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14 hours ago, blue said:

What I meant was that there aren't much wheelchair users along Huntingwood, let alone riders. People can walk, and plus, Huntingwood is a fairly safe community. Walking will not be a problem when this route gets cut. 

Yeah, in a perfect world, every rider that used the 169 at that time would "just walk", that's obviously not realistic. Just because "people can walk" doesn't mean they will... Try putting yourself into the shoes of a "transit rider" instead of "transit enthusiast". It's 11pm, middle of January, -20, i've just missed the bus, "am I going to wait for the next one?", "am I going to go a different route?". At a certain point, people would consider alternatives than "just walking to a different bus stop". Cabs, Uber, not going at all, etc, I know I would.

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If they can easily consider alternatives, then this isn't much of a loss at all

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2 minutes ago, blue said:

If they can easily consider alternatives, then this isn't much of a loss at all

In this case, it's a loss if the alternative isn't public transit. 

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31 minutes ago, blue said:

If they can easily consider alternatives, then this isn't much of a loss at all

You're not getting it.

 

About 70% of people who take the TTC on a daily basis have access to a car. That means that 70% of those people can easily consider an alternative.

 

Therefore you need to make transit convenient for them. There's lots of ways of doing that - bringing transit closer to them is one way.

 

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Worth noting is that the Huntingwood route runs in a similar environment to the western section of the 42 Cummer route - on a two-lane residential street with bike lanes. If the buses don't have trouble handling Cummer - especially the gradients between Bayview and Leslie, why not Huntingwood?

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4 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

Worth noting is that the Huntingwood route runs in a similar environment to the western section of the 42 Cummer route - on a two-lane residential street with bike lanes. If the buses don't have trouble handling Cummer - especially the gradients between Bayview and Leslie, why not Huntingwood?

Why on earth do you think that the cuts to the 169 are coming because of the physical geography of the land? :blink:

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54 minutes ago, Transit geek said:

Worth noting is that the Huntingwood route runs in a similar environment to the western section of the 42 Cummer route - on a two-lane residential street with bike lanes. If the buses don't have trouble handling Cummer - especially the gradients between Bayview and Leslie, why not Huntingwood?

169 is a flat route most of the time...  Just the bridge on the 404 on Van Horne is the just one of the steep parts...

I'm pretty sure hybrids can tackle that.

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1 hour ago, Transit geek said:

Worth noting is that the Huntingwood route runs in a similar environment to the western section of the 42 Cummer route - on a two-lane residential street with bike lanes. If the buses don't have trouble handling Cummer - especially the gradients between Bayview and Leslie, why not Huntingwood?

Why is that worth noting? The service is being cut due to low ridership, not the "physical geography". The 42 has more than 5x the riders as opposed to the 169... 

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In the Huntingwood area, it's unlikely that most of the residents would consider public transit outside of rush. Most travelers on Huntingwood use public transit during rush hours. Some are more likely to use the bus during the mid-day and weekend daytime. Overall, it currently is a waste of 3 buses running late at night on weekends. This cut may displace a few people, but greater good; perhaps the three buses can be relocated elsewhere more useful.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Transit geek said:

Worth noting is that the Huntingwood route runs in a similar environment to the western section of the 42 Cummer route - on a two-lane residential street with bike lanes. If the buses don't have trouble handling Cummer - especially the gradients between Bayview and Leslie, why not Huntingwood?

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2 hours ago, blue said:

In the Huntingwood area, it's unlikely that most of the residents would consider public transit outside of rush. Most travelers on Huntingwood use public transit during rush hours. Some are more likely to use the bus during the mid-day and weekend daytime. Overall, it currently is a waste of 3 buses running late at night on weekends. This cut may displace a few people, but greater good; perhaps the three buses can be relocated elsewhere more useful.

 

 

 

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It's like central Etobicoke between Eglinton and Dundas. All the north-south routes run through but no one gets on or off. I bet service would be wait less frequent if Line 5 is extended.

For the 5 and 169, it just makes no sense financially to carry 2-10 riders every trip. There is no growth or anything pointing to that direction thus service is being cut.

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11 hours ago, blue said:

In the Huntingwood area, it's unlikely that most of the residents would consider public transit outside of rush. Most travelers on Huntingwood use public transit during rush hours. Some are more likely to use the bus during the mid-day and weekend daytime. Overall, it currently is a waste of 3 buses running late at night on weekends. This cut may displace a few people, but greater good; perhaps the three buses can be relocated elsewhere more useful.

One other thing to consider....

 

Transit trips are extremely seldom one way.

 

What that means is that if there is a trip out, there will almost certainly be a returning trip back at some point. And quite frequently, those trips are made along the same or similar routes.

 

If you take away their service in one direction (in the sense of a service cut at a specific time), they are going to be less inclined to ride in the other direction, not matter how convenient you make it.

 

I can't speak to the service on Huntingwood specifically - I just don't take the route often enough to know what the service patterns are like - but you should fully expect to see a drop-off in ridership above and beyond just what the ridership of the time that is being cancelled. The TTC knows this and is obviously taking this into account. But if you consider yourself a transit fan and someone who wants to promote the service, you would do well to keep this in mind.

 

Dan

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Part of TTC's Line 1 closed for three days this weekend

March 26, 2018

This Friday, the portion of Line 1 Yonge-University between Finch West and Wilson stations will close until start of service on Monday morning as TTC crews perform track work related to Automatic Train Control (ATC) installation. 

Express shuttle buses will run on all three days and all stations will remain open. Wheel-Trans will be available at Finch West and Lawrence West for customers requiring an accessible connection. Customers can speak with any TTC staff member to request service. 
When ATC is fully implemented on Line 1, it will provide a more modern and reliable signal system that will allow for an increase in the number of trains operating on the line. While the TTC does most subway maintenance at the conclusion of service each night, it continues to require weekend closures to complete critical infrastructure and ATC upgrades.

The TTC is committed to keeping our customers informed about subway closures and alternative routes. Customer service ambassadors are available to answer questions throughout the weekend. For the most up-to-date information, subscribe to @TTCnotices on Twitter or sign up for eAlerts at ttc.ca. 

The next scheduled subway closures are:
-       April 8: Line 2 Bloor-Danforth - St George to Broadview - late opening for track work
-       April 14-15: Line 2 - Kipling to Jane for track work
-       April 21-22: Line 1 - St Clair West to Union for ATC signal upgrades

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