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On 5/15/2024 at 8:30 PM, DCTransitFilms said:

9308, 9309, 9310 delivered to LGA

4188, 4215 retired from JFK

3807 might be retired from service

 

On 5/5/2024 at 10:24 AM, r142a_7795 said:

Since no one seemed to follow up on this, these bus moves were related to the Bx90 shuttle bus that was running that week. All loaned buses are back at their respective depots, and service was manageable as public schools were out for spring break :)

I think the exact number is 294 (4 of the lead-acid and the rest are the lithium-ions). Crazy to think that only about a third of our Next Gen fleet is still in service.

Is there an update on the status of 2021-2022 Prevost X3-45 #1532? That bus had a fire at Baisley Park Depot and haven't been heard from since. Hoping it don't end up like 2016 Prevost X3-45 #2755...

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14 hours ago, New Yorker 2001 said:

I was worried about the R-211 contract. This possibly means the articulated trains might not actually be happening, but at least the SIR R-211S's will be coming in regardless as the R44 fleet is on borrowed time.

As far as buses are concerned, what about the upcoming diesel artic and MTA bus Company CNG orders? Also, the NYCTA New Flyer XHE40 Hydro bus order (2 units)? Are all those on pause as well? Can new Clean Diesels and Hybrids be ordered instead because in the short-term (between 2025-2027) NYCTA will need to have the following buses retired (assuming the 2023-2024 New Flyer XE40 Electric order kills off the remaining 2009-2010 Orion 7.501 Next Generation Hybrid buses on the TA side):

40 footers

- 2011 Nova LFS's #8000-8089

- 2011 New Flyer XD40s #4810-4899

- 2011-2012 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesels #7000-7089

- 2011-2013 New Flyer C40LF CNGs #185-672 (split between NYCTA and MTA bus Company)

60 footers

- 2009-2010 Nova LFSAs #1200-1289

- 2011-2013 Nova LFSAs #5770-5986, #5252-5298, and #5300-5363

- 2012-2013 New Flyer XD60s #4710-4799

45 footers

- 2004-2007 MCI D4500CLs #3000-3474 (all remaining units)

- 2008-2009 MCI D4500CTs #2195-2250 (split between NYCTA and MTA bus Company)

- 2011-2012 Prevost X3-45s #2400-2489

-2012-2013 MCI D4500CTs #2251-2304.

 

Hopefully, something can get worked out where the ZEB initiative can be postponed to 2045 instead and new ICE buses can be purchased as a stop gap through 2030. There is also the possibility that a returning president can cut federal funding to TAs that want to switch to electric. The MTA should take that into consideration long term.

 

Also and I called this, but #2024 New Flyer XE40 Electrics #5009 and #5013 to Grand Avenue Depot from Gun Hill.

There's so many variables playing into November that it's not even funny. I feel that if the entire R211A base order is paid for, then they should be safe. Same goes for the R211S sets, as the R44s desperately need to go. If the R211 option orders get postponed or scrubbed entirely, we may see some better abled R46s stick around longer though.

As you mentioned, articulation of future trains is likely going to be thrown out the window - especially if November throws us a worst-case scenario where transit nationwide is suddenly put on the mass privatization burner. It's real unfortunate that there are people out there (including those in political power) who think turning back the clocks back to the National City Lines days is a great thing. :(

Avoiding service cuts across the board needs to be the MTA's top priority at this point, and I feel they're going to do everything possible to maintain a state of good repair systemwide while making necessary moves to avoid massive service cuts. However, if we're presented with that worst-case scenario I just mentioned, things will get ugly real fast!

For the buses, yes, I feel we're going to see more diesel orders placed and a pushback on zero emissions goals.

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1 hour ago, HR2012TPA said:

There's so many variables playing into November that it's not even funny. I feel that if the entire R211A base order is paid for, then they should be safe. Same goes for the R211S sets, as the R44s desperately need to go. If the R211 option orders get postponed or scrubbed entirely, we may see some better abled R46s stick around longer though.

As you mentioned, articulation of future trains is likely going to be thrown out the window - especially if November throws us a worst-case scenario where transit nationwide is suddenly put on the mass privatization burner. It's real unfortunate that there are people out there (including those in political power) who think turning back the clocks back to the National City Lines days is a great thing. :(

Avoiding service cuts across the board needs to be the MTA's top priority at this point, and I feel they're going to do everything possible to maintain a state of good repair systemwide while making necessary moves to avoid massive service cuts. However, if we're presented with that worst-case scenario I just mentioned, things will get ugly real fast!

For the buses, yes, I feel we're going to see more diesel orders placed and a pushback on zero emissions goals.

I don't think they'll come to service cuts (atleast, not for now) but another fare hike or two is most certainly in the cards. OMNY's mass rollout to NICE and other systems could be delayed as well (which is weird how their buses still don't have it as NICE is basically just an extension of the MTA). If SIR's R211s are delayed (which I don't think it will be as it appears to be part of the base order more or less), then perhaps NYCTA could do what they first proposed years ago and overhaul some R68/68As and transfer those to SI as a stop gap.

As for buses, beyond the current 60 XE40 Electrics, (which are atleast 3 years late, this order should have wrapped up years ago) I think the 187 follow up New Flyer XE40 and 18 XE60 buses are on pause. The MTA will probably need to draft up a new major CNG order as well as a few Hybrid ones (or even more Clean Diesels if need be) to retire the list of buses I mentioned yesterday.

2024 New Flyer XE40 #5014 delivered NEW to GA Depot.

2009 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4401 to Spring Creek Depot.

2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4625 also to Spring Creek Depot.

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On 7/9/2024 at 6:30 PM, New Yorker 2001 said:

2018-2019 New Flyer XD40 #7507 was one of the wrecked newer XD40s no?

Yep. It'll go to Quill once it's repaired... it's nice to see more Hanover XD40s at Quill. #7568 looks good on some of those routes.

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1375-1376, 3007 College Point to Far Rockaway

1379, 1380, 1381 College Point to LGA

1382, 1384 Eastchester to LGA

1423, 1424, 1426 Eastchester to Far Rockaway

1495, 1496 Spring Creek to Far Rockaway

3066, 3150 Far Rockaway to Eastchester 

3150, 3257, 3261 Far Rockaway to College Point 

3284 LGA to Eastchester 

3289, 3295 LGA to College Point

3318 Far Rockaway to Spring Creek

5463 Mother Clara Hale to Michael J Quill 

 

Whats with all the MCI moves?

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Not 100% sure, but this might be due to mileage/maintenance. Most likely a few MCIs at LGA and FR are crapping out, so they're getting swapped with some newer Prevosts. Spring Creek, Eastchester and College Point still have a substantial number of MCIs left, so they might be better equipped to work on those buses. Those depots might also have enough of a spare factor that they can afford to leave the worst MCIs on standby while sending the rest out in service.

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It appears that the Nova LFSE+s will be here sooner than expected. They are now all at the JFK Vendor, 2024 Nova LFSE+s #5100-5104. All to be assigned to Charleston Depot.

Additionally, 152 2023-2024 Nova LFS's are left to be delivered, so that also means around 160 2009-2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrids are left at MTA bus Company + a farther 67 units at NYCTA.

2009 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrids #4231, #4239, and #4246 are now off the roster from MTA bus Company.

It's also my understanding that 2009 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4166 had a small fire recently, but is now back in service out of JFK Depot.

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2009 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4105 is now retired out of Far Rockaway Depot. Is now off the roster.

On 7/14/2024 at 7:23 AM, DCTransitFilms said:

1375-1376, 3007 College Point to Far Rockaway

1379, 1380, 1381 College Point to LGA

1382, 1384 Eastchester to LGA

1423, 1424, 1426 Eastchester to Far Rockaway

1495, 1496 Spring Creek to Far Rockaway

3066, 3150 Far Rockaway to Eastchester 

3150, 3257, 3261 Far Rockaway to College Point 

3284 LGA to Eastchester 

3289, 3295 LGA to College Point

3318 Far Rockaway to Spring Creek

5463 Mother Clara Hale to Michael J Quill 

 

Whats with all the MCI moves?

It's to consolidate the remaining MCI D4500CLs (around 230 of them systemwide). LGA Depot is almost MCI Free, with 2005-06 D4500CL #3289 being it's final unit.

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1425: Eastchester to Far Rockaway 

1453-1455 Yonkers to Far Rockaway 

1489-1491 Yonkers to LaGuardia 

1492-1494 Spring Creek to LGA

1497 Spring Creek to Far Rockaway 

3115, 3214 Far Rockaway to Eastchester 

3279 LGA to Eastchester

3293, 3297 LGA to College Point 

3298-3299, 3301 LGA to Spring Creek

3302-3304 LGA to Yonkers 

3319-3320 Far Rockaway to Spring Creek

3326-3327, 3329 Far Rockaway to LGA 

4380, 4439 LGA to College Point (loan)

5283, 5294, 5328, 5963 West Farms to Gun Hill

3007 still at College Point

8981 delivered to Baisley Park

9135 delivered to JFK

4156 retired from JFK

Also the Nova LFSe+ have not been assigned a depot yet

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6 minutes ago, DCTransitFilms said:

1425: Eastchester to Far Rockaway 

1453-1455 Yonkers to Far Rockaway 

1489-1491 Yonkers to LaGuardia 

1492-1494 Spring Creek to LGA

1497 Spring Creek to Far Rockaway 

3115, 3214 Far Rockaway to Eastchester 

3279 LGA to Eastchester

3293, 3297 LGA to College Point 

3298-3299, 3301 LGA to Spring Creek

3302-3304 LGA to Yonkers 

3319-3320 Far Rockaway to Spring Creek

3326-3327, 3329 Far Rockaway to LGA 

4380, 4439 LGA to College Point (loan)

5283, 5294, 5328, 5963 West Farms to Gun Hill

3007 still at College Point

8981 delivered to Baisley Park

9135 delivered to JFK

4156 retired from JFK

Also the Nova LFSe+ have not been assigned a depot yet

If I remember correctly, #3007 is the oldest MTA bus still in service, being a 2004 MCI D4500CL. I can only imagine the mileage on that unit...

If you recall, 2004 MCI D4500CL #3000 retired back in January 2024.

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