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On 1/12/2021 at 9:34 PM, Orion6025 said:

If my memory serves right, they never wanted frameless windows on their buses and the reason they got those was because that was what the Next Gens came with. If someone more knowledgeable on this can either correct me or add info please speak up

I think many of the earliest GMC RTS 04's had frameless windows too. So did the Grumman 870's.

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The scene on Monday, with Andy Byford.           IMG_6234 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_6243 by GojiMet86, on Flickr IMG_6266 by Goj

Here's a photo of it:  

MTA 7485 in Winnipeg

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26 minutes ago, Chris.A said:

That bus might be scrapped. Damage looks heavy in the front.

The pivoting joint was split in the middle of the bus. I just saw a wider angle of the bus side which shows the opening of the pivoting joint. It could be that the rear end of 1020 can be saved something like what the MTA did with 5656 and 5658. I think it is repairable but its going to take a lot of money just to fix one bus. Maybe they'd order a replacement instead

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10 minutes ago, DCTransitFilms said:

The pivoting joint was split in the middle of the bus. I just saw a wider angle of the bus side which shows the opening of the pivoting joint. It could be that the rear end of 1020 can be saved something like what the MTA did with 5656 and 5658. I think it is repairable but its going to take a lot of money just to fix one bus. Maybe they'd order a replacement instead

I don't think they will do that either. It would appear that the MTA is no longer in the CNG business. Any future CNG buses in NYC will probably most likely come from NICE bus. However, I agree, they could save the rear section in case another XN60 gets into a wreck or fire, or even use parts of it to repair the XN40 that burned down out of JG depot last summer (#808).

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1 minute ago, Chris.A said:

I don't think they will do that either. It would appear that the MTA is no longer in the CNG business. Any future CNG buses in NYC will probably most likely come from NICE bus. However, I agree, they could save the rear section in case another XN60 gets into a wreck or fire, or even use parts of it to repair the XN40 that burned down out of JG depot last summer (#808).

yeah they can save the rear section in case another XN60 gets totaled but we'll have to see

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5 hours ago, Chris.A said:

That bus might be scrapped. Damage looks heavy in the front.

And these parts cost plenty money for the front half of the unit to get replaced according to Inside Edition news and the rear half of the unit is still in good condition. 

According to Inside Edition, eight passengers were among those injured, along with the driver. They were taken to hospitals with minor injuries, according to police and MTA spokesperson Tim Minton. The driver, who assisted the evacuation of passengers, sustained the most serious injury on his jaw but he's in stable condition. 

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Photo credit goes to (Marc A. Hermann / MTA New York City Transit). Used with Permission. 

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I'm more interested in the 'how' and 'why' of this accident than the bus itself.   Initial comments from the investigators indicate that the bus was traveling between 17 and 26 MPH based on GPS - not sure how accurate that is, though (GPS unit accuracy can vary greatly from bus to bus).  I suspect we'll see the camera footage in the media before too long.  It doesn't look good for the operator (supposedly he was on the last run of his shift, plus he reportedly refused a post-accident drug and alcohol test) but it's best to avoid a rush to judgment and make sure that other causes are ruled out. 

The vehicle itself can be replaced - given the stresses caused by having the front section hanging at an almost 90 degree angle downward while still connected to the rear half, I would be surprised if either section is salvageable.  Artics aren't designed to bend that far that way!

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On 1/16/2021 at 7:52 AM, RailBus63 said:

I'm more interested in the 'how' and 'why' of this accident than the bus itself.  

The initial report I read is that the driver was speeding around a turn and lost control. In that regard, luckily, there wasn't a building on that corner.

EDIT: Now the operator has spoken out. Saying he made that turn hundreds of times before and the bus accelerated on its own. The MTA already stated the bus had no mechanical issues. NYC alone has thousands of New Flyer buses and I'm not aware of any reported instances of spontaneous acceleration with any New Flyer. Basically, it sucks to be this operator.

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The R211A set is scheduled to arrive in April, numbered 4060-4064. The base order for the R211A is 440 cars (so they will probably be numbered 4060-4499).

The R211T gangway pilot is projected to arrive in April 2022.

The R211S Staten Island pilot is projected to arrive in August 2022, with 75 production cars starting delivery in October 2023.

 

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A bunch of Novas and Prevosts were recently registered. Appears we will have more 2020 model LFS HEV than expected

Novas:

4RKYL82LXL9777634

4RKYL82L1L9777635

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4RKYL82L1M9777782

4RKYL82L3M9777783

4RKYL82L5M9777784

4RKYL82L7M9777785

4RKYL82L9M9777786

4RKYL82L0M9777787

4RKYL82L2M9777788

4RKYL82L4M9777789

4RKYL82L0M9777790

4RKYL82L2M9777791

4RKYL82L4M9777792

4RKYL82L6M9777793

4RKYL82L8M9777794

4RKYL82LXM9777795

4RKYL82L1M9777796

4RKYL82L3M9777797

4RKYL82L5M9777798

4RKYL82L7M9777799

4RKYL82LXM9777800

4RKYL82L1M9777801

Prevosts:

4RKJ33492M9737751

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4RKJ33498M9737768

4RKJ3349XM9737769

4RKJ33496M9737770

4RKJ33498M9737771

This is on top of:

4RKYL82L4L9777581 0022/9620

4RKYL82L5L9777668 UNKNOWN LFS HEV

4RKJ33496L9737721 0023/1300 (1st)

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On 1/18/2021 at 11:53 PM, Orion6025 said:

A bunch of Novas and Prevosts were recently registered. Appears we will have more 2020 model LFS HEV than expected

Novas:

4RKYL82LXL9777634

4RKYL82L1L9777635

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4RKYL82L1M9777782

4RKYL82L3M9777783

4RKYL82L5M9777784

4RKYL82L7M9777785

4RKYL82L9M9777786

4RKYL82L0M9777787

4RKYL82L2M9777788

4RKYL82L4M9777789

4RKYL82L0M9777790

4RKYL82L2M9777791

4RKYL82L4M9777792

4RKYL82L6M9777793

4RKYL82L8M9777794

4RKYL82LXM9777795

4RKYL82L1M9777796

4RKYL82L3M9777797

4RKYL82L5M9777798

4RKYL82L7M9777799

4RKYL82LXM9777800

4RKYL82L1M9777801

Prevosts:

4RKJ33492M9737751

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4RKJ33498M9737768

4RKJ3349XM9737769

4RKJ33496M9737770

4RKJ33498M9737771

This is on top of:

4RKYL82L4L9777581 0022/9620

4RKYL82L5L9777668 UNKNOWN LFS HEV

4RKJ33496L9737721 0023/1300 (1st)

4RKYL82L5L9777668 Is 9622 I think! 9622 is at Kingsbridge (as far as I can tell)

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snow loans SO FAR Jan 30 730PM in case anyone may find this useful for the coming storm

Mike Quill

2011 orions: 7003,07,20,26,28,40,42,45,53-54,57,60,63,66,68,70-72,77,80,84-85

2015/16 lfs: 8117,44,56,61,69,73,76,78-79, 8203,17,30,35,39,51-52, 8318

2018/19 lfs: 8699, 8702,07

Gun hill

2011 lfs: 8043,45-47,51,55-56,61,63,83-85,87-88

2015/16 lfs: 8091, 8100-01,03,06, 8402,07,09-14,17-19,22,30,32,34-35,42,44,46,48-49,51,53,62,64,66,69

West farms:

2011 lfs: 8001,07,10,13,16-17,20,22,24,27-29,31,33,73-74,76,79,81

Notes:

1. I'm not perfect, I may have missed a bus or two.

2. They obviously have not finished shuffling buses around as there are numerous garages that are conspicuously absent right now. I'll publish another more updated list tomorrow night.

3. There are certain depots that I do not check/buses that i may have missed simply because the snow loan is not significant (ex. if any Orion 7 NG loaning goes on within Brooklyn, I am not wasting my time keeping track of those since what difference does it make if ENY sends one Orion next gen to join the 65 other NGs already at FB...). Rule of thumb is that if the move is not obvious or if it doesn't change anything really, then I won't be listing them beyond leaving a general note.
4. Presently, 8417 is doing the 7 train shuttle, ,but it should be going to GH..

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as of 5p today
 
BAISLEY PARK (10):
2006 Orions (4):
3561,3587,3592,3597
 
2007 Orions (6):
3607,3611,3615,3627-3628,3635,
 
GUN HILL (45):
 
2011 LFS (12):
8043,8046-8047,8051,8055-8056,8061,8063,8083-8085,8088
 
2015/2016 LFS (33):
8091,8094,8096,8100-8101,8103,8106,8402,8407,8409-8414,8418-8419,8422,8430,8432
8434-8435,8442,8444,8446,8448-8449,8451,8453,8462,8464,8466,8469
 
KINGSBRIDGE (16):
 
2009 Orions (13):
4052,4062,4129,4131,4222,4224,4392-4393,4395,4461,4464-4466
 
2010 Orions (3):
4661,4695,4700
 
MIKE QUILL (63)
 
2011 Orions (23):
7003,7007,7020,7026,7028,7040,7042,7045,7053-7054,7057,7060,7063,7066,7068,7070-7072,7077,7080,7084-7085,7087
 
2015/2016 LFS (37):
8116-8117,8144,8156,8161,8169,8173,8176,8178-8179,8185-8187,8192,8195,8201,8203,8217
8230,8235,8239,8251-8252,8263,8266,8270,8280,8290-8291,8293-8294,8296-8298,8304,8315
8318
 
2018/2019 LFS (3):
8699,8702,8707
 
TUSKEGEE AIRMEN (74):
 
2006 Orions (5):
6695,6713-6714,6718,6722
 
2008 Orions (9):
3845,3848,3851,3855,3862,3866,3949-3950,3956
 
2009 Orions (58):
3977,3984,3986,3988-3990,3994-3995,3997,4001,4004,4013,4044,4047-4048,4051,4063,
4067-4069,4071,4074,4090 4100-4102,4104,4173,4267,4272,4277,4345,4350,4356,4359,4360
4396-4399,4404,4407,4409,4426,4431,4434-4435,4441,4445-4446,4516-4518,4525,4527,4529
4532,4577-4578
 
2010 Orions (2):
4693-4694
 
WEST FARMS (24):
 
2011 LFS (24):
8001,8003,8005,8007,8010,8013,8016-8017,8020,8022,8024-8025,8027-8029,8031,8033,8036
8073-8074,8076-8077,8079-8081
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1 hour ago, Orion6025 said:
as of 5p today
 
BAISLEY PARK (10):
2006 Orions (4):
3561,3587,3592,3597
 
2007 Orions (6):
3607,3611,3615,3627-3628,3635,
 
GUN HILL (45):
 
2011 LFS (12):
8043,8046-8047,8051,8055-8056,8061,8063,8083-8085,8088
 
2015/2016 LFS (33):
8091,8094,8096,8100-8101,8103,8106,8402,8407,8409-8414,8418-8419,8422,8430,8432
8434-8435,8442,8444,8446,8448-8449,8451,8453,8462,8464,8466,8469
 
KINGSBRIDGE (16):
 
2009 Orions (13):
4052,4062,4129,4131,4222,4224,4392-4393,4395,4461,4464-4466
 
2010 Orions (3):
4661,4695,4700
 
MIKE QUILL (63)
 
2011 Orions (23):
7003,7007,7020,7026,7028,7040,7042,7045,7053-7054,7057,7060,7063,7066,7068,7070-7072,7077,7080,7084-7085,7087
 
2015/2016 LFS (37):
8116-8117,8144,8156,8161,8169,8173,8176,8178-8179,8185-8187,8192,8195,8201,8203,8217
8230,8235,8239,8251-8252,8263,8266,8270,8280,8290-8291,8293-8294,8296-8298,8304,8315
8318
 
2018/2019 LFS (3):
8699,8702,8707
 
TUSKEGEE AIRMEN (74):
 
2006 Orions (5):
6695,6713-6714,6718,6722
 
2008 Orions (9):
3845,3848,3851,3855,3862,3866,3949-3950,3956
 
2009 Orions (58):
3977,3984,3986,3988-3990,3994-3995,3997,4001,4004,4013,4044,4047-4048,4051,4063,
4067-4069,4071,4074,4090 4100-4102,4104,4173,4267,4272,4277,4345,4350,4356,4359,4360
4396-4399,4404,4407,4409,4426,4431,4434-4435,4441,4445-4446,4516-4518,4525,4527,4529
4532,4577-4578
 
2010 Orions (2):
4693-4694
 
WEST FARMS (24):
 
2011 LFS (24):
8001,8003,8005,8007,8010,8013,8016-8017,8020,8022,8024-8025,8027-8029,8031,8033,8036
8073-8074,8076-8077,8079-8081

Just got word that NG hybrid #4560 is now oos due to a wreck on the B60 line. Bus will be out for a while.

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3 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Just got word that NG hybrid #4560 is now oos due to a wreck on the B60 line. Bus will be out for a while.

BUS WAS INVOLVED IN A MAJOR ACCIDENT EARLY THIS MORNING AT 4AM ON ROCKAWAY AVE AND LINDEN BLVD. VEHICLE RAN RED LIGHT AND SMACKED RIGHT INTO THE BUS CAUSING MAJOR FRONT END DAMAGE ON 4560. YES, BUS IS OOS FOR A WHILE. REPAIRABLE AND WILL NOT BE HEADING TO THE SCRAP YARD.

https://abc7ny.com/mta-bus-crash-car-passengers-injured-brownsville/10180976/

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3 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

BUS WAS INVOLVED IN A MAJOR ACCIDENT EARLY THIS MORNING AT 4AM ON ROCKAWAY AVE AND LINDEN BLVD. VEHICLE RAN RED LIGHT AND SMACKED RIGHT INTO THE BUS CAUSING MAJOR FRONT END DAMAGE ON 4560. YES, BUS IS OOS FOR A WHILE. REPAIRABLE AND WILL NOT BE HEADING TO THE SCRAP YARD.

https://abc7ny.com/mta-bus-crash-car-passengers-injured-brownsville/10180976/

Just glad its not another #1804 situation (#1804 was a 2011 Orion VII NG CNG from the former MTA Long Island bus division (now NICE bus) that was scrapped due to a severe wreck involving a van that had similarly ran a red light and T-boned the NG, both vehicles ended up crashing into a McDonald's. Terrible wreck back in Summer 2011).

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