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To sum up the vehicle deliveries to the east end for testing:

6252 delivered on May 25

6254 delivered on May 26

6256 delivered on May 27

6255 delivered on May 31

6244 delivered on June 1

6246 delivered on June 2

Cars 6252, 6256 & 6244 were delivered with the A end facing west and the B end facing east.

Cars 6254, 6255 & 6246 were delivered with the opposite orientation - meaning that these three latter cars were driven "backwards" from the offloading area at Rosemount to the storage area at Laird.

All six cars are currently stored in the underground area west of Leslie Street.

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Why do all the at grade level stops have MBTA-like logos on them instead of TTC logos?  The MBTA logo (pictured here) is a black T in a white circle outlined in black, whereas what’s on the stops here in Toronto is the reverse - a white T in a black circle.

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4 minutes ago, TTC7447 said:

Why do all the at grade level stops have MBTA-like logos on them instead of TTC logos?  The MBTA logo (pictured here) is a black T in a white circle outlined in black, whereas what’s on the stops here in Toronto is the reverse - a white T in a black circle.

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I’m assuming that is the case because TTC is not the service provider. TTC will provide operators to the line, but ultimately Metrolinx is providing the service

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50 minutes ago, bus_7246 said:

I’m assuming that is the case because TTC is not the service provider. TTC will provide operators to the line, but ultimately Metrolinx is providing the service

It’s metrolinx’ Universal symbol of Transit for any metrolinx built project going forward.

it’s meant to be the roundle of the GTHA.

Metrolinx is also working with municipal transit agencies to implement their wayfinding practices, pilots that incorporated local agencies include Finch GO terminal, Pickering Parkway Terminal, and Hamilton GO Centre

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1 hour ago, 110B West Pickering said:

It’s metrolinx’ Universal symbol of Transit for any metrolinx built project going forward.

I find it hilarious that they basically copied the MTBA logo and switched the black and white around.  Lazy and irresponsible on their part if you ask me.

And confusing from the perspective of a passenger who doesn’t know that this is a Metrolinx owned & operated line.

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11 hours ago, TTC7447 said:

And confusing from the perspective of a passenger who doesn’t know that this is a Metrolinx owned & operated line.

Is it laziness and plagiarism? Sure.

But how is it confusing?

-Stand at stop.

-train comes. 
 

-get on train.

-tap card, card goes beep.

Nobody cares what logo is over the doorway.

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12 hours ago, TTC7447 said:

Confusing from the perspective of a passenger who doesn’t know that this is a Metrolinx owned & operated line.

Consideing the Metrolinx Logo is on each of the station posts, and, it gets a bigger logo than the ttc does on the trains, I assume most people will eventually get it.

the Goal is that the T logo will eventually be on every piece of Transit infrastructure in the GTHA.

I like the former Chevrons of the pilot, the T is just meh, but I wouldn’t say they copied any one agency, there’s a number of agencies that use a T to symbolize Transit, MTBA and Vancouver at just two examples. It’s a T, it’s not like were putting up “metropolitan” signs outside our stations and Roundells on our buses.

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15 hours ago, bus_7246 said:

TTC will provide operators to the line, but ultimately Metrolinx is providing the service

This is not quite completely correct.

 

Metrolinx will own the line, and be in charge of all facilities maintenance for the first 30 years of operation - which they have handed over to the Crosslinx consortium.

 

But EVERYTHING to do with operation - day-to-day upkeep, service levels, supervision, not to mention operators - will be handled by the TTC. For all intents and purposes, this is a TTC line - just not owned by them.

 

Dan

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2 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

the Goal is that the T logo will eventually be on every piece of Transit infrastructure in the GTHA.

Which means that individual line signage will be even more important, to separate a grade-separated rapid transit line from a bus shelter or a jitney.

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On 6/18/2021 at 7:32 PM, 110B West Pickering said:

It’s metrolinx’ Universal symbol of Transit for any metrolinx built project going forward.

it’s meant to be the roundle of the GTHA.

Metrolinx is also working with municipal transit agencies to implement their wayfinding practices, pilots that incorporated local agencies include Finch GO terminal, Pickering Parkway Terminal, and Hamilton GO Centre

Given all that, it’s a shame they settled for something so mediocre.

I guess Hollywood isn’t the only place an original idea would die of loneliness.

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With the 60 Flexity Outlook models just ordered, does it mean the Flexity Freedom line is secured even with Alstom taking over Bombardier?

Do future orders of Line 5 for 2030 and ION plus Valley line still needs to use this model due to their MSF built to this model's specs. Or can they order the Citadis Spirit with the 30m length configuration?

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5 hours ago, Orion V said:

With the 60 Flexity Outlook models just ordered, does it mean the Flexity Freedom line is secured even with Alstom taking over Bombardier?

Do future orders of Line 5 for 2030 and ION plus Valley line still needs to use this model due to their MSF built to this model's specs. Or can they order the Citadis Spirit with the 30m length configuration?

The Citadis Spirit can be modified to be 30 meters depending on configuration. Noting that the Bombardier Flexity Freedom is 30.2 meters.

Assuming the extension of Line 5 goes through and that is not an option order more Flexity Freedom cars, then they would most likely put out a tender if there is another company that can fulfill the requirement before sole sourcing to Alstom for additional vehicles. Considering the cost of maintaining two fleets is pretty expensive along with having a different set of parts for each vehicle depending on their design. 

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12 hours ago, Orion V said:

With the 60 Flexity Outlook models just ordered, does it mean the Flexity Freedom line is secured even with Alstom taking over Bombardier?

I would not assume that. The discussions for that order started before the final Alstom cut-over, so it would have made more sense for them to just continue along that line of discussion and build a car that they already know to build - even if they didn't design it.

 

It will take several years to fully integrate Bombardier's various product lines into the Alstom roster. And there will have to be a couple of divestments in that.

 

12 hours ago, Orion V said:

Do future orders of Line 5 for 2030 and ION plus Valley line still needs to use this model due to their MSF built to this model's specs. Or can they order the Citadis Spirit with the 30m length configuration?

There's no guarantee that the next set of vehicles for either line resemble anything being built today. Yes, the 30 meter length will be a requirement, but it's also been a kind of defacto standard for some time as well.

 

But keep in mind too, that these lines were built with far more standardization in mind, and so aren't required to be operated by any one particular style or manufacturer of vehicle. The next order of vehicles may come from a manufacturer that we've never seen before on this side of the Atlantic - or Pacific.

 

Dan

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13 hours ago, Orion V said:

Do future orders of Line 5 for 2030 and ION plus Valley line still needs to use this model due to their MSF built to this model's specs. Or can they order the Citadis Spirit with the 30m length configuration?

Alstom/ Bomarbardier did make the short list for Valley Line West LRV procurement, so, there is no specific "need" at all for the Flexity out of Edmonton. 

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On 6/25/2021 at 3:32 PM, Gil said:

The TTC is seeking the public's input for their 2022 Service Plan which includes the route restructurings as a result of the opening of the 5 EGLINTON Line.  Here's the map of the Eglinton corridor with the affected routes:

Map of new or revised routes

You can visit the survey site for more details and to submit feedback on the individual route changes.

These posters are starting to appear at bus stops along the 54 (this one was at Lawrence Ave E & Curlew) asking for the same thing, however, the QR code does not seem to lead you to the right place or someone forgot to activate/link the right survey.

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23 hours ago, TTC7447 said:

These posters are starting to appear at bus stops along the 54 (this one was at Lawrence Ave E & Curlew) asking for the same thing, however, the QR code does not seem to lead you to the right place or someone forgot to activate/link the right survey.

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The link to the survey works now. I completed it a few minutes ago.

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On 8/19/2021 at 6:22 PM, TTC7447 said:

These posters are starting to appear at bus stops along the 54 (this one was at Lawrence Ave E & Curlew) asking for the same thing, however, the QR code does not seem to lead you to the right place or someone forgot to activate/link the right survey.

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If anyone has any strong feelings about this that can’t be expressed through this survey, there’s now a town hall being organized:

 

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7 hours ago, TTC7447 said:

If anyone has any strong feelings about this that can’t be expressed through this survey, there’s now a town hall being organized:

 

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They really need public input. Internet survey only reached certain groups. The poor and elderly are usually left out. That’s what town halls tries to fill in.

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