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Having been very accustomed to the Vancouver Mark I and only have been on the Scarborough RT a few times in the winter, are the Line 3 Mark I's equipped with air conditioning or not? I find them strange without openable windows, which is something that exist in the Vancouver Mark I's as they are not equipped with air conditioning.

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30 minutes ago, anyfong said:

Having been very accustomed to the Vancouver Mark I and only have been on the Scarborough RT a few times in the winter, are the Line 3 Mark I's equipped with air conditioning or not? I find them strange without openable windows, which is something that exist in the Vancouver Mark I's as they are not equipped with air conditioning.

Yes, they have A/C.

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1 hour ago, Bus_Medic said:

Yes, they have A/C.

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

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2 hours ago, anyfong said:

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

Pretty confident they were delivered with them. TTC had been ordering subway cars with air conditioning since the mid-1970s, when the H5 cars were delivered.

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6 hours ago, anyfong said:

I always thought that there's not enough space in the roof to put them. Were they equipped with A/C since its opening in 1985 or were they fitted after a refurbishment?

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, (which was not filmed by me) that was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

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Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

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2 hours ago, Bus_Medic said:

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, which was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

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Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

Really interesting! This would certainly have helped during the Vancouver heat wave earlier this month!

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On 7/20/2021 at 7:12 PM, Bus_Medic said:

That’s because it’s under the floor.

The following are screen grabs from this video, (which was not filmed by me) that was shot during an open house quite a few years ago:

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The compressor mounted under the car:

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Fun factoid: good luck obtaining R22 refrigerant these days.

 

https://youtu.be/VfSDSMnV-Yw

That was my first thought too when I saw the R-22 cylender there.  One of my friends was cursing that out a few weeks ago when his central air bailed out and he checked the builder's plate and discovered it was an R-22 system.  He works in HVAC too, and he tossed the idea of recharging it for that reason so he's putting in a whole new system.  Talk about working on your day off.

On 7/20/2021 at 5:26 PM, Articulated said:

Pretty confident they were delivered with them. TTC had been ordering subway cars with air conditioning since the mid-1970s, when the H5 cars were delivered.

Yes, I can confirm it, they came with air conditioning.  The TTC had air conditioning on the H5 cars and it was included in the order for the H6 cars and new buses started having air conditioning right around this time too.  The only thing the TTC was buying around that time that did not have AC was streetcars.  The ALRV order inexplicably did not have air conditioning which really baffled me.  Everything else they were buying did but they stuck it to streetcar passengers and really stuck it to the operators doing full shifts on them without the AC.

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Toronto's Line 3 Scarborough RT - Part 1/2 - History and Technology with Seth McDermott - July 2021

In this video discussion with Seth McDermott, a transit enthusiast and historian, we discuss the history and development of this very interesting and unique transit line, as well as the linear induction motor (LIM) technology that it helped pioneer. Be sure to also watch Part 2 of this video series, in which the conversation continues, and touches on the many expansion and upgrade options that have been debated over the years, and its eventual and soon approaching permanent closure in 2023. (Part 2 will be released in the coming days).

 

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8 hours ago, Tom1122 said:

Has anyone ever got on/off a train at the opposite platform at McCowen? I got off a train on the opposite platform today.

Yeah that sometimes happens if the switches are acting up or if they are the train out of service and into the yard which is just past McCowan station, or if a train on the other platform is being held for whatever reason like mechanical issue or medical/police.

I am close enough to be able to listen to the Scarborough RT radio comms, I think the last remaining TTC fleet to be on analog radio, although I have heard testing on TETRA, so they may be switching at some point.

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While the ridership on the RT doesn't really justify using both platforms at McCowan, I still think it's a great idea to use that "eastbound" platform at McCowan as drop off only, have the train pull into the tracks beyond it, then switch to the westbound platforms there for boarding, just like King George Station on the SkyTrain.

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6 hours ago, anyfong said:

While the ridership on the RT doesn't really justify using both platforms at McCowan, I still think it's a great idea to use that "eastbound" platform at McCowan as drop off only, have the train pull into the tracks beyond it, then switch to the westbound platforms there for boarding, just like King George Station on the SkyTrain.

The current arrangement is friendlier to passengers though. Waiting for the train to switch tracks means more time spent in an outdoors scenario, which is significant in times of extreme cold or extreme heat. It's not like many people use McCowan anyway, so there is no passenger flow argument in favour of segregating offloading and loading. It's inventing a solution to a problem that just isn't there.

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22 hours ago, anyfong said:

While the ridership on the RT doesn't really justify using both platforms at McCowan, I still think it's a great idea to use that "eastbound" platform at McCowan as drop off only, have the train pull into the tracks beyond it, then switch to the westbound platforms there for boarding, just like King George Station on the SkyTrain.

Why?

 

What would possibly be gained in doing that?

 

The ridership of the station is so low as that there will never be hordes of people leaving the trains interacting with crowds standing on the platforms waiting. And forcing the trains to offload at a different platform than they load would lengthen the amount of time taken to do each round trip, lengthening the headways even more.

 

This is not Vancouver, who has a huge fleet that can easily add another train to account for these kinds of things. The SRT has an extremely limited fleet, and almost all of the equipment is already in use each day.

 

Dan

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