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1 hour ago, DCTransitFilms said:

237 now at College Point

7917, 7918 delivered to East New York

7350 Ulmer Park to Fresh Pond

Why is Jackie Gleason Depot losing C40LFs to MTA bus (College Point Depot)? I know back in late 2011, this was the fleet assignments for those buses:

College Point: #185-229 (although #230 started out at MTA bus before switching to NYCTA)

Jackie Gleason: #230-265

West Farms: #266-319

Jackie Gleason: #320-490

Spring Creek: #491-529 (IIRC)

College Point: #530-569

Spring Creek #570-599

College Point: #600-658

Jackie Gleason: #659-672

The assignments above were exact or close to how I remember them being delivered. The MTA bus Company units could not go to NYCTA (or at the time, MTA Long Island bus pre-NICE takeover) because they were brought with federal money, similar to the 2008-2011 Orion 7.501 NG CNGs #1700-1839 (which would also be joined by the 2012-13 EPA10 Orion 7.501 3G CNGs #1840-1882 (later expanded to #1884). It's strange how the NYCTA units are being moved to MTA bus now even though none of these are 12 years old yet (as I would assume NYCTA would follow the same general rules even though their set was not brought with Fed money).

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The MTA will be receiving two hydrogen fuel cell buses (New Flyer XHE40), based out of Gun Hill depot.

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-receives-grant-first-zero-emission-hydrogen-buses

 

 

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NYSERDA’s $8 Million Electric Bus & Truck Challenge Grant Will Fund the Authority’s First-Ever Deployment of Zero-Emission Hydrogen Fuel Cell Buses
Hydrogen Buses Will Diversify MTA’s Zero-Emission Fleet

 

Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) New York City Transit (NYCT) President Richard Davey today accepted an $8 million award from the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) as part of its Electric Truck & Bus Challenge grants. The grant will enable the MTA to deploy the Authority’s first-ever hydrogen fuel cell buses, further advancing the MTA’s commitment to an all zero-emission bus fleet by 2040. Two hydrogen fuel cell buses will be deployed, and the MTA will install a hydrogen fueling station capable of fueling up to 40 buses at the Gun Hill depot in the Bronx. The buses will run on approximately eight routes serving disadvantaged communities in northeast and central Bronx. The MTA has prioritized the deployment of zero-emission buses to environmental justice communities like those served by the Gun Hill depot, which have long-standing equity concerns on emissions and air-quality issues.

 
“Today’s award is a historic moment for New York City Transit, as we prepare to deploy the first-ever hydrogen fuel cell buses at the MTA and in all of New York State,” said NYCT President Richard Davey. “As the MTA boldly moves towards a zero-emission bus fleet by 2040, demonstrating that hydrogen is a feasible and effective complement to our existing and future battery-electric fleet is a crucial next step. This grant will help us successfully showcase the role hydrogen fuel-cell buses have in the MTA’s zero-emission future.” 

The two hydrogen fuel cell buses will be 40-foot New Flyer Xcelsior CHARGE H2 buses, with a range of over 300 miles. The buses will use hydrogen primarily produced with 100% renewable energy from hydropower. The deployment of buses is scheduled to operate in passenger service by the end of 2024 and will be subject to rigorous performance and reliability monitoring.

The MTA’s environmentally sustainable transit system allows the New York metropolitan region to avoid more than 17 million metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually, or more than three times the annual greenhouse gas emissions of San Francisco. It also means New York State has the lowest per capita energy consumption and greenhouse gas emissions in the United States. The commitment to an all zero-emission bus fleet by 2040 will make what is already the most sustainable way to get around the New York region even greener.  

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

The MTA will be receiving two hydrogen fuel cell buses (New Flyer XHE40), based out of Gun Hill depot.

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-receives-grant-first-zero-emission-hydrogen-buses

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's about time they considered testing Hydrogen powered buses. I was starting to think that they were never going to look into it. That being said, why Gun Hill out of all places? Wouldn't hydrogen more or less be considered the next step pass CNG? I would have thought that doing this at West Farms or even moreso Jackie Gleason (given their past) would make more sense. In any case, glad to hear this.

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More updates from the NYC Forums:

1597, 1602, 1604, 1605 delivered to Meredith Avenue

7885, 7888 delivered to Fresh Pond

7910, 7920, 7921, 7922, 7927, 7928 delivered to East New York

7958, 7962 delivered to Flatbush

3248, 3249, 3250 Spring Creek to College Point 

3361 Baisley Park to Far Rockaway 

4080, 4375 Eastchester to LGA 

4185 Casey Stengel to Baisley Park

4231 Flatbush to Baisley Park

4534 East New York to JFK

4601 Baisley Park to Flatbush

4692 Casey Stengel to Manhattanville

7357 Ulmer Park to Fresh Pond

The following units are retired:

2210 from Castleton

3003, 3601, 3979 from LGA

3013, 3036, 3055, 3244 scrapped from College Point

3776 from Baisley Park

3997, 4090, 4096, 4517 from Fresh Pond

4043, 4171 from JFK

4131, 4467 from Queens Village

4182, 4190 from Casey Stengel

4227 from East New York

 

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7974, 7975 delivered to Ulmer Park

2711 Meredith Avenue to Charleston

3249 Spring Creek to College Point

7348 Flatbush to Fresh Pond

Retired: 3641, 3657 (JFK), 4534, 4584 (East New York), 

Also the museum bus fleet was spotted at Eastchester lately. I don't think they'd be scrapped though as Amsterdam is having problems atm: http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=346563

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1 hour ago, DCTransitFilms said:

2214 is also retired from Castleton

2495, 2497, 2498, 2499 Charleston to Castleton 

How many 2008-09 CTs does Castleton even have left? Pretty sure almost all of them are retired now...

Anyway, we got some more BIG MTA news, but instead of NYCTA, this time it's an MTA bus Company exclusive. Apparently, in addition to the upcoming 135 Nova LFS's, BC will get an additional 173 more LFS's AND 116 NEW New Flyer XD40s for fiscal years 2023-2024. This will mean 424 new 40ft clean diesels buses for MTA bus company (this isn't including the upcoming future electric and CNG orders btw). Once this happens, that will be the absolute end of the Orion 7 era here in the big apple and surrounding areas (except maybe SCT). 

I suspect that the new LFS's (likely an option order) will be numbered above #8964-9098, so #9099-9272 would make sense. The New Flyer XD40s however are a bit of a mystery. However, I would not be surprised if they are numbered #2790-2905 as those fleet numbers are opened, but it's just a guess.

 

This is all from NYCTAF.

I'll also add this, more likely than not, JFK and LGA Depots will get the overwhelming majority of these new buses, though it is possible (given recent trends in the last 10 years or so regarding bus deployments) that LGA will get all the new XD40s (as they already have the 2015 batch) while the LFS's would be split up between LGA, JFK/FR, BP, and possibly even ECH Depot (IIRC, they are earmarked for some of the new 135 base order LFS's until the EVs arrive).

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57 minutes ago, DCTransitFilms said:

3736 is active

4524 retired from East New York

I don't think 2007 Orion 7.501 OG Hybrid #3736 was ever really retired. Aside from that, I still don't get why the MTA is killing off the #4500s as aggressively as they are despite being among the newest of the Next Generation buses (alongside the #4600s, #4700s, and #1800s).

In other MTA news, it is reported that the R211As will likely enter service by early 2023. So, probably around springtime. The MTA is looking to press all of the base car order into service (525 units) by summer 2024. If both options are taken (640 for Op1 and 437 for Op2), all cars will be here by the end of 2025. It is unclear however as to how many R211Ts will be ordered (if any beyond the 10 test cars). TBH, I would not be surprised if the R211Ts get axed and the MTA takes the data acquired from those cars and transfer them onto the purchase of the future R262 cars for the A division (the IRT). I say this because the MTA needs the R46s and the remaining SIR R44s gone so they can worry about retiring the R62/As and R68/As next.

Articulated Trains might not be in their best interest for right now when they have over 800 cars in need of replacing. It took almost 2 years for the base R211A to enter the 30 day passenger service, so imagine how much longer for the R211T's and R211S's (especially the T's).

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link was broken, perhaps someone else can provide a link. A couple of notable changes though: The B2 is discontinued (shocker) and the B31 and B100 will pick up the slack in that part of town near Sheepshead Bay. Another is that the B43 will no longer run along Brooklyn ave south towards Prospect Park. It will instead use Troy ave alongside the B15. Speaking of the B15, it will no longer go to JFK Airport (stupid in my opinion) but instead will be replaced by a new crosstown line called the "B55". The B103 Limited will no longer serve Downtown Brooklyn, but would essentially be split up almost into 2 routes with the northwestern portion being dubbed the "B81". It is unknown of the B81 will be a NYCTA line or an MTA bus Company line at this time. This kinda similar to how the split up the M5 over 5 years ago into the M55, all points south of 42nd Street to South Ferry.

 

In terms of Orion 7 retirements, 2006-2007 Orion 7.501 OG Hybrids #3533, #3686, #3747, and #3757 are all retired from MTA bus Company. 2008 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #3945 is now retired from MHV Depot, 2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrids #4536, #4544, and #4559 are all retired from ENY Depot, and 2011 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesel #7049 is OFFICIALLY retired from Castleton Depot and is now at ECH Scrap with #7047 likely to follow.

2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4552 is also done from East New York Depot.

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On 12/2/2022 at 9:17 AM, New Yorker 2001 said:

Brooklyn bus redesign has finally been unveiled....https://new.mta.info/project/brooklyn-bus-network-redesign

 

45 minutes ago, New Yorker 2001 said:

link was broken, perhaps someone else can provide a link. A couple of notable changes though: The B2 is discontinued (shocker) and the B31 and B100 will pick up the slack in that part of town near Sheepshead Bay. Another is that the B43 will no longer run along Brooklyn ave south towards Prospect Park. It will instead use Troy ave alongside the B15. Speaking of the B15, it will no longer go to JFK Airport (stupid in my opinion) but instead will be replaced by a new crosstown line called the "B55". The B103 Limited will no longer serve Downtown Brooklyn, but would essentially be split up almost into 2 routes with the northwestern portion being dubbed the "B81". It is unknown of the B81 will be a NYCTA line or an MTA bus Company line at this time. This kinda similar to how the split up the M5 over 5 years ago into the M55, all points south of 42nd Street to South Ferry.

Link works, you just had to press it and it'd take you to the page

45 minutes ago, New Yorker 2001 said:

In terms of Orion 7 retirements, 2006-2007 Orion 7.501 OG Hybrids #3533, #3686, #3747, and #3757 are all retired from MTA bus Company. 2008 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #3945 is now retired from MHV Depot, 2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrids #4536, #4544, and #4559 are all retired from ENY Depot, and 2011 Orion 7.501 EPA10 3G Clean Diesel #7049 is OFFICIALLY retired from Castleton Depot and is now at ECH Scrap with #7047 likely to follow.

2010 Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid #4552 is also done from East New York Depot.

Now moves:

1371, 1372 delivered to College Point

1603 delivered to Meredith Avenue

7975 confirmed at Ulmer Park now in service

2714 Meredith Avenue to Charleston

3361 Far Rockaway to Baisley Park

4754 Grand Ave to Ulmer Park

And this:

8757, 8758, 8920, 8921, 8922 on their way to Casey Stengel 

9853, 9910 on their way to Manhattanville 

 

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5 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said:

 

Link works, you just had to press it and it'd take you to the page

Now moves:

1371, 1372 delivered to College Point

1603 delivered to Meredith Avenue

7975 confirmed at Ulmer Park now in service

2714 Meredith Avenue to Charleston

3361 Far Rockaway to Baisley Park

4754 Grand Ave to Ulmer Park

And this:

8757, 8758, 8920, 8921, 8922 on their way to Casey Stengel 

9853, 9910 on their way to Manhattanville 

 

So the #9900s are FINALLY on their way huh? I wonder if the MTA will get a few free extra LFS Hybrids (as well as X3-45s too for that matter) due to the extremely late deliveries? It would only be far as these orders should have been done by the start of Summer this year (2022). How are we still getting new buses from 2021 when it's almost 2023?

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There's a possibility that parts of MJQ Depot could shut down in Spring 2023 due to roofing issues. As a result, the MTA is in talks with NJT to rent one of their abandoned bus lots adjacent to the Depot. If they are unable to, they will then transfer some routes to other Depots (i.e. the M60 +SBS+ could go to MCH Depot, while the M79 +SBS+ and M86 +SBS+ could go to 100 st Depot). Once this happens (if it does), the luggage rack equipped 2018-19 Novabus LFSAs #5444-5467 will head over to MCH while some 2019 New Flyer XD60s COULD possibly head over to Flatbush Depot to kick out their remaining LFSAs. Meanwhile, the M31 would be transferred to MJQ, thus taking 100's #9600s with it.

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On 12/6/2022 at 7:11 AM, New Yorker 2001 said:

There's a possibility that parts of MJQ Depot could shut down in Spring 2023 due to roofing issues. As a result, the MTA is in talks with NJT to rent one of their abandoned bus lots adjacent to the Depot. If they are unable to, they will then transfer some routes to other Depots (i.e. the M60 +SBS+ could go to MCH Depot, while the M79 +SBS+ and M86 +SBS+ could go to 100 st Depot). Once this happens (if it does), the luggage rack equipped 2018-19 Novabus LFSAs #5444-5467 will head over to MCH while some 2019 New Flyer XD60s COULD possibly head over to Flatbush Depot to kick out their remaining LFSAs. Meanwhile, the M31 would be transferred to MJQ, thus taking 100's #9600s with it.

The lots where NJT stores buses for NYC trips right? Don't they got like two or three lots nearby Port Authority?

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57 minutes ago, DCTransitFilms said:

The lots where NJT stores buses for NYC trips right? Don't they got like two or three lots nearby Port Authority?

NJT got another large bus lot just across the river in Weehawken NJ. I suppose the MTA could also try to shoot for that lot but that might be a headache to move buses and staff around.

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23 minutes ago, New Yorker 2001 said:

NJT got another large bus lot just across the river in Weehawken NJ. I suppose the MTA could also try to shoot for that lot but that might be a headache to move buses and staff around.

It would be a massive inconvenience as well. They might just rent out the ones in NYC for the time being.

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