Scarborough RT

[Mike]

25 minutes ago, Kelvin3157 said:

The SRT is based at Danforth division which also Line 2 is based at. It’s assumed they’re put on Line 2 now

What is the reason why Danforth is used to operate the lines rather than Greenwood?  Does Greenwood not have the space necessary for equipment/personnel?

Do line 2 operators first have to report to Danforth and then make their way to Greenwood to pick up their trains?

[Kelvin3157]

6 hours ago, Mike said:

What is the reason why Danforth is used to operate the lines rather than Greenwood?  Does Greenwood not have the space necessary for equipment/personnel?

Do line 2 operators first have to report to Danforth and then make their way to Greenwood to pick up their trains?

Greenwood is not a division, so it appears they may not be able to support operation personnel.

There is also a reason why Coxwell is a change off point instead of Greenwood as Danforth is right there. 

[81-717]

On 8/27/2023 at 1:03 AM, anyfong said:

In that library photo, what was that floor material? Looks like carpet to me.

That I don't know, but I don't think the TTC ever used carpeting (it was initially considered when the H5s were being ordered, but rightfully quickly dropped before it ever came to be). Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the original floor with circular pegs must've been something similar to this.

[Orion V]

2 hours ago, 81-717 said:

That I don't know, but I don't think the TTC ever used carpeting (it was initially considered when the H5s were being ordered, but rightfully quickly dropped before it ever came to be). Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the original floor with circular pegs must've been something similar to this.

The circular shape is smoothed and not layered like in your example.

Do you remember the old Eaton Centre bridge to Hudson Bay Centre in downtown? That bridge had a similar floor to the original RT floor albeit with a different colour.

[T3G]

If anyone wants any last minute photos of the SRT cars, there are some opportunities. I shouldn't wait too long, however, and if you don't have a proper camera with a zoom lens, don't bother.

Car 3001, which was the one that torpedoed the service, is parked on the loop track at the south end of McCowan yard, shunned and disgraced by the rest of the herd. You can see this from the sidewalk on Ellesmere at Parkington. Don't be fooled, like I was, by the google streetview imagery showing a plaza where you could get right up to the fence and get a killer shot... this no longer exists and this is as close as you can get.

If you get up on the little hill past McCowan station (on Grangeway Av), you can see the serviceable cars parked, looking like they're ready to head out into service. Of note here is car 3024, which is actually 3024/II (ex 3016); cars 3017 and the original 3024 were reported as being retired early in July and 3016 and 3025 were coupled together, with 3016 being renumbered to keep the number sequence. There is a visual hint; the "30" is yellowed and dusty, while the "24" looks brand new.

[York Transit]

5 hours ago, 81-717 said:

That I don't know, but I don't think the TTC ever used carpeting (it was initially considered when the H5s were being ordered, but rightfully quickly dropped before it ever came to be). Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the original floor with circular pegs must've been something similar to this.

https://www.wayfair.ca/GFloor--Commercial-Coin-5-ft.-x-10-ft.-Garage-Flooring-Roll-in-Slate-Grey-GF75CN510SG-L975-K~GFLR1091.html?refid=GX588698885717-GFLR1091&device=m&ptid=403202188233&targetid=pla-403202188233&network=g&ireid=130871526&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0bunBhD9ARIsAAZl0E0mZDH0SRYx7GKCb2zMMjr4PwRM3TO7lxpZtBV6TTjYe32oTH3Kk5caAmMxEALw_wcB

 

No it was like this but orange

[81-717]

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Car 3001, which was the one that torpedoed the service

Well, it sure torpedoed itself into the air.

On 8/30/2023 at 7:19 PM, Orion V said:

Do you remember the old Eaton Centre bridge to Hudson Bay Centre in downtown? That bridge had a similar floor to the original RT floor albeit with a different colour.

Unfortunately I don't, and don't think I've ever been on it. But yeah I see what you (and York Transit) mean now.

On 8/30/2023 at 10:05 PM, York Transit said:

https://www.wayfair.ca/GFloor--Commercial-Coin-5-ft.-x-10-ft.-Garage-Flooring-Roll-in-Slate-Grey-GF75CN510SG-L975-K~GFLR1091.html?refid=GX588698885717-GFLR1091&device=m&ptid=403202188233&targetid=pla-403202188233&network=g&ireid=130871526&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0bunBhD9ARIsAAZl0E0mZDH0SRYx7GKCb2zMMjr4PwRM3TO7lxpZtBV6TTjYe32oTH3Kk5caAmMxEALw_wcB

No it was like this but orange

[6254]

Do they keep the interior lights and the upper headlights on?

[Bus_Medic]

3 hours ago, 6254 said:

Do they keep the interior lights and the upper headlights on?

It disturbs the wildlife.

[Chris W]

1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said:

It disturbs the wildlife.

I call the big one Bitey.

[Toro]

Prior to the shutdown, here's a photo of the original 3024 after it retired.  Note the missing headlight 

I wonder how long until the first car is towed away. Also I think its rare for ttc to remove decals and numbers from rail vehicles so I wonder if they'll bother doing it at to the rt

I'm also wondering if a new bid will be put up for the disposal of these cars or if they'll just join the viis in port perry...

[AWEChess1]

I suppose the whole McCowan Yard facility will be left to rot after this...

[T3G]

45 minutes ago, AWEChess1 said:

I suppose the whole McCowan Yard facility will be left to rot after this...

Toronto is not a rustbelt village. They cannot afford to leave the facility to rot. At length it will be pulled up and redeveloped.

[Wonka]

4 hours ago, AWEChess1 said:

I suppose the whole McCowan Yard facility will be left to rot after this...

Why would you even come to that conclusion?

[Xtrazsteve]

I imagine the yard be used as another storage facility.

[Kumiko Oumae]

1 hour ago, Xtrazsteve said:

I imagine the yard be used as another storage facility.

Hmm…

Why not convert it into another bus garage in Scarborough? Sure that could relieve pressure from McNicoll, Malvern and Birchmount Garages but the land size is way too small anyway and would require the acquisition of its nearby properties in order to expand.

A new "McCowan Garage" would have to host routes 9, 16, 21, 38, 54, 95, 132, 133, 134, 154, 178, 300, 302, 354, 395, 903, 938, 954, 995. This will leave Malvern with 10, 39, 85, 86, 102, 116, 129, 130, 131, 169, 300, 385, 902, 903, 905, 939, 985, 986. FINCH EAST gets split with McNicoll and Malvern in order to maintain the balance between the garages.

If that doesn’t work, as I said above, why not turn it into another Wheel-Trans Division for the eastern side of Toronto? Well, Queensway can be the long rumored Wheel Trans Division for the western part of the city once Obico is in operation, leaving some options for Lakeshore: Maintain its status as a Wheel Trans Division for the central section of Toronto or convert it into a new, conventional, regular bus garage in a role Danforth and Davenport lost years ago to service its routes in the downtown core. Have Lakeshore host routes 8, 13, 19, 22, 25, 26, 31, 55, 62, 65, 72, 75, 82, 83, 87, 91, 92, 93, 94, 100, 121, 127, 202, 300, 320, 322, 325, 925. This will leave Queensway to run only routes 400, 402, 405 and McCowan to operate 403, 404. Or better yet, since McCowan is smaller, they can move the Wheel-Trans operations there and convert Lakeshore into a bus division to serve downtown. Birchmount can have the 86/116 back anyway and install Artic hoists for the 905.

[Bus_Medic]

2 hours ago, Kumiko Oumae said:

Hmm…

Why not convert it into another bus garage in Scarborough? Sure that could relieve pressure from McNicoll, Malvern and Birchmount Garages but the land size is way too small anyway and would require the acquisition of its nearby properties in order to expand.

A new "McCowan Garage" would have to host routes 9, 16, 21, 38, 54, 95, 132, 133, 134, 154, 178, 300, 302, 354, 395, 903, 938, 954, 995. This will leave Malvern with 10, 39, 85, 86, 102, 116, 129, 130, 131, 169, 300, 385, 902, 903, 905, 939, 985, 986. FINCH EAST gets split with McNicoll and Malvern in order to maintain the balance between the garages.

If that doesn’t work, as I said above, why not turn it into another Wheel-Trans Division for the eastern side of Toronto? Well, Queensway can be the long rumored Wheel Trans Division for the western part of the city once Obico is in operation, leaving some options for Lakeshore: Maintain its status as a Wheel Trans Division for the central section of Toronto or convert it into a new, conventional, regular bus garage in a role Danforth and Davenport lost years ago to service its routes in the downtown core. Have Lakeshore host routes 8, 13, 19, 22, 25, 26, 31, 55, 62, 65, 72, 75, 82, 83, 87, 91, 92, 93, 94, 100, 121, 127, 202, 300, 320, 322, 325, 925. This will leave Queensway to run only routes 400, 402, 405 and McCowan to operate 403, 404. Or better yet, since McCowan is smaller, they can move the Wheel-Trans operations there and convert Lakeshore into a bus division to serve downtown. Birchmount can have the 86/116 back anyway and install Artic hoists for the 905.

Because that’s stupid.

[Downsview 108]

21 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

I imagine the yard be used as another storage facility.

Yes, a storage unit for yuppies (starter condos).

[MK78]

Given the premature demise of the Scarborough RT, I put together the audio log from my  TTC radio recordings of the events as they unfolded, for those that may be interested. First 3 minutes is the general dispatch, then from that point on is the Subway Supervisor with the responding mobile units at Ellesmere Station.

Timeline is from 6:49pm July 24th 2023 to 2:42am July 25th 2023.

Length of combined audio approx 56 minutes.

[J. Bullock]

Is this plan still current?

[Xtrazsteve]

4 minutes ago, J. Bullock said:

Is this plan still current?

You have to wait till half a week before the mid November service changes for the TTC to announce their secretive plans. Until then, the TTC changes schedules like a little kid changing their mind.

[drum118]

Goodbye, Line 3 Scarborough RT. TTC invites public to farewell a Scarborough icon

September 21, 2023

The TTC is inviting the public to celebrate the end of a transit era, and say farewell to the Line 3 Scarborough RT (SRT) at a special event filled with fun, memorabilia and special guests at Scarborough Centre Station this Saturday.

Visitors will have the final opportunity to step on board one of the iconic blue SRT trains, which served millions of Scarborough residents and visitors for 38 years with automated rail cars and pioneering linear-induction propulsion technology.

“This is a difficult farewell for all those who relied on the Scarborough RT,” said Mayor Olivia Chow. “Like so many people in Toronto, I have fond memories of riding the iconic blue trains, high above the ground with panoramic views of Scarborough. Although its journey did not end the way had hoped, this farewell event is a wonderful opportunity to pay tribute to the rapid transit line that served Scarborough so well for 38 years. I look forward to joining on Saturday to say farewell to the SRT, and working to provide Scarborough residents the reliable and convenient transit they deserve.”

“While the July derailment is not how we expected to see the SRT go after 38 years of service, it is deserving of a fitting send-off,” said TTC Chair Jamaal Myers. “I am grateful to the TTC team for putting on this event so those of us with memories of the SRT can come out to say goodbye. Our focus must now be to continuously improve the Line 3 bus replacement service, ensuring that the people of Scarborough have a reliable, comfortable and frequent TTC service.”

“This is a celebration of the vibrant Scarborough community and the role the TTC has played in keeping its residents and visitors connected,” said TTC CEO Rick Leary. “This is also a celebration of our employees who worked so hard to keep the SRT running long past its anticipated retirement. Together with the City of Toronto, the TTC is working hard to ensure Scarborough residents and visitors have a frequent, high-capacity bus replacement service to get them to and from the places they need to go safely.”

Saturday’s celebration promises to be a fun, nostalgic event that transports visitors back to 1985 when the SRT began operations. The day will feature two static SRT trains on the station platforms, memorabilia, music, local artists and a marketplace with Scarborough artisans.

The event will also raise money for the United Way, with a silent auction featuring authentic SRT parts and exclusive merchandise.

When: Sat., Sept. 23
Where: Scarborough Centre Station
Time: 11:30 a.m. – 4 p.m.

[CJ.]

Platform setup rn had a look. No trains yet

[drum118]

TTC head confirms cause of Scarborough RT derailment

[Tom1122]

23 hours ago, drum118 said:

TTC head confirms cause of Scarborough RT derailment

For the want of some bolts, a rapid transit line was lost early.