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On 3/31/2020 at 9:40 AM, DCTransitFilms said:

Here is the full extent of the damage of 6346-6350 along with some damage on 6366-6370: https://mobile.twitter.com/TripleG_RTO/status/1244387678679904261

Quite possible 6346-6350 will be a write off (most likely 6346-6348). Rip the train operator who saved lives. 

Oh those are certainly scrapped for sure. Those units were built in the early 2000s (1999-2001 era). I don't see the MTA fixing 20 year old cars in that shape, especially due to the lack of manpower they are suffering from due to the ongoing global crisis. I hope that POS scumbag was already caught, cause that was basically terrorism. 

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The overnight closure is sadly necessary to address the issue of homeless people who have camped out on trains during this outbreak.  The MTA needs to restore a sense of order to the system and instill confidence in riders who will need to use it as normal operations begin to be restored in the near future,  as well as for the safety, health and well-being of employees who have had to deal with this issue in addition to the other hazards they are now facing.  The images of homeless encampments on trains became a national news story and no doubt would have depressed ridership even more had it not been addressed.  The city and state do need to seriously address the health and shelter issues which have driven those poor people into the subways as part of the overall drive to end the spread of the virus. 

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On 5/1/2020 at 7:21 AM, RailBus63 said:

The overnight closure is sadly necessary to address the issue of homeless people who have camped out on trains during this outbreak.  The MTA needs to restore a sense of order to the system and instill confidence in riders who will need to use it as normal operations begin to be restored in the near future,  as well as for the safety, health and well-being of employees who have had to deal with this issue in addition to the other hazards they are now facing.  The images of homeless encampments on trains became a national news story and no doubt would have depressed ridership even more had it not been addressed.  The city and state do need to seriously address the health and shelter issues which have driven those poor people into the subways as part of the overall drive to end the spread of the virus. 

MTA buses are all over the place now. Someone saw a 2012 MCI D4500CT (#2265) on the Q46 last night and a Prevost X3-45 on the S79 +SBS+. There are also reports of EPA10 Orion VII 3G diesels running in the Bronx. Next we'll see Orion VII NG CNGs from NICE bus running on Bronx and Brooklyn routes (lol foam)!

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On 5/10/2020 at 3:28 PM, Chris.A said:

MTA buses are all over the place now. Someone saw a 2012 MCI D4500CT (#2265) on the Q46 last night and a Prevost X3-45 on the S79 +SBS+. There are also reports of EPA10 Orion VII 3G diesels running in the Bronx. Next we'll see Orion VII NG CNGs from NICE bus running on Bronx and Brooklyn routes (lol foam)!

That isn't happening - NICE can't lend busses to the MTA.

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On 5/16/2020 at 6:23 PM, Jova42R said:

That isn't happening - NICE can't lend busses to the MTA.

It's a joke. And technically, if they really wanted to, NICE could sell those 2008-2011 (#1700-1839) Orion VII NG CNGs back to the MTA once there FTA 12 year service lives have been met in Nassau county since those Orions were brought with federal money. Whether or not the MTA would purchase them is another matter (though I could see them taking those back). Anyways, 2005 Orion VII OG hybrids #6515 and #6516 are now retired from Fresh Ponds depot. 

 

As a side note, does anyone know if the XE40s, Proterra BE40s, or XDE40s are in service anymore? I haven't heard anything more of those test buses...

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On 5/1/2020 at 7:21 AM, RailBus63 said:

The overnight closure is sadly necessary to address the issue of homeless people who have camped out on trains during this outbreak.  The MTA needs to restore a sense of order to the system and instill confidence in riders who will need to use it as normal operations begin to be restored in the near future,  as well as for the safety, health and well-being of employees who have had to deal with this issue in addition to the other hazards they are now facing.  The images of homeless encampments on trains became a national news story and no doubt would have depressed ridership even more had it not been addressed.  The city and state do need to seriously address the health and shelter issues which have driven those poor people into the subways as part of the overall drive to end the spread of the virus. 

Also, 2007 Orion VII OG hybrid #6822 from ENY depot was involved in a major crash on the B12 the other day. Several vehicles including a Dodge Charger were totaled and several people received non-life threaten injuries. The bus itself will be out for a while, but could get spare parts from a retired 2004 or 2005-2006 Orion VII OG.  

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2 hours ago, Chris.A said:

NICE could sell those 2008-2011 (#1700-1839) Orion VII NG CNGs back to the MTA once there FTA 12 year service

Lmao not gonna happen. I wouldn’t mind seeing it one bit though.

2 hours ago, Chris.A said:

XE40s

Yes, usually 0 to 2 at a time. And a few of the XE60s as well, though most of those are @ zerega and the jfk facility

2 hours ago, Chris.A said:

Proterra

Parked since late march/early April

2 hours ago, Chris.A said:

XDE40s

Still running. 9503 passed me completely empty on the b24 a couple days ago. Not strange to see the b24 carrying air, but definitely a little off seeing it *completely* empty

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198 of the 222 remaining R32s are retired. 24 still remain on the roster, but whether they return to service is in the air (pretty sure they're just saving some for a last run anyway).

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More problems for the MTA regarding Bombardier's R179.

A car actually detached from the rest of the train.

 

https://gothamist.com/news/two-train-cars-suddenly-separate-chambers-street-station-prompting-mta-recall-r179-trains


 

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Two A Train Cars Suddenly Separate At Chambers Street Station, Prompting MTA Recall Of R179 Trains
BY SOPHIA CHANG
JUNE 3, 2020 10:11 A.M. • 29 COMMENTS

The MTA has pulled all 318 R179 subway cars from its fleet after reports of two cars suddenly uncoupling at the Chambers Street A train station on Wednesday morning.

There were no injuries among the ten passengers on the train, the MTA’s interim President of NYC Transit Sarah Feinberg said in a statement Wednesday.

A northbound A train entering the station became separated between the sixth and seventh cars around 1 a.m.

“At this time, we believe this to be an isolated incident, however, I am launching a full investigation, and out of an abundance of caution, the entire R179 fleet is being pulled from service until further notice. We have redeployed additional spare cars and minimal impacts to service are anticipated,” Feinberg said in the statement.

The MTA has previously pulled 298 of their stock of the issue-plagued R179 cars made by Canada-based Bombardier as recently as six months ago. In December and January, two reports of subway doors coming loose from locking mechanisms and sliding open triggered the removal of the R179 cars from the system for inspection. They were returned at the end of January after examinations by a third-party firm, Bombardier and the MTA.

Last year, city Comptroller Scott Stringer released an audit of Bombardier, which supplies the city with most of its subway cars, and its $600 million contract that included the 298 trains then-under review. The comptroller’s audit found that “Bombardier consistently failed to produce acceptable work, meet project milestones and correct critical structural defects in a timely manner – resulting in a three-year delay” as well as failures of oversight by the MTA.

The new issue with the R179 cars, which serve the A, C, J and Z lines, also arises on the cusp of New York City’s anticipated Phase 1 of reopening on June 8th.

Subways will run on a more frequent schedule by Monday, when manufacturing, construction and some retail businesses are expected to reopen under the first phase of the state's plan. The subway system will continue to shut down between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m. to allow for a nightly cleaning of the trains.

“This marks the latest unacceptable issue with one of Bombardier’s R179 cars,” Feinberg said in her statement. “Customer and employee safety is New York City Transit’s North Star. We will not compromise one inch on safety. We will not return the fleet to service without certainty and validation that all cars are fit for passenger service – period.”

Bombardier told Gothamist/WNYC they’re investigating Wednesday’s incident.

 

 

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On 6/4/2020 at 6:58 PM, DCTransitFilms said:

Looks like mechanical failure or structural failure? 

I can't believe the R179s are failing this badly! Guess they are lemons. Let's just hope these could be fixed up once and for all, otherwise, I don't see these lasting past 15-20 years of service. As for buses, is there any updates on the new Prevost X3-45 order? Where's #1300, I know it was built months ago! What about the Nova bus LFS hybrid order ? The 45 all-electric bus order too?

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On 6/10/2020 at 7:15 AM, Chris.A said:

As for buses, is there any updates on the new Prevost X3-45 order?

An engineering bus visited the city recently. Nothing else has really happened

On 6/10/2020 at 7:15 AM, Chris.A said:

What about the Nova bus LFS hybrid order ?

Nothing new. We’re just playing the waiting game for the demos

On 6/5/2020 at 11:25 PM, Orion6025 said:

r32s will be back on the j on monday it looks like

I feel i should clarify/provide an update on this - They haven’t made into service yet because full pre-corona service levels in the eastern div haven’t resumed yet. But still R32s are actively being transferred to ENY. It’s a wait & see kind of situation now

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Some bus news -

  • 2020 Prevost 1300 has made it to an an acceptance facility finally after being delayed for a while due to corona. It's not on property yet, but unless something goes wrong, it should be at some depot in short order
  • MTA will be taking over the SIM23 and 24 from Academy in the coming years. The option order (1607-1629) has been exercised as a result
  • The Nova LFS HEV pilots aren't far behind
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20 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

Some bus news -

  • 2020 Prevost 1300 has made it to an an acceptance facility finally after being delayed for a while due to corona. It's not on property yet, but unless something goes wrong, it should be at some depot in short order
  • MTA will be taking over the SIM23 and 24 from Academy in the coming years. The option order (1607-1629) has been exercised as a result
  • The Nova LFS HEV pilots aren't far behind

Which depot will 1300 be at?

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5 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Which depot will 1300 be at?

Don't know yet. The first 257 are due to go to bus co so probably one of those depots over the transit ones

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MTA's created a new route called the B99 to run during the overnight hours due to the subway shutdown. It runs from Columbus Circle to Brooklyn College on Flatbush Ave and is largely aimed at 2 train crowds. Starts this sunday June 28. MTA hasn't published pretty schedules or notices for it yet so please bear with the not-so-pretty rideschedules and route description until the mta publishes sometihng

Schedule can be found here: https://rideschedules.com/mta-b99-bus-schedule-15150.html

Route description s/b (Rideschedules does have a "map", but it's just the stops, FWIW):

Leave 58th St/Bway stop, right onto Broadway

Left onto 57 street (Presumably) to 9th Avenue

Left onto 14th street

Right onto 7th ave

Left onto canal street

Cross Manhattan Bridge

Continue down Flatbush Ave Ext. and Flatbush Ave

Left onto Eastern Parkway @ Grand Army Plaza

Right onto nostrand ave

Terminate at SW corner of flatbush and nostrand (On nostrand)

Route description n/b

First stop NE corner of flatbush and nostrand (On flatbush)

Right onto nostrand

Right onto farragut road

Left onto New York Avenue

Left onto Eastern Parkway

Right onto Flatbush Ave @ G.A. Plaza

Cross Manh Bridge and continue on Canal Street

Right onto 6th ave

Left onto 14th street

Right onto 8th ave

Left onto 58th street, terminate

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9 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

MTA's created a new route called the B99 to run during the overnight hours due to the subway shutdown. It runs from Columbus Circle to Brooklyn College on Flatbush Ave and is largely aimed at 2 train crowds. Starts this sunday June 28. MTA hasn't published pretty schedules or notices for it yet so please bear with the not-so-pretty rideschedules and route description until the mta publishes sometihng

Schedule can be found here: https://rideschedules.com/mta-b99-bus-schedule-15150.html

Route description s/b (Rideschedules does have a "map", but it's just the stops, FWIW):

Leave 58th St/Bway stop, right onto Broadway

Left onto 57 street (Presumably) to 9th Avenue

Left onto 14th street

Right onto 7th ave

Left onto canal street

Cross Manhattan Bridge

Continue down Flatbush Ave Ext. and Flatbush Ave

Left onto Eastern Parkway @ Grand Army Plaza

Right onto nostrand ave

Terminate at SW corner of flatbush and nostrand (On nostrand)

Route description n/b

First stop NE corner of flatbush and nostrand (On flatbush)

Right onto nostrand

Right onto farragut road

Left onto New York Avenue

Left onto Eastern Parkway

Right onto Flatbush Ave @ G.A. Plaza

Cross Manh Bridge and continue on Canal Street

Right onto 6th ave

Left onto 14th street

Right onto 8th ave

Left onto 58th street, terminate

Very similar to an express route I proposed lol. Assuming this would use a combo of Flatbush and MJQ? Which buses?

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3 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Very similar to an express route I proposed lol. Assuming this would use a combo of Flatbush and MJQ? Which buses?

Heard it was flatbush. Dunno if it’s gonna be 40s, 60s, or a mix of the two

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