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51 minutes ago, Orion6025 said:

Yeah that makes sense. WOuld've been cost prohibitive to do that

I guess, but it was only 10 buses. Remember that they were going to repower the MTA bus Company Orion 7s (both OG and NG) to diesels as well. Only #3563 was ever converted. BTW, #3753 and #3773 to Spring Creek depot. Are they short on C40LFs again? Also about 102 2004 Orion VII OG hybrids remain from the former 125 units.

On 5/3/2019 at 7:15 PM, Len90 said:

I was wrong in my prior post. The S79 limited seems to be exclusive yet on the Orion’s. None of the new nova are in select markings. 

 

8574 and 8590 photographed on the road today leaving Yukon with a bunch more seen lined up inside the depot from the street. 8574 running the S59 and 8590 was showing not in service. 

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Have any LFS's been given the +SBS+ wrap yet?

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S79 has been seeing a lot of mixing over the past three weeks. It started with some of the 2015-2016 Nova's popping up and just this week there were a few of the newest Nova buses running the route. None of the new buses I have seen circulating around SI have the SBS wrap. I'm sure there will be some coming soon. The Orion VII is getting tougher to find on any of the local routes out of Yukon. 

Any word on what will happen with the SBS Orion 7s? They look pretty beat up

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12 hours ago, Len90 said:

S79 has been seeing a lot of mixing over the past three weeks. It started with some of the 2015-2016 Nova's popping up and just this week there were a few of the newest Nova buses running the route. None of the new buses I have seen circulating around SI have the SBS wrap. I'm sure there will be some coming soon. The Orion VII is getting tougher to find on any of the local routes out of Yukon. 

Any word on what will happen with the SBS Orion 7s? They look pretty beat up

Those units are getting transferred to the Manhattan division and are to be unwrapped. The 2009-2010 Orion VII Next Generation hybrids as a whole are leaving SI to go to Manhattan depots to replace the 2004 Orion VII OG hybrids. The only Orion VIIs that will remain on the Island (for now) will be the EPA10 2011-2012 Orion VII 3G clean diesels :  #7000-7089.

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On 5/21/2019 at 7:32 PM, Chris.A said:

BTW, #3753 and #3773 to Spring Creek depot. Are they short on C40LFs again?

Probably. Happens every now and then whenever a few more than usual break down

On 5/21/2019 at 7:32 PM, Chris.A said:

Have any LFS's been given the +SBS+ wrap yet?

No

16 hours ago, Len90 said:

Any word on what will happen with the SBS Orion 7s?

They're going to manhattanville

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On May 6th, 2019, the MTA retired its RTS fleet. The last unit to run in revenue service, 5241, ran on the M55 route from Bryant Park to Lower Manhattan. Afterwards, 5241 joined 5249 and New Flyer XE40 0013 for one last public viewing.

 

 

 

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On 5/24/2019 at 11:43 AM, GojiMet86 said:

On May 6th, 2019, the MTA retired its RTS fleet. The last unit to run in revenue service, 5241, ran on the M55 route from Bryant Park to Lower Manhattan. Afterwards, 5241 joined 5249 and New Flyer XE40 0013 for one last public viewing.

 

 

 

47740291202_b61659e56c_c.jpgIMG_5374 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

47796999211_1d9992a579_c.jpgIMG_5381 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

47744824152_1b667a0017_c.jpgIMG_5383 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

47798029661_a8e4395b53_c.jpgIMG_5386 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

33921053008_deca098c2c_c.jpgIMG_5398 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

46883657615_51a8eb51ca_c.jpgIMG_5402 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

46883653605_07dccf2131_c.jpgIMG_5420 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

33922953278_74dd5e750f_c.jpgIMG_5425 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

47806440431_9ced67f788_c.jpgIMG_5460 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

32867191867_2857c551e5_c.jpgIMG_5463 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

40847055473_2510ab9cea_c.jpgIMG_5469 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

40847055223_498d533906_c.jpgIMG_5471 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

32876429957_e143b3d004_c.jpgIMG_5480 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

40853809893_d8e5aa90e5_c.jpgIMG_5481 by GojiMet86, on Flickr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still  can't believe these buses are gone. It is totally unreal and otherworldly to picture a NYCTA without the RTS.

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On 5/23/2019 at 1:06 PM, Orion6025 said:

Probably. Happens every now and then whenever a few more than usual break down

No

They're going to manhattanville

I do wonder, if the MTA did buy those 1995 Flexible Metro Es, how would have that affected the bus fleet?  They (#1900-1949) would have come in after we received our last TMC RTS's and during the delivery of our second Orion Vs. Thoughts?

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As of now, only about 70-75 2004 Orion VII OG hybrids remain in service. The MTA is rapidly killing off their 3rd ever batch of Orion 7s. Also, 1996 Novabus RTS #9006 was reported to be parked at Eastchester for some reason. This bus WAS at ground zero at the night if 9/11/2001, so maybe that might get preserved as well even though we already have a 9/11 bus...

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17 hours ago, Thomasw said:

Some expensive and lengthy repairs 

OOS indefinitely. BTW, 52 or so 2004 Orion VII buses remain in service.   

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On 6/7/2019 at 4:30 PM, Chris.A said:

Damn, what's the rush?

Not 100% sure. I can think of two possible explanations.

I guess deliveries are streaming in really fast so they just are retiring the buses fast too.

Also, part of it may have to do with them outright retiring buses over performing major maintenance work

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On 6/9/2019 at 11:51 PM, Orion6025 said:

Not 100% sure. I can think of two possible explanations.

I guess deliveries are streaming in really fast so they just are retiring the buses fast too.

Also, part of it may have to do with them outright retiring buses over performing major maintenance work

I would have sent those to MTA bus Company.

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I've taken the liberty of dropping the roster of remaining Gen 1 Orions assigned to a depot. Please note that not every single one of these is actually running. Some buses are up at Zerega doing god knows what, others are OOS pending scrap. Furthermore, this list changes literally every day so this will only be accurate for probably the next 12 hours?

Breakdown By Model Year:

2003 (2): 6383, 6390

2004 (44): 6393, 6400, 6412, 6418, 6423, 6427-6429, 6431-6434, 6436, 6439, 6441-6442, 6445, 6447-6450, 6454-6456, 6458, 6460, 6463-6467, 6469, 6471, 6473-6475, 6478-6481, 6483-6485, 6487

Breakdown By Depot:

Manhattanville (7): 6383, 6390, 6393, 6400, 6412, 6418, 6423

Queens Village (39): 6427-6429, 6431-6434, 6436, 6439, 6441-6442, 6445, 6447-6450, 6454-6456, 6458, 6460, 6463-6467, 6469, 6471, 6473-6475, 6478-6481, 6483-6485, 6487

I would expect the Queens Village count to plummet imminently. That depot received 11 new Nova LFS in the past two days and only retired 2 Orions... Add 1 more Nova to Queens Village, 2 to Kingsbridge, and 3 to Gun Hill if we're talking the entire past week.

I won't be doing these fleet-status update posts on a regular basis since posting daily updates is frankly not really productive and just clogs the forum. That said I generally keep the wiki status mostly up to date so check that if you're into this stuff (Since stuff changes daily and I'm not editing everyday, inevitably every edit becomes outdated within hours).

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6 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

I've taken the liberty of dropping the roster of remaining Gen 1 Orions assigned to a depot. Please note that not every single one of these is actually running. Some buses are up at Zerega doing god knows what, others are OOS pending scrap. Furthermore, this list changes literally every day so this will only be accurate for probably the next 12 hours?

Breakdown By Model Year:

2003 (2): 6383, 6390

2004 (44): 6393, 6400, 6412, 6418, 6423, 6427-6429, 6431-6434, 6436, 6439, 6441-6442, 6445, 6447-6450, 6454-6456, 6458, 6460, 6463-6467, 6469, 6471, 6473-6475, 6478-6481, 6483-6485, 6487

Breakdown By Depot:

Manhattanville (7): 6383, 6390, 6393, 6400, 6412, 6418, 6423

Queens Village (39): 6427-6429, 6431-6434, 6436, 6439, 6441-6442, 6445, 6447-6450, 6454-6456, 6458, 6460, 6463-6467, 6469, 6471, 6473-6475, 6478-6481, 6483-6485, 6487

I would expect the Queens Village count to plummet imminently. That depot received 11 new Nova LFS in the past two days and only retired 2 Orions... Add 1 more Nova to Queens Village, 2 to Kingsbridge, and 3 to Gun Hill if we're talking the entire past week.

I won't be doing these fleet-status update posts on a regular basis since posting daily updates is frankly not really productive and just clogs the forum. That said I generally keep the wiki status mostly up to date so check that if you're into this stuff (Since stuff changes daily and I'm not editing everyday, inevitably every edit becomes outdated within hours).

This is mildly unrelated, but did the MTA ever repaired #2755 from the fire damage it had back in 2016 (mere months after delivery) or was it scrapped? Same with #2304?

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On 6/13/2019 at 1:26 AM, Chris.A said:

This is mildly unrelated, but did the MTA ever repaired #2755 from the fire damage it had back in 2016 (mere months after delivery) or was it scrapped? Same with #2304?

Neither are in service right now. The only definitive answer I can give is that 2304 is done for good because it sustained significant frame damage and they didn’t want to bother with it. I never heard the final world on 2755; it’s possible it could return since 8016 (or whatever number that bus was) came back after that fire but 2755 was burned up so bad I doubt they would try making the repairs

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10 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

Neither are in service right now. The only definitive answer I can give is that 2304 is done for good because it sustained significant frame damage and they didn’t want to bother with it. I never heard the final world on 2755; it’s possible it could return since 8016 (or whatever number that bus was) came back after that fire but 2755 was burned up so bad I doubt they would try making the repairs

That bus was on warranty though. And it was #8017. #2304 was also still a fairly new bus when that happened (infact, I believe  that #2304 crashed on the same day that #2755 had burned down).

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2015 XD40 #7403  is out of service from Casey Stengel depot due to an accident (supposedly). Also, 2005 Orion VII OG hybrid #6546 is now retired from MTA Bus Company service. Dead motor.

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On 5/23/2019 at 1:06 PM, Orion6025 said:

Probably. Happens every now and then whenever a few more than usual break down

No

They're going to manhattanville

XE40 #015 MJQ< ENY according to NYCTF.

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21 hours ago, Chris.A said:

XE40 #015 MJQ< ENY according to NYCTF.

That was just for training purposes I think, 0015 is on the M42 right now

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MetroCard bus 1991 TMC RTS #8319 is still active despite rumors of being scrapped. That's good for it is the last NYCTA TMC RTS in existents (that we know of, a repowered one at that!). 2015-2016 Prevost car X3-45 #2589 was in an accident on SI and is OOS for now. As far as the NYCTA Orion VII OG hybrids go, 4 more 2004 hybrids have been retired and several 2005-2006 units have been retired as well for some reason : #6604-6605, #6671, #6681, and #6685. #6546 is also written off due to an engine mishap. Lastly 2002 New Flyer D60HF #5534 has been overhauled and is being preserved as a museum bus! 

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The last active 2003 Orion VII HEV, #6383, retired last night off the m5. That leaves the city with 23 2004s, all running out of QV

On 6/24/2019 at 11:25 PM, Chris.A said:

preserved

While we’re on the topic of preserved buses they also got 1999 Orion V, 6326

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11 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

The last active 2003 Orion VII HEV, #6383, retired last night off the m5. That leaves the city with 23 2004s, all running out of QV

While we’re on the topic of preserved buses they also got 1999 Orion V, 6326

But is that one even confirmed? It could get scrapped eventually. #6148 may or may not also be still around somewhere as well.

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