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On 11/3/2020 at 4:52 PM, Jova42R said:

Just got word that 9510 is at ENY, so they may have a few weeks left! I’m REALLY happy I caught 6498 before it retired! 

I wonder when 0022 will become 9620 and enter revenue service! Supposedly 9621 is at Secaucus, but idk. I might go out there and see sometime soon. For all we know, it may still be in Canada.

#9560 to ENY.

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Down to 6532, 6545, 6548, 6600 now though 6545 and 6548 appear to be done with service despite being rostered. 6557 was the last at Fresh Pond. This essentially confirms that 6532 will be the last active 2004 Orion VII HEV, while 6600 will be the last active 2005 Orion VII HEV. Both are still assigned to JFK Depot, though they are currently operating out of the Far Rockaway satellite right now (Both buses have the Q21 today). It remains to be seen which of the two will be the last standing, or if they will retire together.

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On 11/7/2020 at 2:57 PM, Orion6025 said:

Down to 6532, 6545, 6548, 6600 now though 6545 and 6548 appear to be done with service despite being rostered. 6557 was the last at Fresh Pond. This essentially confirms that 6532 will be the last active 2004 Orion VII HEV, while 6600 will be the last active 2005 Orion VII HEV. Both are still assigned to JFK Depot, though they are currently operating out of the Far Rockaway satellite right now (Both buses have the Q21 today). It remains to be seen which of the two will be the last standing, or if they will retire together.

2 left: 6548 and 6600

 

Also, 0022 broke down...

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On 11/13/2020 at 11:11 PM, Orion6025 said:

6532 as well

On the topic of replacement:

9510 at ENY

9560 at NES

0022 is OOS (electrical failure)

 

also, 0023 has been moved to CP!

On 11/6/2020 at 3:24 PM, Chris.A said:

#9560 to ENY.

Nope thats still at NES.

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22 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

1. https://www.instagram.com/p/CHWl1XbAjZ9

2. Budget cuts have been proposed, I think if they go through implementation will be 5/2021

That stupid idiot!! That NG (#4048) better not have been damaged! In other news, in light of the budget cuts, there was talk about reducing the subway fleet by 35%. Does anyone know what could possibly get prematurely retired as a result? If the IRT sees major cuts, could the R62s and R62As get scrapped early? As for buses, I can see ALL remaining Orion VII OG hybrids (mostly the MTA bus ones as the NYCTA units are getting replacements) be retired prematurely with little to no replacements along with Most of the MCI D4500CL fleet (although they do have that pending Prevost order of 300+ buses). Some NGs may go too (mostly the #3800-3959 batch, but if the cuts are really severe, than I can see #3960-4278 also going bye bye). I know that the 2008-2009 Orion VII NG CNGs at NICE bus ( #1700-1799) are going to be retired starting next year into 2022/23, so I guess this will mark the beginning of the end for alot of the areas NG fleets as well (SCT is also due for major cuts next year as well, so many of their 2010 Orion VII NG clean diesel buses may also be put on the chopping block(some have already retired)).

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I put up some miscellaneous updates to garage assignments, delivery dates, etc to the main wiki table (on order section and the 1300-1629,9620-9784,9510-9619 rows) last night. I’m not retyping everything for a second time here but notable notes include prevost delivery starting jan 2021, nova hybrids in feb 2021, new flyer hybrids in mar/apr 2021, and nova diesels in late 2021/early 2022. In the short term, the following bus series will be retired

NYCTA 2006/7 Orions

Bus co, NYCTA 2001/2002 MCI

bus co 2005/2006 mci ( majority), seems theyve decided to delay 2007 mci retirement? I’m hearing different things about what the NYCTA Prevosts will be replacing now

 updated garage assignments will be listed later this week

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On 12/7/2020 at 5:16 PM, Orion6025 said:

I put up some miscellaneous updates to garage assignments, delivery dates, etc to the main wiki table (on order section and the 1300-1629,9620-9784,9510-9619 rows) last night. I’m not retyping everything for a second time here but notable notes include prevost delivery starting jan 2021, nova hybrids in feb 2021, new flyer hybrids in mar/apr 2021, and nova diesels in late 2021/early 2022. In the short term, the following bus series will be retired

NYCTA 2006/7 Orions

Bus co, NYCTA 2001/2002 MCI

bus co 2005/2006 mci ( majority), seems theyve decided to delay 2007 mci retirement? I’m hearing different things about what the NYCTA Prevosts will be replacing now

 updated garage assignments will be listed later this week

The MTA better hold off on those new diesel bus orders. They don't know how much they have to cut soon...

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On 12/7/2020 at 5:16 PM, Orion6025 said:

I put up some miscellaneous updates to garage assignments, delivery dates, etc to the main wiki table (on order section and the 1300-1629,9620-9784,9510-9619 rows) last night. I’m not retyping everything for a second time here but notable notes include prevost delivery starting jan 2021, nova hybrids in feb 2021, new flyer hybrids in mar/apr 2021, and nova diesels in late 2021/early 2022. In the short term, the following bus series will be retired

NYCTA 2006/7 Orions

Bus co, NYCTA 2001/2002 MCI

bus co 2005/2006 mci ( majority), seems theyve decided to delay 2007 mci retirement? I’m hearing different things about what the NYCTA Prevosts will be replacing now

 updated garage assignments will be listed later this week

Just an update, Most of NYCTA's 2007 Orion VII OG hybrids (in Brooklyn) have been retired. All units that were at East NY depot have been sent to Eastchester with #6791 having been towed there earlier in the week and the last to go. Fresh Ponds still have a couple units in storage however.

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On 12/30/2020 at 3:22 PM, Orion6025 said:

1300 (2nd), 1301-4 assigned to CP this morning, all 2021 models. 23 (2020 model) is being rejected it seems, it ran the qm32 this morning and remains assigned to CP for now.

I heard delivery order is CP then EC right now.

yep, 1300-1305 are at CP according to a source. I'm unsure of the fate of 0023. Also, Manhattan's OG's seem to be used less, especially on weekends. So sad that retirement is near.

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On 1/2/2021 at 5:18 PM, Jova42R said:

yep, 1300-1305 are at CP according to a source. I'm unsure of the fate of 0023. Also, Manhattan's OG's seem to be used less, especially on weekends. So sad that retirement is near.

23 presumably will be returned just like 8090 was.

I wonder when they'll register 1301 and 5 to CP, it's taken them a while just to get to CP after all that time in Secaucus..

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On 12/25/2020 at 9:26 AM, Chris.A said:

Just an update, Most of NYCTA's 2007 Orion VII OG hybrids (in Brooklyn) have been retired. All units that were at East NY depot have been sent to Eastchester with #6791 having been towed there earlier in the week and the last to go. Fresh Ponds still have a couple units in storage however.

Apparently, according to some rosters- Fresh Pond has anywhere from 2 to 6 buses stored at the depot.

According to NYCTF: 6326, 5534 will be museum buses.

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23 is at Far Rock now.

7 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

Fresh Pond has anywhere from 2 to 6 buses stored at the depot.

Well as of now, only 6824 is registered to FP. The rest were removed from service, many on the 31st. They knocked out 6834 this morning IIRC

7 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

According to NYCTF: 6326, 5534 will be museum buses.

As far as I know those are still pending according to the person who I trust for this sort of info. Unless someone reputable from there specifically said they're no longer pending...

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6 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

23 is at Far Rock now.

Well as of now, only 6824 is registered to FP. The rest were removed from service, many on the 31st. They knocked out 6834 this morning IIRC

As far as I know those are still pending according to the person who I trust for this sort of info. Unless someone reputable from there specifically said they're no longer pending...

That's a copy. You have a better ear to the street on this better than me.

Looks like Fresh Pond will get more buses from either EN or FB to replace the remainder of the OG-Gen2's. Good update on 6824.

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20 hours ago, NYC2MTL said:

Apparently, according to some rosters- Fresh Pond has anywhere from 2 to 6 buses stored at the depot.

According to NYCTF: 6326, 5534 will be museum buses.

Those two buses have been on museum status for almost 2 years now. As for the Brooklyn division, they are expected to get more new XDE40 hybrids and eventually LFS hybrids AND LFS clean diesels. I do wonder if the MTA is officially done with CNG buses?

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On 1/4/2021 at 6:16 PM, Orion6025 said:

23 is at Far Rock now.

Well as of now, only 6824 is registered to FP. The rest were removed from service, many on the 31st. They knocked out 6834 this morning IIRC

As far as I know those are still pending according to the person who I trust for this sort of info. Unless someone reputable from there specifically said they're no longer pending...

Are there any 2004 Orion VII hybrids left on property to be preserved as a museum bus?

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On 1/5/2021 at 8:07 AM, Chris.A said:

Those two buses have been on museum status for almost 2 years now. As for the Brooklyn division, they are expected to get more new XDE40 hybrids and eventually LFS hybrids AND LFS clean diesels. I do wonder if the MTA is officially done with CNG buses?

XDE40's & LFS Clean Diesels: Yes for Brooklyn Division..

LFS Hybrids are going to Manhattan and Bronx... (Most)

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18 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Are there any 2004 Orion VII hybrids left on property to be preserved as a museum bus?

I don't believe so, some 2004s from the 6365-6489 order were held onto as driver trainers at Zerega, but i have heard nothing about the museum picking up a bus

On 1/5/2021 at 8:07 AM, Chris.A said:

I do wonder if the MTA is officially done with CNG buses?

i would guess probably? It helps that the MTA no longer has any CNG buses up for immediate replacement. What it boils down to is how soon the MTA wants to retire the C40LF and when they want to/are able to buy ZEBs in significant quantities. Of course there are the other outlying cases like expanding articulated bus fleets at CNG-capable depots ,but that conversation has been quiet as of late.

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4 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

I don't believe so, some 2004s from the 6365-6489 order were held onto as driver trainers at Zerega, but i have heard nothing about the museum picking up a bus

i would guess probably? It helps that the MTA no longer has any CNG buses up for immediate replacement. What it boils down to is how soon the MTA wants to retire the C40LF and when they want to/are able to buy ZEBs in significant quantities. Of course there are the other outlying cases like expanding articulated bus fleets at CNG-capable depots ,but that conversation has been quiet as of late.

There was talk of College Point depot possibly getting new CNG artics a few years ago, but I have heard nothing else of that after 2016 or so.

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On 1/7/2021 at 10:21 PM, Orion6025 said:

I don't believe so, some 2004s from the 6365-6489 order were held onto as driver trainers at Zerega, but i have heard nothing about the museum picking up a bus

i would guess probably? It helps that the MTA no longer has any CNG buses up for immediate replacement. What it boils down to is how soon the MTA wants to retire the C40LF and when they want to/are able to buy ZEBs in significant quantities. Of course there are the other outlying cases like expanding articulated bus fleets at CNG-capable depots ,but that conversation has been quiet as of late.

It just dawned on me that the MTA has not purchased any flameless window buses since the Orion 7.501 Next Generation Hybrid/CNG orders. How come they don't do that anymore? I would think they would look good on the Xcelsiors (NICE bus reverted to frameless windows with their XN40s after their last couple of Orion VII CNG orders)?

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12 hours ago, Chris.A said:

It just dawned on me that the MTA has not purchased any flameless window buses since the Orion 7.501 Next Generation Hybrid/CNG orders. How come they don't do that anymore? I would think they would look good on the Xcelsiors (NICE bus reverted to frameless windows with their XN40s after their last couple of Orion VII CNG orders)?

If my memory serves right, they never wanted frameless windows on their buses and the reason they got those was because that was what the Next Gens came with. If someone more knowledgeable on this can either correct me or add info please speak up

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19 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

If my memory serves right, they never wanted frameless windows on their buses and the reason they got those was because that was what the Next Gens came with. If someone more knowledgeable on this can either correct me or add info please speak up

#1800-1839 were the only NGs without those windows.

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