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1 hour ago, NYC2MTL said:

1560. at Secaucus. 
Up to 1586 is currently built right now and in Plattsburgh awaiting delivery via the Thruway to Secaucus. 

So I assume that they skipped the #1400s?

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5 hours ago, Chris.A said:

So I assume that they skipped the #1400s?

1400’s for MTA bus and supposed to be for Eastchester, LGA, SC, BP and Far Rockaway batches.  Those buses are in Plattsburgh or Montreal right now last checked (don’t quote me).  Eastchester only has 1382-1384 and all are in service at this time.  Notice why right now College point has up to 1327 right now in NYC. Remember, we have a long delivery schedule until the end of the year with most of these orders. 

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On 4/6/2021 at 8:32 AM, Chris.A said:

I heard that supposedly, the 2011-2012 X3-45s (#2400-2489) are going to MTA bus company. Is that still part of the plan?

Not sure, have yet to see pics of #3955 myself. I do know that CNG #1703 is retired from Mitchell Field depot and is completely stripped of parts. NICE even removed most of the window panels!

Did #3955 went to the body work shop for repairs and did MTA have spare after parts for Orion VII NG HEV from New Flyer Industries yet

 

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On 4/7/2021 at 4:45 PM, Orion6025 said:

My understanding was that the option order is for fleet expansion to take over the sim23 and 24 instead of bus replacement/displacement, unless that changed.

That's what I thought the option was. Take over of 23/24 from Academy Bus. Meanwhile it looks like academy changed out the buses on that route. Used to be The 2002-2004 MCI D4500s but lately have been seeing the Van Hool fleet numbers in 6400s. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 10:25 PM, JAX Transit 2000 said:

Did #3955 went to the body work shop for repairs and did MTA have spare after parts for Orion VII NG HEV from New Flyer Industries yet

 

That unit is supposedly at Eastchester. 

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9 hours ago, Chris.A said:

2016 Nova LFS #8459 out of Jamaica depot might be retired after the tow truck it was hoisted on caught fire in New Jersey.

UPDATE:  The bus suffered no damage. Bus is currently at the vendor getting work done. No retirement for said bus.  The tow truck did suffered damage. Front portion of tow truck is done. Picture is somewhere on Facebook.  
(According to NYCTF sources).  

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52 minutes ago, NYC2MTL said:

UPDATE:  The bus suffered no damage. Bus is currently at the vendor getting work done. No retirement for said bus.  The tow truck did suffered damage. Front portion of tow truck is done. Picture is somewhere on Facebook.  
(According to NYCTF sources).  

Wasnt it in New Jersey that happened? 

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NEW UPDATE:  As per NYCTF sources that it appears that Meredith and now Yukon will be splitting the 50 bus order. Numbers unknown at this time. But the following move has been made. 
1557, 1558, 1560 are now at Yukon Ave. 
Expect 1559, 1561 and 1563 to make the same move shortly. Also Yukon has acquired 2504-2506.  Those 2002 MCI’s are heading to the scrap yard. 
 

As a reminder Secaucus has up to 1590 last reported depending on where 

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5 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

NEW UPDATE:  As per NYCTF sources that it appears that Meredith and now Yukon will be splitting the 50 bus order. Numbers unknown at this time. But the following move has been made. 
1557, 1558, 1560 are now at Yukon Ave. 
Expect 1559, 1561 and 1563 to make the same move shortly. Also Yukon has acquired 2504-2506.  Those 2002 MCI’s are heading to the scrap yard. 
 

As a reminder Secaucus has up to 1590 last reported depending on where 

😥😥

saw the 2002s still running earlier this week. Was really hoping nobody at the MTA would realize the 7 units there. As old as they are, they look better on the outside than some of the 5-7 year old Prevosts

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22 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

NEW UPDATE:  As per NYCTF sources that it appears that Meredith and now Yukon will be splitting the 50 bus order. Numbers unknown at this time. But the following move has been made. 
1557, 1558, 1560 are now at Yukon Ave. 
Expect 1559, 1561 and 1563 to make the same move shortly. Also Yukon has acquired 2504-2506.  Those 2002 MCI’s are heading to the scrap yard. 
 

As a reminder Secaucus has up to 1590 last reported depending on where 

Please disregard the previous update......  There's some conflicting information with regards to this. After an message was sent to me last night I can report the following: As of now there is no split on this order between Meredith and Yukon. The forementioned buses are going out for training. The 3 buses: 1557, 1558, 1560 will make trips to Yukon Avenue, Castelton and Charleston for the next 2 weeks as they will be the training buses for the possible option order between Yukon, Castelton or Charleston.  My apologies for any mis-information that I received.  As with everything with the MTA all of this is subject to change without notice.  However, as of right now these buses are out for training and Meredith maintains it's 50 bus order.

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9 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

Please disregard the previous update......  There's some conflicting information with regards to this. After an message was sent to me last night I can report the following: As of now there is no split on this order between Meredith and Yukon. The forementioned buses are going out for training. The 3 buses: 1557, 1558, 1560 will make trips to Yukon Avenue, Castelton and Charleston for the next 2 weeks as they will be the training buses for the possible option order between Yukon, Castelton or Charleston.  My apologies for any mis-information that I received.  As with everything with the MTA all of this is subject to change without notice.  However, as of right now these buses are out for training and Meredith maintains it's 50 bus order.

Ok, cause I was going to ask what would be the point of sending buses to a depot to train with if said depot is not even getting these buses, but that clears things up.

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https://www.newsday.com/long-island/transportation/electric-powered-trains-lirr-1.50217680

 

51126376130_8e2fb3c4b8_c.jpgLIRR Diesel Regions Map by Metropolitan Transportation Authority of the State of New York, on Flickr

 

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LIRR paying $860G for feasibility study on battery-operated commuter trains

By Alfonso A. Castillo

Updated April 19, 2021 6:00 AM

Long Island Rail Road officials are taking the first steps toward possibly introducing the first battery-operated commuter trains in North America — a move they said could revolutionize how rail service is provided on tracks that are not electrified.

The LIRR has entered into an agreement with train manufacturer Alstom to conduct a feasibility study on operating "battery-electric multiple units," or BEMUs, throughout its system — potentially replacing, in some areas, the reliability challenged, inconvenient and environmentally unfriendly diesel trains it has operated for decades. Diesel-territory commuters, accustomed to having to transfer trains to complete their trips, could, more frequently, get one-seat rides to Manhattan and back.

Such a move also would negate the need to further electrify the railroad's tracks, the LIRR said.

"This changes the dynamics for how we look at our capital program needs in the future," LIRR president Phillip Eng said in an exclusive interview with Newsday. "This is an opportunity to really look at a technology that could address this in a manner that is achievable, fundable, and the cleanest form of service that we can think of."

The railroad’s vision is for its electric trains to run on third-rail power, where available, then seamlessly switch to battery power where it’s not. Charging stations located at the end of branches would re-energize train batteries between runs. The lithium ion batteries used by Alstom take about 10 minutes to charge.

The study will cost $850,000 and will be funded out of the LIRR’s operating budget, Eng said. The study will include simulations of battery-powered train trips and is expected to last until the end of this year.

If determined to be feasible, the next step would be for the LIRR to equip a pair of M7 electric cars, which make up the majority of the railroad’s fleet, with a battery and test it on a non-electrified branch. LIRR officials expect they would use the Oyster Bay line, which would have to be fitted with a battery charging station at its terminal.

If that pilot project is successful, the railroad would then look to retrofit enough electric trains to serve portions of its diesel territory, which includes stations east of Huntington to Port Jefferson, east of East Williston to Oyster Bay, east of Babylon to Montauk, and east of Ronkonkoma to Greenport. LIRR officials have not determined the cost of such a wide-scale conversion but said it likely would be funded in future capital programs. Future fleets would be designed with batteries built in.

It likely would cost less and come together more quickly, they said, than the alternative long sought by commuters living in diesel territory: electrification of tracks. Although the LIRR is studying electrifying the Port Jefferson Branch, officials said it likely wouldn’t happen in the next 20 years, and could cost $3.6 billion.

Battery-powered trains already exist in other parts of the world, including Alstom's "Talent 3" train, introduced in Germany in 2018. But bringing the technology to the LIRR — the busiest commuter railroad in North America — comes with unique challenges, experts said.

"Battery technology has been tested and proven and is in service, but on a much smaller scale, in terms of the size of the vehicle. So the Long Island Rail Road is really going into unchartered waters here," said William Vantuono, editor-in-chief of Railway Age magazine, who noted that some light rail systems and street cars in the United States already use battery power. "If this works, it could work very well. But they have to proceed very carefully."

Eng acknowledged that sufficiently charging a battery in order to move a packed train for several miles — without having to stop a train to recharge — is a challenge. Patrick Jacob, director of business development and sales for Alstom, said his company already has built battery-powered trains that can travel up to 60 miles on a single charge. But he acknowledged that, unlike those trains, which were built to run on batteries, the LIRR’s trains would be retrofitted with the technology.

"If I was a betting man, I would like to think this would work," Jacob said. "But we don’t know what we don’t know."

Other questions to be addressed in the study, Eng said, include: Where would the batteries be placed — under a car or on the roof? Would some seats have to be removed to make space for the batteries? How would the batteries affect acceleration? How would they perform in extreme temperatures?

LIRR Commuter Council Chairman Gerard Bringmann said that even if they were only used on a limited basis, battery-powered trains could bring huge benefits to riders, including by freeing up diesel trains and coach cars to be used on other lines. For years, the railroad has struggled with having enough diesel coaches to meet demand for summer service to the Hamptons, even borrowing some from a Maryland commuter railroad.

"This would give the railroad a hell of a lot more flexibility," said Bringmann, who commutes on the Port Jefferson Branch. "Honestly, I really don’t see a downside to it."

 

 

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