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This bus model looks crappy. When I first saw it, I thought it was a joke. Please New Flyer, don't make a another new model look like a NovaBus LFS or a VanHool product.

All a matter of taste, but it looks a lot better to me than the Flyer D901, D40, and D40LF, unless you like that whole "shoebox-on-wheels" look from the 80's. Reliable, but boring IMHO.

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(I'll give the VI a chance Mike, no need on explaining why VI are a bit better due to the seats being comfy)
If seat comfort is high on your list that makes a bus model good or not, you should goto Victoria and ride some of their newer buses! (Especially the DE40LFs.) They are great. -_-

That being said, can you explain how you dislike certain bus models because the transit agency didn't order them with nice seats?

CMBC's first E40LFR (2101) is officially labeled as an 'E40LF' on it's builder's plate. I assume the same practice is being followed by the Xcelsior, labeling it as an DE40LFR (although it's an 'upgrade' I guess to the LFR).
It was also the prototype model for the E40LFRs, and the LFR design in general. I can't explain Edmonton's though. :P (Unless those serial numbers were slated to be D40LFs, but Edmonton's order took over)
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If seat comfort is high on your list that makes a bus model good or not, you should goto Victoria and ride some of their newer buses! (Especially the DE40LFs.) They are great. -_-

That being said, can you explain how you dislike certain bus models because the transit agency didn't order them with nice seats?

Well, for one thing, those seats we have on our LFSs aren't bad for short trips, but if you have to sit on them for nearly an hour, they kill your ass and back pretty quickly.

And I don't think I'd want those vandal-resistant seats on our RTSs, what with the suspension sending you into the air when you hit a crack in the road. Can you imagine going over a series of bumps with them? :P

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If seat comfort is high on your list that makes a bus model good or not, you should goto Victoria and ride some of their newer buses! (Especially the DE40LFs.) They are great. -_-

That being said, can you explain how you dislike certain bus models because the transit agency didn't order them with nice seats?

It's not the seats. As I said before somewhere on this board, I'm anti-Low Floor/Swamp Buggies, but I love the good ol' high floors! Mike basically also hates Low floor buses, but he actually likes the VI because they are the only model OC Transpo has with comfy seats. I hope I cleared some things up with you, that way my taste towards buses isn't fuzzy.

Point55. :P

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It's not the seats. As I said before somewhere on this board, I'm anti-Low Floor/Swamp Buggies, but I love the good ol' high floors! Mike basically also hates Low floor buses, but he actually likes the VI because they are the only model OC Transpo has with comfy seats. I hope I cleared some things up with you, that way my taste towards buses isn't fuzzy.

Point55. -_-

You should ride the 1997-98 Orion VI version with different axle and hard seats, those one will tick you off!

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Thanks. That's twice we agree on something. What's in the water? -_-

Anyway, you and I seem to be the only ones who like those inveros and I'm not sure why. People say they are junk? What's wrong with them? We only have 10 of them here, they are still 40' in length and none of the seats is any more crowded than those in the D40LF. Surely they could adopt the seating plan for this or future new models?

I've even got a large picture of an Invero on my wall, I love them, it was an advertisement from Burlington Transit that a friend gave me a few years ago, back when the Invero was new, I've also done LONG rides (2+ hours) in various Inveros and I find them to be more comfortable than most other buses, I like the seating plan that Burlington has, the wheelchair seating is nicely placed and when in use only takes 3 seats each side, and they LOOK NICE inside, I love the seating option that Burlington went for, I'm not a skinny woman and I fit VERY comfortably in the seats. I also like the styling of the bus itself, it just has a nice line to it. I also like the engine sounds and they are remarkably quiet on the inside, other than the engine you really dont hear a lot of "Road Noise" I also like where the stop request cords and buttons are, other than needing one more button closer to the front of the bus on the door side, they are in good places..

Need I say more? lol, Yeah I love them,

Here are some pics for you to enjoy..

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I can definitely see LACMTA getting some of the Xcelsiors in the future.

It has to be other alternative fuel as diesel are banned from Southern California!

I rode a semi-suburban Invero in Aspen, Colorado a few months ago. It was very comfortable and smooth -- and, to this day, it's one of the only three transit buses I've fallen asleep aboard (the other two being suburban Gillig LF BRTs in Colorado Springs.)

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Community Transit Invero does have a full back suburban seating.

What's that object at the front?

Worst legroom ever! I barely fit in!

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The bar on the front is (I believe) some sort of bike rack, although I don't know how it works. (RFTA's buses also have ski racks fitted to their sides during winter, although the picture was taken in summer so the ski racks aren't there.)

I'd be willing to bet money that LACMTA doesn't order the Xcelsior -- first of all, it's a diesel-electric hybrid (that's a no-no), not to mention the fact that LACMTA's been ordering solely from NABI for its non-contracted services for this entire decade.

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I've even got a large picture of an Invero on my wall, I love them, it was an advertisement from Burlington Transit that a friend gave me a few years ago, back when the Invero was new, I've also done LONG rides (2+ hours) in various Inveros and I find them to be more comfortable than most other buses, I like the seating plan that Burlington has, the wheelchair seating is nicely placed and when in use only takes 3 seats each side, and they LOOK NICE inside, I love the seating option that Burlington went for, I'm not a skinny woman and I fit VERY comfortably in the seats. I also like the styling of the bus itself, it just has a nice line to it. I also like the engine sounds and they are remarkably quiet on the inside, other than the engine you really dont hear a lot of "Road Noise" I also like where the stop request cords and buttons are, other than needing one more button closer to the front of the bus on the door side, they are in good places..

Need I say more? lol, Yeah I love them,

Quiet? OMG. I've been on them 3 times and man they're one of the loudest buses I've rode; second to the 2006 VIIs with ISL and matching D40LFs with ISL (pre EPA 2007).

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Quiet? OMG. I've been on them 3 times and man they're one of the loudest buses I've rode; second to the 2006 VIIs with ISL and matching D40LFs with ISL (pre EPA 2007).

I think the aptly-named retarder on the Inveros is the worst of the noise.

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The Inveros are not quiet. That is for certain. You can hear them from quite a distance. Still like them though.

And the OC VI's are really good buses. People might have some sort of biased against them, but you have to admit, OCs batch came out pretty good.

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Quiet? OMG. I've been on them 3 times and man they're one of the loudest buses I've rode; second to the 2006 VIIs with ISL and matching D40LFs with ISL (pre EPA 2007).

I meant quiet as in, other traffic, and road noise.

The Inveros ARE loud, but I love the sound of the engine.

I think the aptly-named retarder on the Inveros is the worst of the noise.

Yep, it is, I hate the noise the OC Transpo ones make, a friend and I were in Ottawa for a week last year, we rode a LOT of buses and took about 200 pictures.....

Worst legroom ever! I barely fit in!

LOL, Yeah you are a LOT taller than me, so you would know..

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A 'good' Orion VI? Impossible. What, does it seat 28 people instead of 27?

They're considered good when you look at the rest of OC's fleet... their D40is are par for their course (bad), and OC has very unreliable batches of D60LFs. The OC VIs are average or above average when it comes to all VIs, so they look like angels inside OC -_-.

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Some LFS seating arrangements are just as bad.

Depends, if it's face-forward before the 3 last seater, not much legroom.

Try the Orion VII with all face-forward at the rear section, it's just as bad!

The Inveros are not quiet. That is for certain. You can hear them from quite a distance. Still like them though.

And the OC VI's are really good buses. People might have some sort of biased against them, but you have to admit, OCs batch came out pretty good.

I have to agree. I had someone who used to live in Kingston in 1999 and he checked the OC Orion VI when it was new, he told in exact wording on how the other Orion VI system he's been on and best seats ever!

A 'good' Orion VI? Impossible. What, does it seat 28 people instead of 27?

TTC seats 28. HSR I belive 29.

OC and London seats 33.

Other system can sit 32 with rear door all the way to the end. Centre door I don't remember, I belive it's 32 too.

Oakville 2001 model with centre door and raised platform with rear wheel seating can seat upto 38.

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Overall i like the bus, the name fits it, but it does look like a New Flyer D40LFR and an Orion VII-NG thrown together. The NG is in the headlights.

Dont forget that the NG VIIs headlights somewhat resemble those of the original D40LF (yes the VII and V also but), not to mention the D40HF, the D901, and so on. NFI was using the square headlights before anyone was (D901/D40HF vs Orion I). Not to mention that the NG VII gets the turn signal location straight from the D40LF and D40HF.

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Dont forget that the NG VIIs headlights somewhat resemble those of the original D40LF (yes the VII and V also but), not to mention the D40HF, the D901, and so on. NFI was using the square headlights before anyone was (D901/D40HF vs Orion I). Not to mention that the NG VII gets the turn signal location straight from the D40LF and D40HF.

You do know that this is one manufacture that makes the same turn signals and headlights.

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Dont forget that the NG VIIs headlights somewhat resemble those of the original D40LF (yes the VII and V also but), not to mention the D40HF, the D901, and so on. NFI was using the square headlights before anyone was (D901/D40HF vs Orion I). Not to mention that the NG VII gets the turn signal location straight from the D40LF and D40HF.

All the buses you mentioned use standardised DOT sealed-beam headlights.

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