Eglinton Crosstown line

[Wayside Observer]

6 hours ago, Turtle said:

Um, my post was sarcasm. People who delay public transit, however they decide they want to, should have to pay a fine appropriate to the cost they impose on others. Stand in front of a bus to block it, just because they are upset they didn't get on ... there has to be some mathematical formula they could come up with to determine the actual cost to society because of their selfish actions. ... Jay walk in front of a moving streetcar, well eff you, darwin has an award he wants to give you. Take a leak at track level on the subway? Ooh, unauthorized at track level and cause a delay on a system that moves hundreds of thousands of people an hour just because you feel it's appropriate to urinate anywhere you want.

 

People have to get to work, job interviews, to pick up their kids at daycare, ... How is that entitled brat who can''t read a no entry sign more important than somebody else who is struggling and making the effort and has someplace to be in a certain amount of time, but can't get there because of the entitled idiot who picks some lame excuse why they aren't at fault for being a selfish narcissist?

 

But yeah, public transit is great, except for everybody who thinks they are more important than anybody else. I'm tired of this stuff

A mathematical approach to assessing the financial cost of delays.  Let's add damage to that too.  If someone does take their car down the LRT tracks it's entirely possible they've damaged parts of the infrastructure too if the hit something like an overhead support pole, equipment cabinet etc.

I remember an accident on Spadina at one of the intersections at the bridge over the tracks at the bottom end about 15 years ago.  One of the operators was telling me about it and the way the story went, someone made an illegal turn into the right of way and clipped one of the front open side corner of a CLRV in totally the wrong spot.  From what I was told, by visual inspection, the damage looked minor but the track light/turn signal/door switch asembly got bashed and something behind got shorted out and it killed the car.  The supervisor writing up the damage report put a low, couple hundred dollars figure on the estimated value of the damage but the operator got into an argument about that saying it's going to take hours of shop time to repair at $/hr.  It's taking out how many operators on backlogged cars stuck behind the dead vehicle.  It's eating how much of the supervisor's time at $/hr for all of them, it's holding up the public, there's a parts cost, it's a lot more than a couple hundred bucks.  In other words, it's starting to look like an actual assessment of what the total cost of this accident from someone trying to turn in to the right of way totalled up to based on some mathematical estimates.  The supervisor ended up writing down something larger and more realistic but yeah, I agree with the operator, it's not a trivial $200 or whatever the initial value that got crossed out was.

[lifty4ever]

On 5/1/2022 at 7:20 AM, Turtle said:

You mean like the ones that are currently broken, and have been broken for at least a year? Where would they install the gates, at every intersection, or just the portals?

Strange. I thought i saw them functional in February when i was down there 

[Xtrazsteve]

35 minutes ago, lifty4ever said:

Strange. I thought i saw them functional in February when i was down there 

They are functional yesterday, so you aren't seeing things

[Turtle]

On 5/10/2022 at 4:03 AM, Xtrazsteve said:

They are functional yesterday, so you aren't seeing things

What usually ends up happening is a car out on the line doesn't get picked up by the sensor, so the gate gets lifted and left up for the day (or days) until somebody comes out to check if the system is functioning correctly, when the problem was with the car itself.

 

The gates were out of service for most of the fall of '21, and part of the winter while repairs were being done.

[lifty4ever]

Which proposed new surface route/surface route change are you most looking forward to for when line 5 opens? For me, the 158 Trethewey will be a neat route connecting the Trethewey neighborhood with the shopping complex at Weston and 401. It would also give me a second option when wanting to travel to line 5 alongside the 35 Jane

[MK78]

Is the Crosstown still on track to open this year? Have there been any recent announcements with a firm date?

[GTAmissions1]

Just now, MK78 said:

Is the Crosstown still on track to open this year? Have there been any recent announcements with a firm date?

No firm date has been announced. The current answer is "we are working with the contractor for substantial completion by the end of 2022."

After substantial completion, TTC does their own testing for a certain period of time to ensure that everything is working along with a contingency plan for service disruptions. Currently, there is no new info or updates at this time. 

[MK78]

15 minutes ago, GTAmissions1 said:

No firm date has been announced. The current answer is "we are working with the contractor for substantial completion by the end of 2022."

After substantial completion, TTC does their own testing for a certain period of time to ensure that everything is working along with a contingency plan for service disruptions. Currently, there is no new info or updates at this time. 

Yeah I've been hearing Crosstown testing chatter on the TTC radio for many months... But I guess there's still no firm date. Is the Yonge/Eglinton station still the major issue?

I found this article/video from late August, and it looks like its still a long way to go, especially Eglinton Station.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/08/19/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-toronto-transit-opening/

[J. Hollingsworth]

10 hours ago, MK78 said:

Yeah I've been hearing Crosstown testing chatter on the TTC radio for many months... But I guess there's still no firm date. Is the Yonge/Eglinton station still the major issue?

I found this article/video from late August, and it looks like its still a long way to go, especially Eglinton Station.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/08/19/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-toronto-transit-opening/

I’d assume so, Yonge and Eglinton has barely broken above ground level on the main station entrance.

id be okay with them opening the station without that entrance open, but only if it was safe. I’d assume that would cause major station congestion though, so there may be some reluctance to do that

[lip]

The Crosstown line wont be open until at early 2023 at the earliest. Metrolinx and Crosslinx havent announced any updates on that late 2022 date, but realistically that's what we're looking at.

[smallspy]

23 hours ago, J. Hollingsworth said:

I’d assume so, Yonge and Eglinton has barely broken above ground level on the main station entrance.

id be okay with them opening the station without that entrance open, but only if it was safe. I’d assume that would cause major station congestion though, so there may be some reluctance to do that

Construction above the ground level has been happening for many months at Yonge. The main entrance steelwork has been done for a couple of weeks, and they've even started framing the new YMCA building.

 

However, the station is still a long way aways from being ready. They've only started backfilling the excavation, and I can't see them allowing that kind of construction to be done with the line in service below.

 

Dan

[lifty4ever]

On 9/11/2022 at 10:35 AM, J. Hollingsworth said:

I’d assume so, Yonge and Eglinton has barely broken above ground level on the main station entrance.

id be okay with them opening the station without that entrance open, but only if it was safe. I’d assume that would cause major station congestion though, so there may be some reluctance to do that

Unrelated but how did you make those destination signs?

[Cityflyer]

Statement regarding the Eglinton Crosstown LRT - Metrolinx News

[Coolibop]

Cbc has anonymous source claiming 1 year delay

[MK78]

I guess we have the answer now, though another year is tough to swallow.

[Shaun]

So will Finch West open before crosstown?

[GTAmissions1]

Here is the CBC link citing the one year delay: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-behind-schedule-metrolinx-1.6593957

1 hour ago, MK78 said:

I guess we have the answer now, though another year is tough to swallow.

Especially when the delays are tied to building the underground stations especially with Eglinton Station. Having to try and work while service is moving and doing weekend closures when required. Being more complex than building at ground stations.

49 minutes ago, Shaun said:

So will Finch West open before crosstown?

Assuming there are no problems with the underground portion at Humber. Most of the stations are street level, so there will be minimal problems. 

Especially when Line 5 was supposed to open in 2020. It feels further out of reach every time the deadline comes closer for Line 5. 

[Orion V]

Might as well wait for Line 6 and do a double opening while closing Line 3 at the same time.

[Gil]

21 hours ago, Orion V said:

Might as well wait for Line 6 and do a double opening while closing Line 3 at the same time.

If Line 6 winds up opening before Line 5 will they need to renumber them?  (Not sure if I'm being sarcastic here!)  Or will Metrolinx manufacture a delay to ensure they are opened sequentially seeing as all the signage has essentially been finalized?

[Ber]

1 minute ago, Gil said:

If Line 6 winds up opening before Line 5 will they need to renumber them?  (Not sure if I'm being sarcastic here!)  Or will Metrolinx manufacture a delay to ensure they are opened sequentially seeing as all the signage has essentially been finalized?

no way theyll renumber regardless of timing. the marketing is all there and as youve said the signage... dates dont affect the designations

[2044]

1 hour ago, Gil said:

If Line 6 winds up opening before Line 5 will they need to renumber them?  (Not sure if I'm being sarcastic here!)  Or will Metrolinx manufacture a delay to ensure they are opened sequentially seeing as all the signage has essentially been finalized?

Won’t be any point. We won’t have a Line 3 for a few years, either. Presumably that will be assigned to the Ontario Line when it opens.

[Orion V]

25 minutes ago, 2044 said:

Won’t be any point. We won’t have a Line 3 for a few years, either. Presumably that will be assigned to the Ontario Line when it opens.

Let's hope they will reuse Line 3 for the Ontario Line unlike STM where they just skipped it with its spiritual successor REM not having a Line number.

[2044]

27 minutes ago, Orion V said:

Let's hope they will reuse Line 3 for the Ontario Line unlike STM where they just skipped it with its spiritual successor REM not having a Line number.

TTC’s design team seems to indicate that’s the plan. But who know, the Province might make their own decision.

 

[Shaun]

According to this blogTO article, these TBM's have been digging since spring and have made almost 1.5km of tunneling progress. 

Thats not a lot of progress for 6 months of work. 

https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/10/crosstown-extension-makes-swift-progress-toronto-waits-first-phase-open/

[Mike]

5 minutes ago, Shaun said:

According to this blogTO article, these TBM's have been digging since spring and have made almost 1.5km of tunneling progress. 

Thats not a lot of progress for 6 months of work. 

https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/10/crosstown-extension-makes-swift-progress-toronto-waits-first-phase-open/

1582m + 865m = 2445m or almost 2.5km not too bad.   Total tunnel length for each tunnel is 5.4km so they are done almost 25% of the tunnel.  If this pace continues tunnels will be done by the end of 2024.