Eglinton Crosstown line

[smallspy]

3 hours ago, Someguy3071 said:

But this is a Metrolinx project and its up to them as to how long they run testing before going live. Seeing how completion has been so delayed I wouldn't be surprised if they try to rush it into service. 

I have no doubts that there will be problems and service will be down at some point. When that happens and TTC has to provide shuttle service will Metrolinx be compensating TTC for the expense? 

The TTC has the ultimate say over the day-to-day operations of the line. That has been pretty clearly spelled out in the contract with Metrolinx.

 

If the TTC says that it needs two board periods before launching the service, it will get two board periods.

 

Dan

[Xtrazsteve]

5 hours ago, Someguy3071 said:

I have no doubts that there will be problems and service will be down at some point. When that happens and TTC has to provide shuttle service will Metrolinx be compensating TTC for the expense? 

Since TTC is keeping the fares, they are responsible for sending out shuttles. So it’ll probably be in line with other lines. Meaning emergency shuttles never show up.

[nfitz]

4 hours ago, smallspy said:

If the TTC says that it needs two board periods before launching the service, it will get two board periods.

But, but ... Ottawa LRT only needed 12 days!

    

[John Oke]

19 minutes ago, nfitz said:

But, but ... Ottawa LRT only needed 12 days!

    

And look how that turned out, 2 derailments within weeks of each other and the line being shut down for a few months 

[smallspy]

9 hours ago, nfitz said:

But, but ... Ottawa LRT only needed 12 days!

    

You're confusing the two things.

 

The TTC does not need to operate that time without trouble. In fact, they prefer if they have some things go wrong - it give them a chance to practice the various scenarios that they have to come up for service resumption. What it does do though, it provide staff with the opportunity to see how the line will operate during its various modes, as well as finally give the equipment an intensive test to ensure that it does work (and when it doesn't, how will it fail).

 

The Ottawa test was a pretty foolish one. They needed to run the system for quite some time before that in order to debug it. That 12 day period is supposed to be the very last step of the testing and commissioning process - not the beginning of it.

 

Dan

[nfitz]

17 hours ago, John Oke said:

And look how that turned out, 2 derailments within weeks of each other and the line being shut down for a few months 

Gosh ... how many smileys do I have to put that I'm laughing at Ottawa - if not died laughing!

 

8 hours ago, smallspy said:

You're confusing the two things.

Mostly I'm poking fun at Ottawa, and trying to point out an example of not doing enough testing. Perhaps I needed more smileys 

[T3G]

Toronto's Eglinton Crosstown LRT opening may not happen next year

[Cityflyer]

See time-lapse video of Crosstown light rail vehicles moving along Toronto route | Metrolinx News

[drum118]

Dec 7

Caught 6260 + 6262 MU at Birchmount Station waiting to test Kennedy Station. More up on my Flickr site

[Cityflyer]

Metrolinx, Infrastructure Ontario and Crosslinx Transit Solutions settle COVID and technical claims as Eglinton Crosstown Line moves forward | Metrolinx News

[lifty4ever]

The center median at Eglinton and Keelesdale Road (Not to be confused with Keelesdale station) has been cut away at the intersection which allows buses to enter and exit Mount Dennis Station bus terminal to the west and from the east. Prior to this, buses hoping to depart west would've had to head down Photography drive to Black creek. 

[Gil]

I still think the western extension towards Pearson as is is an overspend/overbuild by having the majority of it underground, but here's a piece about the machinery being used to dig said tunnel:

insauga.com: Huge Mississauga tunnel-digging machines now have nicknames

Metrolinx: The names that stuck - winning names for the Eglinton Crosstown West and Scarborough Subway Extension tunnel boring machines revealed

Of course, it being insauga they'd go with the angle that this is a Mississauga project.  Based on the current plans, there isn't even supposed to be a tunnel portion in Mississauga!  The staging area for the line is next to the Renforth Transitway station.

Anyway, the nicknames given to the tunnel-boring machines are Rexy and Renny.  Renny I get with Renforth being one end of the project, Rexy is a bit of a stretch.  If they wanted alliteration sure, but Rexdale seems to be another way to stroke Ford's ego in what's already seen as a pet project of his.  Since Dennis was already used, I guess they could have used Scarlett or Jane?

[STC125]

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[STC125]

Oh and from Twitter. Signal installation has been completed.

https://twitter.com/CrosstownTO/status/1494386931421130756?s=20&t=SfVJPCx4Svh61DmmOSh6YA

[GTAmissions1]

6 hours ago, STC125 said:

Operator recruitment for the Crosstown has begun.

It is only fair that transit operators with the most seniority or want to change divisions get first opportunity of operating the Line 5 and 6 trains. Noticed it is OPTO (one person train operation)  which the operator will have to manually walk from one end to the other at terminus stations or certain points if needed to turn back.

A two year commitment required to ensure enough operators are available to operate Line 5.

[Xtrazsteve]

1 hour ago, GTAmissions1 said:

It is only fair that transit operators with the most seniority or want to change divisions get first opportunity of operating the Line 5 and 6 trains. Noticed it is OPTO (one person train operation)  which the operator will have to manually walk from one end to the other at terminus stations or certain points if needed to turn back.

A two year commitment required to ensure enough operators are available to operate Line 5.

Trains are only 60m long for Line 5 and 48m streetcars for Line 6. I don't see this is as big as an issue compare to those 140m TR trains.

[MRD10]

On 2/19/2022 at 5:43 AM, STC125 said:

I appreciate how the TTC has decided to title the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility (EMSF) as a unique name instead!

I feel Black Creek Division is a far better suited name than EMSF, which could be confused with Comstock Division or Old Egli.

[nfitz]

On 2/19/2022 at 2:13 PM, Xtrazsteve said:

Trains are only 60m long for Line 5 and 48m streetcars for Line 6. I don't see this is as big as an issue compare to those 140m TR trains.

Not to mention the 330 metre long GO trains - which is quite frustrating after they miss the platform at Union, and you have to wait 5 minutes for them to reverse 10 feet.

[Xtrazsteve]

4 hours ago, MRD10 said:

I appreciate how the TTC has decided to title the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility (EMSF) as a unique name instead!

I feel Black Creek Division is a far better suited name than EMSF, which could be confused with Comstock Division or Old Egli.

They are following suit with naming it with the cross street. It’s Greenwood not Danforth. Wilson not Allen or Spadina. McCowan not Scarborough. Davisville not Yonge. 
 

 

[Someguy3071]

On 2/19/2022 at 5:43 AM, STC125 said:

Operator recruitment for the Crosstown has begun.

If you're an employee, you shouldn't be posting internal documents online. 

[TTC103]

On 2/19/2022 at 8:13 PM, Xtrazsteve said:

Trains are only 60m long for Line 5 and 48m streetcars for Line 6. I don't see this is as big as an issue compare to those 140m TR trains.

There’s no issue with a 140m or 220m train either. Trams are regularly run in MU configuration with one person.

[81-717]

On 2/20/2022 at 7:28 PM, Xtrazsteve said:

They are following suit with naming it with the cross street. It’s Greenwood not Danforth. Wilson not Allen or Spadina. McCowan not Scarborough. Davisville not Yonge.

Most subway stations use the same naming convention, and rightfully so (i.e. Bloor, Yonge). Meanwhile a lot of GO stations are named using the opposite convention (specifically Danforth, Eglinton & Kennedy come to mind, since the alignment of those stations is pretty much parallel to the streets they're named after; it would be as if a station on the Yonge line were named Yonge).

[T3G]

6 minutes ago, 81-717 said:

Most subway stations use the same naming convention, and rightfully so (i.e. Bloor, Yonge). Meanwhile a lot of GO stations are named using the opposite convention (specifically Danforth, Eglinton & Kennedy come to mind, since the alignment of those stations is pretty much parallel to the streets they're named after; it would be as if a station on the Yonge line was named Yonge).

The Lakeshore East line runs at an angle though. It's not like there are any other stations on that line along Danforth or Eglinton Avenues.

Kennedy I'm assuming was chosen because of its proximity to Kennedy station being a much more useful point of navigation than Eglinton Avenue. Besides, what else would they have called it, Eglinton West?

That being said, the existence of Scarborough as the name of one station out of 7 in the borough makes me wonder if there was any kind of naming convention at all...

[81-717]

On 2/21/2022 at 9:19 PM, T3G said:

The Lakeshore East line runs at an angle though. It's not like there are any other stations on that line along Danforth or Eglinton Avenues.

That is true, although it still crosses Danforth & Eglinton at a much shallower angle than it crosses Main st or McCowan rd, so while it does make some sense to name the stations Danforth & Eglinton, it would've made more sense to name them Main & McCowan (though I suppose one could make the argument, at least in the case of Danforth, that it should be named after the nearest busiest street, which would be Danforth rather than Main).

On 2/21/2022 at 9:19 PM, T3G said:

Kennedy I'm assuming was chosen because of its proximity to Kennedy station being a much more useful point of navigation than Eglinton Avenue.

True, but it's also important to keep in mind that that stretch of the GO line runs exactly parallel to Kennedy rd, so calling any station along that portion of the line Kennedy would be akin to having a Yonge station on the Yonge line (or a Bloor station on the Bloor line). Especially if & when they build additional stations at Kennedy/Lawrence & Kennedy/Finch with the intent of naming them Lawrence-Kennedy & Finch-Kennedy, it will make most sense to rename the existing Kennedy station to Eglinton-Kennedy.

On 2/21/2022 at 9:19 PM, T3G said:

Besides, what else would they have called it, Eglinton West?

The way I see it, Kennedy would've been called Eglinton, or Eglinton-Kennedy (see above), whereas the current Eglinton station would be called either McCowan or perhaps Eglinton East to emphasize how far east along Eglinton it is located (see also: Etobicoke North & Barrie South, both of which have North or South in their names despite there not being any other stations called Etobicoke or Barrie).

On 2/21/2022 at 9:19 PM, T3G said:

That being said, the existence of Scarborough as the name of one station out of 7 in the borough makes me wonder if there was any kind of naming convention at all...

I agree with you on that, that's another one that's been somewhat unsettling to me. I always thought that, if the preceding & following stations were called Danforth & Eglinton respectively, then Scarborough should've been called St. Clair. And indeed, there are several other GO stations in Scarborough, and if one of them were to be named after the borough itself, it should've been one closest to the core of Scarborough (STC), which would be Agincourt since only GO buses go directly to STC. Hell, I'd sooner if Kennedy were named Scarborough rather than the station in the St. Clair / Midland area, since Kennedy is 1 of 2 major transportation hubs in Scarborough (the other being STC), whereas St. Clair / Midland is kind-of "in the middle of nowhere".

Edited February 27, 2022 by 81-717

[MRD10]

1 hour ago, T3G said:

That being said, the existence of Scarborough as the name of one station out of 7 in the borough makes me wonder if there was any kind of naming convention at all...

I think it has something to do with historical name retention. For instance, this could've been the first and only station in Scarborough for a long period of time, so it makes sense to why it was denoted Scarborough instead of a particular road name, where at the time, may could not have been set.