Eglinton Crosstown line

[Orion V]

Will Line 5 and 6 have transit priority signals for the trains that will actually be ON giving the trains advantage at intersections during operation? Or will they be implemented in the OFF state like on 509/510/512 because the city didn't want to give streetcars in these routes priority over cars.

[nfitz]

2 hours ago, Articulated said:

... As for that map, it's a mockup from 5 years ago that some junior-level staffer created in Photoshop to mock up the proposed station names.

That's a lot of words, that ignore that TTC is branding Line 4 as subway - to this day. For example the current (October 2020) Subway and Streetcar map. http://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Maps/TTC_SubwayStreetcarMap.pdf Not to mention the Ride Guide 

Line 4 is shown as Subway. And Line 5 looks much more like a subway at most stations.

You might not like the way it's branded. But that's how it is, and that's what the public are going to call it - when they aren't calling it a streetcar, having virtually the same vehicles.

[Xtrazsteve]

Subways are higher capacity trunk lines for carrying riders across the city, streetcars are lower capacity local lines for short travel.

We'll find out if LRT would become a regular terminology in Toronto.

[wil9402]

3 hours ago, Orion V said:

Will Line 5 and 6 have transit priority signals for the trains that will actually be ON giving the trains advantage at intersections during operation? Or will they be implemented in the OFF state like on 509/510/512 because the city didn't want to give streetcars in these routes priority over cars.

Older Metrolinx Crosstown documents mention that it will have signal priority. However, I believe the city came out a few months ago and said that signal priority for the Line 5 would be limited (similar to the streetcar ROWs). Ultimately, it is up to the city since they run the traffic signals. I assume whatever is done on Line 5 will be the same for Line 6.

1 hour ago, nfitz said:

That's a lot of words, that ignore that TTC is branding Line 4 as subway - to this day. For example the current (October 2020) Subway and Streetcar map. http://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Maps/TTC_SubwayStreetcarMap.pdf Not to mention the Ride Guide 

Line 4 is shown as Subway. And Line 5 looks much more like a subway at most stations.

You might not like the way it's branded. But that's how it is, and that's what the public are going to call it - when they aren't calling it a streetcar, having virtually the same vehicles.

Line 4 is a subway... the Sheppard Line. Line 3 is the Scarborough RT, or the "Scarborough Line" as it's called now. Personally, I think they just use the term subway for simplicity. It's easier to understand than calling them Rapid Transit lines.

[nfitz]

1 hour ago, wil9402 said:

Personally, I think they just use the term subway for simplicity. It's easier to understand than calling them Rapid Transit lines.

Bingo. Meanwhile there's more Underground that's overground than underground. And parts of the Overground are underground.

And though Line 3 might be a subway ... I keep telling my kids it's a Skytrain.

[smallspy]

12 hours ago, Articulated said:

The terminology of "subway", at least in the Toronto context, is particular to the technology used.

In the Toronto context, a subway - historically - was a passageway located underneath another, crossing, passageway. Queen St. W. underneath the railway tracks near Dufferin is referred to as a subway. The Glen Rd. pedestrian tunnel under Bloor St. E. is a subway.

 

So to state categorically that the term is particular to the technology? I completely disagree.

 

Especially since prior to the opening of the line the technology used on the Eglinton line will not have been used in Toronto at all, so there is no historic precedence.

 

For the record, the Eglinton line will be a "subway" - and at the same time it won't be, either. When it is underground it is as much of a subway as either of the three existing heavy-rail systems used in Toronto, featuring floor-level loading, full grade separation, a full signaling system, emergency exits and other ancillary devices for keeping the public safe. Trains will stop at each station regardless of whether people are waiting for that station or not. It is as much of a subway as the SRT, if not more of one.

 

On the surface however, it will behave more like an LRT the likes of which we have on St. Clair, Spadina and the Harbourfront. Partial traffic separation, the use of traffic signals rather than its own discrete signal system, and stop-on-demand are all things that we've seen on the other lines already operating in Toronto. Yes, the vehicles will be different - but their operation here will not be.

 

Dan

[MK78]

On 11/11/2020 at 2:00 AM, nfitz said:

And though Line 3 might be a subway ... I keep telling my kids it's a Skytrain.

It is at the Scarborough Town Centre & McCowan stations! :D

[J. Hollingsworth]

1 hour ago, MK78 said:

It is at the Scarborough Town Centre & McCowan stations!

And Midland!

[Flalex72]

On 11/11/2020 at 9:29 AM, smallspy said:

In the Toronto context, a subway - historically - was a passageway located underneath another, crossing, passageway. Queen St. W. underneath the railway tracks near Dufferin is referred to as a subway. The Glen Rd. pedestrian tunnel under Bloor St. E. is a subway.

My grandmother grew up near Weston Road and the Humber River, and refers to the railway bridge there as a "subway". Having grown up in Northern Ontario, it takes me a moment to figure out what she means when she mentions it.

[Orion V]

Look at this video. At 14:25min.

They're installing the service stops with the Line 5 logo in pink instead of orange.

[TTC1700]

2 hours ago, Orion V said:

Look at this video. At 14:25min.

They're installing the service stops with the Line 5 logo in pink instead of orange.

It's orange in person. Notice the lack of saturation on the red of the LFS in the background and the fact that it's a cloudy day.

[MK78]

This is vehicle testing video

 

 

[John Oke]

came across this video today of what appears to be two people trespassing into Crosstown Tunnels, can’t tell where along the line 

[GTAmissions1]

An infographic regarding testing of the light rail vehicles. 600 kilometres of simulated service which is similar to the streetcars which also have to pass through the same amount of distance without failures before giving final acceptance. If a major issue is found within that 600 kilometres, the issue must be addressed and the clock resets.

75 percent of the track has been installed. It will take a while before all the track and overhead is installed for full testing of the cars. 

 

[GTAmissions1]

All surface level station shelters have been installed. Sloane (just before Victoria Park) is just awaiting final touches per this tweet attached here. 

 

[GTAmissions1]

Progress update for Eglinton Station (Eglinton/Yonge) has been posted: 

 

[drum118]

 

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On May 3, 2021, the overhead catenary system (OCS) between Laird Drive and Kennedy Road will be energized. Once energized the OCS cables are electrified and dangerous if encountered. It is never safe to go near the OCS. Please obey signage and stay away from all overhead cables.

The OCS installed above the LRT tracks and powers the Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs). Power is delivered from traction power substations located along the alignment to the LRVs via the OCS cables.

 

 

[MRD10]

Powering up Eglinton East

From the blog, and a few twitter posts I have read, my understanding is 6 LRV's will be trucked to the eastern overground portion of Crosstown. But where will the be loaded off to? Was the Crosstown designed to accommodate an loading in this portion? Where will they be stored? 

[Bus_Medic]

36 minutes ago, MRD10 said:

Powering up Eglinton East

From the blog, and a few twitter posts I have read, my understanding is 6 LRV's will be trucked to the eastern overground portion of Crosstown. But where will the be loaded off to? Was the Crosstown designed to accommodate an loading in this portion? Where will they be stored? 

These guy do this stuff daily.

https://www.andersonhaulage.com/our-fleet/

As for storage, I guess inside the portals at Kennedy or Don Mills, maybe even a temporary tent structure anywhere along the line. They used them to finish stations in inclement weather, they could also string a couple together to park a train in.

[nfitz]

1 minute ago, Bus_Medic said:

As for storage, I guess inside the portals at Kennedy or Don Mills, maybe even a temporary tent structure anywhere along the line.

In the portal west of Leslie it would seem.
 

 

[Doppelkupplung]

On 5/10/2021 at 8:31 PM, Bus_Medic said:

These guy do this stuff daily.

https://www.andersonhaulage.com/our-fleet/

As for storage, I guess inside the portals at Kennedy or Don Mills, maybe even a temporary tent structure anywhere along the line. They used them to finish stations in inclement weather, they could also string a couple together to park a train in.

I can’t even imagine what a move like that would cost per set.

[Bus_Medic]

1 hour ago, Doppelkupplung said:

I can’t even imagine what a move like that would cost per set.

@Ten grand.

[Doppelkupplung]

[Bus_Medic]

7 hours ago, Doppelkupplung said:

Paltry sum compared to late penalties from delayed testing and acceptance.

[drum118]

Light Rail Vehicle Delivery and Testing between Laird Dr. and Kennedy Rd.

May - December 2021

Starting May 25, six (6) Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs) will be moved from the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility (EMSF) to the LRT tracks (guideway) at Rosemount Dr. via truck transport. The LRVs will be delivered one at a time, on May 25, 26, 27, 31 and June 1 and 2.  Once delivered, The LRVs will be connected to the overhead catenary system which powers the vehicles via traction power substations located along the alignment.  The LRVs will then travel west at a slow rate of speed to the underground storage area.  For the first LRV, crews will walk with the vehicle to validate clearnaces between the vehicle and LRT infrastructure. A Paid Duty Officer will be present as the LRV passes through each intersection.

What to Expect Vehicle Delivery LRVs will be delivered to Rosemount Dr. and Eglinton Ave. E. via transport truck.  Eglinton Ave. will be reduced to one westbound through lane and one westbound right turn lane east of Rosemount Dr., and one eastbound through lane and one shared eastbound through-right turn lane west of Rosemount Dr. while the LRVs are offloaded.

LRV Route Map

LRV Off-Loading

Testing and Commissioning    Testing and commissioning will take place in three phases beginning June 2021:    Clearance and static testing will take place in June and includes a walking inspection of LRVs operating between 0 – 5km/hr Dynamic testing will take place from July to September and includes testing coupled vehicles, increased speed testing, brake tests, concurrent vehicle testing, and communications and signal systems testing  TTC Driver Training will follow and includes operational training for TTC personnel who will be responsible for operating the LRT once it is in service.    The OCS is energized. At 750v this means the cables are electrified and dangerous if encountered. It is never safe to go near the overhead cables.   The LRVs will cross traffic lanes at intersections between Leslie St. and Kennedy Rd. following dedicated transit signals. Drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians must continue to follow the existing traffic signals and signage and stay alert to where and when left turns and U turns are and are not permitted.

Hours of Work LRV delivery will take place on May 25, 26, 27, 31 and June 1 and 2, 2021 Clearance and Static Testing will take place in June 2021 Dynamic Testing will take place from July to September 2021. Testing will take place between 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Monday through Friday. Work may be rescheduled due to weather conditions or unforeseen circumstances. The contractor may not always work during the permitted hours but may do so at its discretion. This work may take longer or shorter than expected.   Traffic Details Lane closures will be in effect on at Eglinton Ave at Rosemount Dr. on May 25, 26, 27, 31 and June 1 and 2, to accommodate LRV delivery. There are no traffic changes associated with phases 1,2 or 3 of testing Nine (9) left turn prohibitions are already in effect along Eglinton Ave. E. between Laird Dr. and Kennedy Rd. as part of the final traffic configuration of Eglinton Ave. to accommodate the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. Emergency vehicle access on Eglinton Ave. and cross-streets will be maintained. North and South bound through movements will be prohibited at Eglinton Ave. and Rosemount Dr. during each delivery.  Left-turn movements will be restricted in all directions during each delivery.    Pedestrians and TTC Details There are no changes to existing pedestrian routes or TTC stop locations on Eglinton Ave. between Laird Dr. and Kennedy Rd. for phases 1, 2 or 3 of testing. Obeying transit signals, LRVs will share the right-of-way with pedestrians, drivers and cyclists at intersections Other Impacts Due to the nature of this work, at times there will be noise around the work area.