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2 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Off-topic a bit here, but based on the poor-performing LFS HEV order, I’m assuming the MTA will probably be getting XDE60s to replace the 2010 LFSAs, correct?

This hasn’t been confirmed yet. Plus the TA hasn’t announced yet when the 2010 LFSA’s to be replaced yet.  

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9 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

This hasn’t been confirmed yet. Plus the TA hasn’t announced yet when the 2010 LFSA’s to be replaced yet.  

It will likely be by 2023-2024 though. Those buses are beat to hell. The 1200s were always out of shitty depots.

Also, 2006 Orion 7.501 OG hybrid #6752 is done. Retired out of Michael J Quill Depot.

The OG 7s maybe gone from Manhattan by the weekend honestly,  especially when more LFS hybrids return. 

Additionally,  2009 Orion 7.501 Next Generation hybrid #4369 is now an FDNY training unit, similar to 2009 Orion 7.501 Next Generation CNG #1702 for the NCFD.

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59 minutes ago, Chris.A said:

2006 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids #6700, #6737, and #6747 are the last remaining OGs on the entire Borough. Get them while you can, as this could possibly be their last day in service...

Only three left? I for sure thought there's more of them in service? Nobody is rly updating the OG page on CPTDB now as I think of it.

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2021 New Flyer XDE40 hybrids #9543 and #9545 are currently inbound to Brooklyn. Should be there by the end of the day to East New York Depot if not already. 

The base XDE40 order will soon come to a close and then the #9400s and the new XD40s will be rolling in (alongside the new Diesel LFS's and the remaining LFS hybrids). Expect about 60-70% of the Orion 7.501 Next Generation fleet to be retired by next summer.

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$6.9 Billion of Second Avenue subway Phase II.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-second-ave-subway-tunnel-gov-hochul-20211124-xdwpezc4mjg5hjy23jxjzl5ezi-story.html

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Gov. Hochul sees light at end of NYC’s long-abandoned Second Ave. subway tunnel during tour with MTA chief
By Clayton Guse
November 23, 2021 7:42 PM

 

New York is about to build the world’s most expensive subway line — a project that’s been in the works for a century. Gov. Hochul on Tuesday toured a long-abandoned tunnel beneath Second Ave. in East Harlem that Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials plan to repurpose for the second phase of the Second Ave. subway.

The tunnel will help extend the Q line from its current northern terminus at Second Ave. and E. 96th St. to E. 125th St. and Lexington Ave. with two new stations in between.

The old tunnel runs between E. 110th St. and E. 120th St., and was dug in the early 1970s. Work stopped in 1974 amid the city’s financial crisis.

Extending the Second Ave. Subway 1.6 miles to Harlem will cost an estimated $6.3 billion, say MTA officials.

That’s $3.9 billion per mile, far and away the highest cost of any subway extension project in the history of the world, according to a study by researchers at New York University’s Marron Institute.

The price does not include the cost to use debt to finance the project, which brings the total bill to $6.9 billion.

The MTA has for more than two years awaited movement by the Federal Transit Administration to approve $3.4 billion to get the project going. Hochul on Tuesday said the money would come soon thanks to the infrastructure bill signed by President Biden earlier this month.

“We think we can get started one year from now,” Hochul said. Acting MTA chairman Janno Lieber said the sky-high price tag was a “bargain.”

“It will serve, when it opens, as many people as the entire Philadelphia subway system,” said Lieber.

“Everybody likes to talk about cost, but you’ve got to look at how many people it serves,” he said. “By the standards of riders, this is an incredibly efficient project, especially compared to everything else that comes before the federal government for funding.”

MTA filings to the feds estimate the construction of the extension will take seven years to finish. If that holds true, trains won’t run beneath Second Ave. in East Harlem until at least the end of 2029.

“I’m doing it in my terms in office, so it’s going to be a lot less than that,” Hochul said. She hopes the project will be speeded up by the controversial “design-build” contracting method the MTA has since 2019 been required by state law to employ.

Under design-build, the MTA consolidates design and construction work into a single contract rather than multiple separate contracts. Its impact on speeding up projects is not yet clear.

Hochul is the ninth governor to hold office since the East Harlem tunnel project broke ground during Nelson Rockefeller’s administration.

Plans to build the Second Ave. subway date back to the 1920s, when private companies ran the city’s subway lines. But it never came to fruition.

The abandoned tunnel Hochul toured is dusty, rusty and tattered — and it’s not the only one. The MTA in 1974 also stopped work on another Second Ave. tunnel between 99th and 105th Sts. that Lieber said will also be repurposed.

Another tunnel built by the city under Canal St. in Chinatown for the Second Ave. subway was also abandoned — but changes to the line’s plan mean it’s no longer needed.

The Second Ave. subway’s construction was approved in 1967 when New York voters OK’d $2.5 billion of bonds to pay for transportation improvements.

At the time, city and state officials planned for the line to run along Manhattan’s East Side up into the Bronx. If MTA officials ever make good plans for the line’s final two phases, the line would one day stretch from 125th St. to Hanover Square in the Financial District.

The money approved in 1967 was also supposed to pay for a set of double-decker East River tunnels, one of which now carries the F line between Manhattan and Queens. The other tunnel is being used for the MTA’s East Side Access project to bring Long Island Rail Road trains into a new station beneath Grand Central Terminal, which is expected to open to the public in Dec. 2022.

 

 

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8 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

That is not going to be done in any of our lifetimes...

2012-13 New Flyer C40LF CNGs #528 and #629 are now at Spring Creek Depot from College Point. 

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Seems that according to an updated NYCT bus roster, with the exception of buses #7047, #7049, and #7054, all 2011-2012 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesels are active out of Castleton depot, bringing the total to 87 buses. The other 3 are either still awaiting repairs or are retired. 

Also, there are 6 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids left in Manhattan. #6700, #6709, #6737, and #6747 at MJQ and #6757, and #6761 at MCH depot. 

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2 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Seems that according to an updated NYCT bus roster, with the exception of buses #7047, #7049, and #7054, all 2011-2012 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesels are active out of Castleton depot, bringing the total to 87 buses. The other 3 are either still awaiting repairs or are retired. 

Also, there are 6 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids left in Manhattan. #6700, #6709, #6737, and #6747 at MJQ and #6757, and #6761 at MCH depot. 

so all the buses loss from Ida are being repaired and returning to service?

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7 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Seems that according to an updated NYCT bus roster, with the exception of buses #7047, #7049, and #7054, all 2011-2012 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesels are active out of Castleton depot, bringing the total to 87 buses. The other 3 are either still awaiting repairs or are retired. 

Also, there are 6 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids left in Manhattan. #6700, #6709, #6737, and #6747 at MJQ and #6757, and #6761 at MCH depot. 

Interesting about 7054... It was sitting at Yukon with 7065 and a Castleton Prevost on the side lot for a bit as recently as two weeks ago (have been off from work for 2 weeks). Prior reports were 7047 was a write off. What about the rest of the Nova's and express busses out of Castleton? 

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4 hours ago, Len90 said:

Interesting about 7054... It was sitting at Yukon with 7065 and a Castleton Prevost on the side lot for a bit as recently as two weeks ago (have been off from work for 2 weeks). Prior reports were 7047 was a write off. What about the rest of the Nova's and express busses out of Castleton? 

I know 2019 Novabus LFS #8703 recently came back to service as well as 2015 LFS #8245. Not sure if others like #8400 is in the works yet.

 

3 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said:

What other buses are still out of service from Ida?

How many more OGs are still running for MTA Bus Company?

Around 250-255 units are left. The MTA don't seem to be in as big of a rush to get rid of these as they are with the NYCT versions.

Just now, Chris.A said:

I know 2019 Novabus LFS #8703 recently came back to service as well as 2015 LFS #8245. Not sure if others like #8400 is in the works yet.

 

Around 250-255 units are left. The MTA don't seem to be in as big of a rush to get rid of these as they are with the NYCT versions.

About 5-6 other LFS's including #8702 and #8714.

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2012 Novabus LFSA artic #5863 is now back at Kingsbridge Depot after being loaned to West Farms Depot for a few days.

 Fun fact, West Farms Depot has over 100+ 2011-2012 Novabus LFSAs! Didn't realize that had so many, lol.

I assumed that these along with the 2017-18 New Flyer XN60 CNG artics replaced the D60HFs and the Orion 7.501 OG CNGs from 2004-2005. Miss those buses...

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Just drove Yukon right now. Castleton buses seen:

Nova: 8244 on the hook of a tow truck behind the depot

Orion: 7054 and 7065 (haven’t moved in a month from that side lot)

Prevost: 2660 (been parked with 7054 and 7065 for a month) and now joining them 2645

 

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On 11/30/2021 at 8:22 AM, Len90 said:

Just drove Yukon right now. Castleton buses seen:

Nova: 8244 on the hook of a tow truck behind the depot

Orion: 7054 and 7065 (haven’t moved in a month from that side lot)

Prevost: 2660 (been parked with 7054 and 7065 for a month) and now joining them 2645

 

I forgot about #7065...

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On 11/23/2021 at 4:51 PM, Chris.A said:

2021 New Flyer XDE40 hybrids #9543 and #9545 are currently inbound to Brooklyn. Should be there by the end of the day to East New York Depot if not already. 

The base XDE40 order will soon come to a close and then the #9400s and the new XD40s will be rolling in (alongside the new Diesel LFS's and the remaining LFS hybrids). Expect about 60-70% of the Orion 7.501 Next Generation fleet to be retired by next summer.

The bold part of your statement is completely inaccurate. Those 2 buses are heading to Grand Avenue. Too add on this 9535 also heading to Grand is at the vendor at this time.  Grand Avenue is scheduled to receive units 9535-9559.  
 

East New York has the remaining units: 9510-9513, 9529, 9532, 9534 left to be delivered. 
 

East New York has received 9518, 9523, 9529, 9530, 9533 as of this past week. 9523 is at Zerega CMF being worked on.  The East New York XDE40 delivery so far as follows: 9514-9528, 9530, 9531, 9533. 

On 11/19/2021 at 6:48 PM, Chris.A said:

I believe MCH depot got rid of all of their units. Ditto for Manhattanville.

MCH still has their OG units they haven’t been marked scrapped as of yet and there are some BAE units out of service due to various issues. I don’t have the units at hand right now but from what I was told it’s no more than 10 units that are out of service at this time. 

On 11/28/2021 at 1:17 PM, Chris.A said:

Seems that according to an updated NYCT bus roster, with the exception of buses #7047, #7049, and #7054, all 2011-2012 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesels are active out of Castleton depot, bringing the total to 87 buses. The other 3 are either still awaiting repairs or are retired. 

Also, there are 6 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids left in Manhattan. #6700, #6709, #6737, and #6747 at MJQ and #6757, and #6761 at MCH depot. 

Which updated bus roster are you referring to. The last roster update was done sometime in September if my memory serves correctly. 

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1 hour ago, NYC2MTL said:

The bold part of your statement is completely inaccurate. Those 2 buses are heading to Grand Avenue. Too add on this 9535 also heading to Grand is at the vendor at this time.  Grand Avenue is scheduled to receive units 9535-9559.  
 

East New York has the remaining units: 9510-9513, 9529, 9532, 9534 left to be delivered. 
 

East New York has received 9518, 9523, 9529, 9530, 9533 as of this past week. 9523 is at Zerega CMF being worked on.  The East New York XDE40 delivery so far as follows: 9514-9528, 9530, 9531, 9533. 

MCH still has their OG units they haven’t been marked scrapped as of yet and there are some BAE units out of service due to various issues. I don’t have the units at hand right now but from what I was told it’s no more than 10 units that are out of service at this time. 

Which updated bus roster are you referring to. The last roster update was done sometime in September if my memory serves correctly. 

The Google sites Roster. According to them, 87 of the 90 buses are active...

Also, I thought ENY was due to get all of #9510-9559, while GA gets some 9400s?

Additionally, do you know of any confirmed depot assignments for the new Diesel LFS's, XD40s, and remaining option XDE40 hybrids?

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9536, 9538, 9539. Delivered to Grand Avenue. 

1351. Delivered to College Point 

1433, 1435, 1436 delivered to Far Rockaway depot.  

9523, 9529 assigned to East New York, currently at Zerega CMF. 

1434 assigned to Far Rockaway depot currently at Zerega CMF.  

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