72 ran to Commissioners in peak period since 2014 except for a couple of 2016 summer boards right after that 72 ran in Queens Quay. At that time there was a big fuss people were left behind on Commissioners with just the 72B buses. Then they repeated history and here we are again.

I know ppl like the convenience, but I hope the combine service of 72 doing all the way to thorniffe is not permanent. 

Especially if they still want the Pape bus to head downtown. Maybe the Pape bus can go to East Harbor station after the OL. 

It's only a matter of time before they add bike lanes on Pape Ave, which will further congest Pape. I'm actually surprised they haven't added bike lanes yet. 

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17 minutes ago, FlyerD901 said:

I know ppl like the convenience, but I hope the combine service of 72 doing all the way to thorniffe is not permanent. 

Especially if they still want the Pape bus to head downtown. Maybe the Pape bus can go to East Harbor station after the OL. 

It's only a matter of time before they add bike lanes on Pape Ave, which will further congest Pape. I'm actually surprised they haven't added bike lanes yet. 

I have operated the 72B for 2 board periods while it was active. During afternoon peak periods on weekdays, it got routinely screwed hard by the traffic congestion anywhere west of Cherry and Lakeshore, but especially along Bay Street. If it ever comes back, there would need to be a very frequent C bus to and from Commissioners during peak periods to cover the area it does now, as the traffic congestion downtown will destroy the service on the whole route. 

 

The traffic we have seen on the Leaside bridge from the construction this summer is nothing compared to the s%@tshow downtown that currently screws the 114 and previously the 72B.

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23 hours ago, 5242 said:

The 112B will probably turn back at its former terminus, Eglinton & Skymark. 112C will probably either just follow the 112B before continuing North to Disco Road or just ditch Skymark entirely and will just stay on Renforth.

Also, the renforth closure might impact Miway routes such as the 7 AIRPORT, 39 BRITANNIA, 107 MALTON EXPRESS & 109 MEADOWVALE EXPRESS.

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Turns out I was right, the 112B & C will turn onto Eglinton then on Explorer Drive and then Skymark and will go south on Commerce and on Eglinton again

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1 hour ago, KingOfVP said:

I have operated the 72B for 2 board periods while it was active. During afternoon peak periods on weekdays, it got routinely screwed hard by the traffic congestion anywhere west of Cherry and Lakeshore, but especially along Bay Street. If it ever comes back, there would need to be a very frequent C bus to and from Commissioners during peak periods to cover the area it does now, as the traffic congestion downtown will destroy the service on the whole route. 

 

The traffic we have seen on the Leaside bridge from the construction this summer is nothing compared to the s%@tshow downtown that currently screws the 114 and previously the 72B.

We all know that downtown mess is insane. I’m glad they created the 114 just for that

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Amongst the service changes Oct. 6 per Steve Munro, the 129B will be operated by articulated buses (not sure if thats every day though, it was unclear if he meant just weekends). 
 

To address a topic of discussion here recently, the 307 will use 40 foot buses, but will be scheduled to use runs from other routes, not the 7 Bathurst. So that should theoretically mean the 7 will be all artics, but we’ll see if that actually is the case. 
 

Other interesting ones are that the 501 will no longer be split as the tracks on Richmond and Adelaide are now ready for use. The 501B will cease to exist. The 503 will also loop via Church, York and Wellington, no longer going to Spadina.

510 will be operated by Eglinton and Queensway

Full details here- https://stevemunro.ca/2024/09/27/ttc-service-changes-october-6-2024/

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The 61 is terrible in PM peak cause of the traffic heading onto the 401. They should restore the old 61 to Roe Loop and run a shuttle over the old 1 Armour Heights routing. Instead it got a service reduction cause of the terrible service and the 52 providing most of the backup.

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3 hours ago, yrt1000 said:

Amongst the service changes Oct. 6 per Steve Munro, the 129B will be operated by articulated buses (not sure if thats every day though, it was unclear if he meant just weekends).

You can actually see that only selected runs would receive artics as AM gets +3 and PM gets +5 scheduled artics from McNicoll.

 

There is also a large drop of buses from MtD and Eglinton. That means Queensway is picking up most of the streetcar shuttles as the 501B discontinues.

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4 hours ago, yrt1000 said:

Other interesting ones are that the 501 will no longer be split as the tracks on Richmond and Adelaide are now ready for use. The 501B will cease to exist. The 503 will also loop via Church, York and Wellington, no longer going to Spadina.

 

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Updated September 27 at 3:20pm: The TTC advises that the through-routing of 501 Queen will not, in fact, occur on October 6. Details of interim service arrangements are not yet announced.

 

 

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The TTC open data is actually released today too. I looked at the 129 schedule and it appears as the 129B is converted to artics in the worst way possible.

The 129A would maintain roughly the same headway while the 129B becomes an occasional reliefer. 

AM Peak
129A would operate every 15' instead of 16'
129B would operate every 30' instead of 16'

midday
129A would continue to operate every 30'
129B would operate every 10' instead of 7'30", every 3rd bus operates as 129A instead of every 4th bus operating as 129A

PM Peak
129A would continue to operate every 14'
129B would operate every 28' instead of 14'

evenings
129A would operate every 27' instead of 30'
129B would operate every 9' instead of 7'30", every 3rd bus operates as 129A instead of every 4th bus operating as 129A

late evenings
129B continues to operate every 10'

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The 129 would no longer operate every 10" or better with these changes. Overall capacity would drop as an artic doesn't carry twice the capacity. The 129A would be more crammed as the 2 branches operates as seperate routes without any blending in peak periods. You'll see 14 min headways between 129A buses and long lineups with 129B artics arriving 5-8 min before and 5-8 min after those two 129A trip pairs. Riders would experience being a sardine more often if they arrive at the "wrong" time.

Saturday trips are also scheduled every 10' instead of 7'30", perhaps it is also converted to artics (partially or fully unknown). A and B branches are still interlined. It could be a service reduction too, will need more details.

Sunday trips continues to be 10'. No conclusion from this data.

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The 3 buses scheduled on the 307 Bathurst are schedule from

2x 98 Willowdale-Senlac and 1x 97 Yonge (weekdays)
1x 98 Willowdale-Senlac, 2x 97 Yonge, 1x 104 Faywood, 1x 125 Drewey (Saturday)
1x 97 Yonge, 1x 104 Fawood, 1x 98 Willowdale-Senlac (Sunday overnight)

Sunday morning runs come from all over the place, 60, 63, 90, 97, 101

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2 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

The 3 buses scheduled on the 307 Bathurst are schedule from

2x 98 Willowdale-Senlac and 1x 97 Yonge (weekdays)
1x 98 Willowdale-Senlac, 2x 97 Yonge, 1x 104 Faywood, 1x 125 Drewey (Saturday)
1x 97 Yonge, 1x 104 Fawood, 1x 98 Willowdale-Senlac (Sunday overnight)

Sunday morning runs come from all over the place, 60, 63, 90, 97, 101

Where does the last bus come from throughout the week?  There are 4 buses on 307 weekdays, 6 Saturdays and 4 on Sundays overnight.

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32 minutes ago, Mike said:

Where does the last bus come from throughout the week?  There are 4 buses on 307 weekdays, 6 Saturdays and 4 on Sundays overnight.

The service summary is a lie. There is no recovery time on weekdays and Sunday. Only 5 minutes on Saturday. 

71, 72 and 74 runs are the only runs on the 307 on weekdays/Sunday. Round trip times are 90'+0' not 100'+20'.

The current board does have 6 runs on Saturday (81-86) but next board only has 5 runs. (83 run only does one round trip right now and would be replaced with one of the 5 runs) Round trip times are 95'+5' not 105'+15'.

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Not sure if this has been noted, but the 302 night bus is now operated by Mcnicoll and Birchmount. 2 runs come off of the 129, and 1 from the 12. 
 

Previously it was operated by Malvern (3 runs from the 102), with Birchmount doing some of the morning runs on Sundays 

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