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Having been very accustomed to the Vancouver Mark I and only have been on the Scarborough RT a few times in the winter, are the Line 3 Mark I's equipped with air conditioning or not? I find them strange without openable windows, which is something that exist in the Vancouver Mark I's as they are not equipped with air conditioning.

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30 minutes ago, anyfong said:

Having been very accustomed to the Vancouver Mark I and only have been on the Scarborough RT a few times in the winter, are the Line 3 Mark I's equipped with air conditioning or not? I find them strange without openable windows, which is something that exist in the Vancouver Mark I's as they are not equipped with air conditioning.

Yes, they have A/C.

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1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said:

Yes, they have A/C.

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

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2 hours ago, anyfong said:

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

Pretty confident they were delivered with them. TTC had been ordering subway cars with air conditioning since the mid-1970s, when the H5 cars were delivered.

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6 hours ago, anyfong said:

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, (which was not filmed by me) that was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

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Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

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2 hours ago, Bus_Medic said:

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, which was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

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Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

Really interesting! This would certainly have helped during the Vancouver heat wave earlier this month!

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On 7/20/2021 at 7:12 PM, Bus_Medic said:

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, (which was not filmed by me) that was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

61CF7CCC-CFC4-4AE4-A82F-64282F671061.thumb.jpeg.bb277535f68638bc2a9daf1772ba4798.jpeg

 

Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

That was my first thought too when I saw the R-22 cylender there.  One of my friends was cursing that out a few weeks ago when his central air bailed out and he checked the builder's plate and discovered it was an R-22 system.  He works in HVAC too, and he tossed the idea of recharging it for that reason so he's putting in a whole new system.  Talk about working on your day off.

On 7/20/2021 at 5:26 PM, Articulated said:

Pretty confident they were delivered with them. TTC had been ordering subway cars with air conditioning since the mid-1970s, when the H5 cars were delivered.

Yes, I can confirm it, they came with air conditioning.  The TTC had air conditioning on the H5 cars and it was included in the order for the H6 cars and new buses started having air conditioning right around this time too.  The only thing the TTC was buying around that time that did not have AC was streetcars.  The ALRV order inexplicably did not have air conditioning which really baffled me.  Everything else they were buying did but they stuck it to streetcar passengers and really stuck it to the operators doing full shifts on them without the AC.

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Toronto is one of those cities to have A/C on most vehicles since the 90s. There's still a significant number of buses without A/C in Vancouver and Montreal. I don't know how the operators survived the 40 degrees heat wave over there.

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