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On 7/2/2021 at 9:21 AM, RailBus63 said:

According to this document, the plan is for 1,015 cars for fleet replacement and 597 cars 'for Second Avenue Subway and future service growth'.  As you noted, the R46 and SI R44 fleets total only around 810 cars, so that leaves 205 or so other cars that are theoretically being replaced.  That could be the number to get the fleet and spare ratios back to where they should be after the remaining R32 and R42 cars were sidelined.  Given the long timeframe for Second Ave. phase 2 construction as well as ridership losses from Covid and uncertainty of if and when those riders return, they could well decide to retire the R68 and R68A fleets with those 800 or so cars also. 

A random question, but does anyone remember NYCTA's 1994-1995 Orion 5 CNGs (#317, and #581-610) and what their original transmission was? I can't remember if it was a ZF HP592 or an Allison World B400R later on? I know they used to have Cummins L10G engines prior to Fall 2003. 

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The following buses are currently in Secaucus and are enroute to the following depots:

Manhattanville: 9714, 9757, 9762-63, 9770, 9739, 9740, 9745, 9750, 9752, 9773, 9700. 

Kingsbridge: 9661.

4066: Fresh Pond Depot ---> Eastchester Scrap ----> Gun Hill Depot.

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Does anyone know the reason why the MTA is not repainting the pre-2016-17 buses in the newer Cuomo scheme. I would think they would have included the 2011-15 XD40s, 2011-16 LFS's, 2011-13 LFSAs, 2011-13 C40LF CNGs, 2011-12 Orion VII EPA10 3Gs, and just about everything else post NG era?

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22 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

1398- Active/in service at E'Chester.

1584, 1586 currently in Secaucus, enroute to meredith later on this week.

@Orion6025 Check your messages. I have a few updates for you.

UPDATE: 1585 at Meredith Avenue 

Does anyone know the reason why the MTA is not repainting the pre-2016-17 buses in the newer Cuomo scheme. I would think they would have included the 2011-15 XD40s, 2011-16 LFS's, 2011-13 LFSAs, 2011-13 C40LF CNGs, 2011-12 Orion VII EPA10 3Gs, and  everything else post NG era? I am really curious.

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The FAA has approved the AirTrain extension from LaGuardia to Manhattan. The extension will go up to Citi Field where riders could transfer to the Long Island Railroad or the 7. Just waiting for federal funding the article stated (if I’m not inaccurate).

https://abc7ny.com/10900192/?ex_cid=TA_WABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0mFjxOFD5mDuT6dZZaB4ec3_6cVmuGLVn8C8VChCSo0gpEeRid7mLAvZk

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9573, 9577, 9578, 9580. All delivered to MCH

3851, 3868- Manhattanville to MCH

3934, 3935, 3936, 3938- Tuskegee Airmen to MJQ.

1584, 1586. Delivered to Meredith.

21 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Does anyone know the reason why the MTA is not repainting the pre-2016-17 buses in the newer Cuomo scheme. I would think they would have included the 2011-15 XD40s, 2011-16 LFS's, 2011-13 LFSAs, 2011-13 C40LF CNGs, 2011-12 Orion VII EPA10 3Gs, and  everything else post NG era? I am really curious.

I have no clue to this question.  Apologies for the late response.  Maybe @Orion6025 might have a slight idea.

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3 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

The following buses are delivered to Manhattanville:

9714, 9735, 9739, 9752, 9756, 9757, 9762, 9763, 9765, 9770, 9772, 9773. All delivered to Manhattanville

9700, 9716. at Secaucus

Got word from NYCTF that 2009 Orion VII NG hybrid #4212 MIGHT be retired out of Casey Stengel depot. Awaiting confirmation.

Also 2007 Orion VII OG hybrid #6888 is retired out of Queens Village depot (confirmed) along with 4 more 6700 series hybrids, #6772 being among them.

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34 minutes ago, Chris.A said:

Got word from NYCTF that 2009 Orion VII NG hybrid #4212 MIGHT be retired out of Casey Stengel depot. Awaiting confirmation.

Also 2007 Orion VII OG hybrid #6888 is retired out of Queens Village depot (confirmed) along with 4 more 6700 series hybrids, #6772 being among them.

No sir.. Incorrect on this one.. 4212 was working this morning, and bus is still at Casey Stengel Depot...

However, the following models are retired from 

Mother Clara Hale: 6758, 6762, 6774, 6777, 6766, 6772, 6775, 6780.

Charleston: 4326, 4329

MJQ: 6747, 6753

Spring Creek: 3154

Queens Village: 6888.

Yonkers: 3075

College Point: 3042

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The following buses are awaiting scrap:

2006 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids: #6691, #6708, #6723, #6747 (at MJQ), #6749, #6753 (also at MJQ OOS), #6759, and #6763.

2009-2010 Orion 7.501 Next Generation hybrids : #3968, #3989, #4563. These are shockers, especially the 4500s. #3968 has it's rear destination sign removed, so it's done.

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14 hours ago, Chris.A said:

The following buses are awaiting scrap:

2006 Orion 7.501 OG hybrids: #6691, #6708, #6723, #6747 (at MJQ), #6749, #6753 (also at MJQ OOS), #6759, and #6763.

2009-2010 Orion 7.501 Next Generation hybrids : #3968, #3989, #4563. These are shockers, especially the 4500s. #3968 has it's rear destination sign removed, so it's done.

4563 is NOT SCRAP.. The bus you are referring to is 4538 from East New York and that is at the scrap yard.

4560 which was from Grand Avenue is scrapped and sitting at Eastchester.

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16 minutes ago, NYC2MTL said:

4563 is NOT SCRAP.. The bus you are referring to is 4538 from East New York and that is at the scrap yard.

4560 which was from Grand Avenue is scrapped and sitting at Eastchester.

Are the #4500's being axed early for Mileage reasons? It's weird how they are gunning for some of the last NGs delivered to be removed from service early. I know for a fact that when delivered, #4513-4570 was GA depot, while #4571-4599 were assigned to FB depot and those garages have some busy routes like B41/B41 LTD, B44/B44 LTD(at the time), B46/B46 LTD (again at the time) and the B49 at FB, and the B38 LTD, B47 and B62 for GA.

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1 minute ago, Chris.A said:

Are the #4500's being axed early for Mileage reasons? It's weird how they are gunning for some of the last NGs delivered to be removed from service early. I know for a fact that when delivered, #4513-4570 was GA depot, while #4571-4599 were assigned to FB depot and those garages have some busy routes like B41/B41 LTD, B44/B44 LTD(at the time), B46/B46 LTD (again at the time) and the B49 at FB, and the B38 LTD, B47 and B62 for GA.

good question.. As for East NY's they already axed: 3968, 4538, 4556 and more are expected to hit the ax early. Remember, these buses are 12 years old and that is usually when the MTA likes to retire buses. However, some of the best performing buses could be kept as much as 15 years old. You gotta also account for breakdowns if the batteries get messed up. That's a big expense to the TA.

Fresh Pond is due for at least 20 XD40's between this month and September. Expect those worse performing NG's to be scrapped and some good ones to be transferred over to depots that MAY have a need for NG's and to MTA bus.

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I was also looking at future MTA NYCTA bus orders and it seems that no new artics are on the horizon. #1200-1289 look beat and would probably need to be replaced by 2023 honestly.

9 minutes ago, NYC2MTL said:

good question.. As for East NY's they already axed: 3968, 4538, 4556 and more are expected to hit the ax early. Remember, these buses are 12 years old and that is usually when the MTA likes to retire buses. However, some of the best performing buses could be kept as much as 15 years old. You gotta also account for breakdowns if the batteries get messed up. That's a big expense to the TA.

Fresh Pond is due for at least 20 XD40's between this month and September. Expect those worse performing NG's to be scrapped and some good ones to be transferred over to depots that MAY have a need for NG's and to MTA bus.

If that's true, then it's possible that #3800-3959 (other then the dozen or so units already there) may not go to MTA bus and instead newer units like the 4400s and 4600s, or just random ones. Next will be also interesting to see how the MTA handles the retirement of the New Flyer C40LF CNGs, as those had interested me for a while now. Given that NICE is currently retiring the slightly older 2009 1700s as well, I can imagine that the C40LFs can't be too far behind.

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4 minutes ago, Chris.A said:

I was also looking at future MTA NYCTA bus orders and it seems that no new artics are on the horizon. #1200-1289 look beat and would probably need to be replaced by 2023 honestly.

As of right now, no artic orders being commenced. I'm not going to hold you but I feel that #1200-1289 could hold up at least up to 15 years old. An example I can use is CTA in Chicago. If I'm not mistaken their last nova artic order lasted about 14 to 15 years before replacement. If the MTA keeps good maintenance on these buses they can last.  Personally, I would like to see some of those 1200's in the Brooklyn Division especially at East New York for the B15 and at Flatbush for the B41/B46 local lines

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2 minutes ago, NYC2MTL said:

As of right now, no artic orders being commenced. I'm not going to hold you but I feel that #1200-1289 could hold up at least up to 15 years old. An example I can use is CTA in Chicago. If I'm not mistaken their last nova artic order lasted about 14 to 15 years before replacement. If the MTA keeps good maintenance on these buses they can last.  Personally, I would like to see some of those 1200's in the Brooklyn Division especially at East New York for the B15 and at Flatbush for the B41/B46 local lines

CTA only have the LFS's, no LFSAs.

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