smallspy Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Is there perhaps some aerodynamic benefit from the roof rails as well? Absolutely, positively, none. There isn't much aerodynamic benefit to be had on a bus to begin with, and the only way to improve it up topside would be to fully enclose everything above the roof rails. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX BRT Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Thanks to member Chris942633 who uncovered a set of photos on Flickr of new hybrid Xcelsiors for Champaign-Urbana MTD being built. Check 'em out! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cumtd/sets/72157632221798043/with/8280731815/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thank you for posting! Very comprehensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thank you for posting! Very comprehensive. Now we know the front end of the bus is part of the frame, unlike their other LF models they have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I can also see how spindly that rear axle walking beam is.... Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Now we know the front end of the bus is part of the frame, unlike their other LF models they have! The front module has always been integral into the frame of the vehicle. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I can also see how spindly that rear axle walking beam is.... Yikes. Where is that photo to be exact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Look for the one with the rear axle assembly sitting on the shop dolly, awaiting installation to the chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX BRT Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Look for the one with the rear axle assembly sitting on the shop dolly, awaiting installation to the chassis. Thanks Medic! Is this the photo? Do you think it is "spindly" because they wanted weight reduction? Have anything to do with using disc brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Yep, that's it. All those holes in the walking beam to save weight leave me uneasy about its long term integrity. Nothing to do with the brakes, I do prefer drums, but heave duty disc brakes have improved markedly. Fewer seized calipers, consistent slack adjustment, shoe lifespan etc... And of course, they do weigh less. Gonna find out how good they are soon enough. The novabus artics we're getting will have them on all 6 wheels, no optional drum brakes available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD901 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Yep, that's it. All those holes in the walking beam to save weight leave me uneasy about its long term integrity. Nothing to do with the brakes, I do prefer drums, but heave duty disc brakes have improved markedly. Fewer seized calipers, consistent slack adjustment, shoe lifespan etc... And of course, they do weigh less. Gonna find out how good they are soon enough. The novabus artics we're getting will have them on all 6 wheels, no optional drum brakes available. These will be the first buses to have all wheel disc brakes since the Orion VI? Do you know if the 8300 have all wheel disc brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 8300s have the standard all wheel drum brakes. The 9200s had discs on the front only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 8300s have the standard all wheel drum brakes. The 9200s had discs on the front only. GO coaches are all disk brakes and they perform much better on shorter distance braking. Lets hoping someone doesn't do brake abuse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous guy Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Haven't seen too many interior photos of the 60 foot Xcelsiors (there are no Xcelsior coaches with my local agency), but are the front-and-reverse facing seats a standard option for seating over the 2nd wheel wells? Seems like a polarizing choice. I've always thought that New Flyer should be able to shoehorn two front facing rows over the 2nd wheel wells on coaches like the D60LFs if the platforms over the wheel wells were a little higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Haven't seen too many interior photos of the 60 foot Xcelsiors (there are no Xcelsior coaches with my local agency), but are the front-and-reverse facing seats a standard option for seating over the 2nd wheel wells? Seems like a polarizing choice. I've always thought that New Flyer should be able to shoehorn two front facing rows over the 2nd wheel wells on coaches like the D60LFs if the platforms over the wheel wells were a little higher. There's two options so far for that area: 2 forward facing plus 1 side facing (ZUM has this) 2 forward facing plus 2 backward facing (NYCMTA has this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous guy Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Thanks for the info on that. One of the "selling points" of the Xcelsior model during its introduction was the ability to allow more front facing seating. I hoped that the newer 60 foot model would be able to match the 40 footer in that regard, but the middle axle does make things difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Thanks for the info on that. One of the "selling points" of the Xcelsior model during its introduction was the ability to allow more front facing seating. I hoped that the newer 60 foot model would be able to match the 40 footer in that regard, but the middle axle does make things difficult. It does have more forward facing seats than the 60LF model. Besides the wheelchair seats at the front and the backward OR sideway facing seats above the middle wheel, all other seats can be configured to be forward facing in the Xcelsior artic model. The 60LF on the other hand had to have sideway facing seats above the middle wheel, opposite the rear doors (due to fuel tank), and above the rear wheels. So to answer your question, it does exceed the number of forward facing seats compared to the 40ft Xcelsior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 As in the Orange County Transportation Authority thread , Exercises Option To Purchase 20 Xcelsior Artics http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?showtopic=11894&view=findpost&p=584807 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAverageJoe Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 http://www.newflyer.com/index/2013_01_17_orange_county_award http://www.newflyer.com/index/maryland-transit-purchase-10-60foot-xcelsiors http://www.newflyer.com/index/stanislaus-county-40-foot-xcelsior http://www.newflyer.com/index/maple-grove-transit-60-foot-xcelsior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCPublicTransitFan Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 For me, I prefer the seats to face sideways. Translink 's Pre-1999 40LF have really cramped forward seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabinut Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 MTA Maryland finished putting in service the last of its 2012 order of 53 coaches. Soon they will begin receiving 10 XDE60s numbered 12081-12090. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deandremouse Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Just something I thought I'd share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 So that's where they stuffed the air tanks into.... Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general682002 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 So that's where they stuffed the air tanks into.... Thought you know where is it already, quite common for LF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 They've been up there since the d40lf came about. Nova has a similar arrangement. Orion placed 2 tanks longitudinally in the top of the engine compartment ( each tank has internal dividers, effectively making 4 tanks) And one tank roughly directly under the driver's seat, again with internal compartments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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