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On 8/20/2021 at 4:12 PM, MCIBUS said:

It's possible that might be 1 of 4 OC Transpo's test XE40 buses we suppose to get?

OCs were painted in the LRT Maple Leaf Livery and have already been sent south a few weeks back as far as I know

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Hey, so I don’t know if anyone else can speak to this but my agency has received a batch of XE35s and while I love them, they seem to ride VERY low. I grew up riding on XN40s and I don’t recall them being super rough but now that I drive the XE35s, it feels like they bottom out just going over manhole covers. Our roads aren’t great but I don’t know. Do the XE35s ride lower for some reason compared to the other Xcelsior models? 

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On 1/26/2022 at 10:21 PM, busboy335 said:

Hey, so I don’t know if anyone else can speak to this but my agency has received a batch of XE35s and while I love them, they seem to ride VERY low. I grew up riding on XN40s and I don’t recall them being super rough but now that I drive the XE35s, it feels like they bottom out just going over manhole covers. Our roads aren’t great but I don’t know. Do the XE35s ride lower for some reason compared to the other Xcelsior models? 

I believe they do. I’ve driven XDE40/60 and never had any issues with the steel plate smashing the curb, with these new XE40(35) even the slighted overhang will grind and smash the steel plate. Defiantly a lower bus 

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That’s what I though. Half the time, it doesn’t feel like a steel plate but like something else underneath too. (Only the steel plate when you REALLY bottom out). I wish it weren’t so because they’re awesome busses. 

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On 2/13/2022 at 10:08 PM, tommike said:

Do any one know how many xe60 being made for this year?

It depends on how much North American agencies want to order. Finding information like that is pretty difficult considering Xcelsiors are made like everyday

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So, another random question. Does anyone know if NFI started using a new front axle from maybe like 2019 onwards? I used to ride on 2012 models of XN40’s and their ride quality was great, but I recently rode on NCTD’s 2021 model of XN40 and it seemed like the front axles had a rough time with certain bumps, feeling like you bottomed out even though you hadn’t. The XE35s that my company just received also drive like this. Any thoughts? 

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On 3/29/2022 at 9:01 AM, busboy335 said:

So, another random question. Does anyone know if NFI started using a new front axle from maybe like 2019 onwards? I used to ride on 2012 models of XN40’s and their ride quality was great, but I recently rode on NCTD’s 2021 model of XN40 and it seemed like the front axles had a rough time with certain bumps, feeling like you bottomed out even though you hadn’t. The XE35s that my company just received also drive like this. Any thoughts? 

Mabye it got its axle replaced only on that bus? I have no idea though, our 2021 XDE60s feel the same like our other ones.

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Well I haven’t ridden on a newer 60footer so im not sure but the 40 and 35 footers do it. I rode multiple examples of it at both agencies and they all did it. Unless MAN redesigned the front axel that new flyer uses 

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On 3/31/2022 at 6:56 PM, Bob2 said:

Google “smartrider” and “smartrider plus”

Interesting, I knew they had a new suspension system in use for the Xcelsior but didn’t know the advancements it claims. The XE40’s in Ottawa are definitely lower to the ground which almost eliminates the need to lower the bus. This also comes with a lot of negative effects however, rough ride quality ( you can hear the suspension creaking while driving.) it smashes the steel plate on rougher roads with potholes and when approaching a bus stop on a curve you will scrape the steel plate on the front right.. sometimes advancements aren’t needed when the low floor height is already quite low. 
 

For reference I’ve driven XD40, XDE40/60 and XE40 and the XE is the only model I’ve ever had it grind a steel plate on a bumpy road 

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Has anyone who has driven the Xcelcisor especially ones built from 2013-17 noticed a fairly significant shaking in the steering when the bus gets above 50 MPH or so? Whenever I take my agency’s XD40s on the highway, the steering wheel just shakes back and forth like crazy. Anyone know why this is?

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On 6/4/2022 at 2:06 AM, jdbraun said:

Has anyone who has driven the Xcelcisor especially ones built from 2013-17 noticed a fairly significant shaking in the steering when the bus gets above 50 MPH or so? Whenever I take my agency’s XD40s on the highway, the steering wheel just shakes back and forth like crazy. Anyone know why this is?

That is unfortunately sounding like your agency slacking on maintenance. there’s some mechanics/technicians on this board such as @Bus_Medicwho would know the actual reason but a bus shouldn’t be shaking at only 80kmh

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22 hours ago, ZümmyZüm said:

That is unfortunately sounding like your agency slacking on maintenance. there’s some mechanics/technicians on this board such as @Bus_Medicwho would know the actual reason but a bus shouldn’t be shaking at only 80kmh

Typically it’s the quality of the tires- especially the front axle and/or their balance (or lack therof). Many transit outfits don’t bother to balance mounted tires because they simply don’t go fast enough for it to matter.

I’ll also add that new flyer is not unique for this symptom. It’s pretty universal.

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On 6/6/2022 at 5:34 PM, Bus_Medic said:

Typically it’s the quality of the tires- especially the front axle and/or their balance (or lack therof). Many transit outfits don’t bother to balance mounted tires because they simply don’t go fast enough for it to matter.

I’ll also add that new flyer is not unique for this symptom. It’s pretty universal.

Ah the balance issue would make sense. They usually are able to get it fixed when the bus is scheduled for highway trips, but it usually comes back after a few months. Our Orion VIIs never had this issue, so I had always figured it was an issue with New Flyers. Thanks for the info. 

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