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Ed T.

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1 minute ago, smallspy said:

YRT absolutely owns its own buses. That's why they're able to be transferred from contractor to contractor upon the completion of a contract.

Oops! Well, one way to learn a correct fact is to post the wrong one on the internets.

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Ed T.

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Just now, Gil said:

It's a BlogTO story, but other media have reported it as well.  Doug Ford has thrown in some additional money to get the "subway" from Renforth Station to Pearson's new transit hub.  How far along in the process are they in getting it from Mount Dennis to Renforth first?

It's GTAA, not Doug, who ponied up the cash, when I read that article.

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31 minutes ago, Ed T. said:

It's GTAA, not Doug, who ponied up the cash, when I read that article.

I probably should have read the article, but friend who was at the press conference (for a completely different reason) told me that Ford seemed to be taking the credit for it.  Ford is calling it a subway extension in his tweet (and the media are going with it; don't know if the press release was worded that way), so he's already misrepresented the truth.

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Xtrazsteve

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5 hours ago, Gil said:

I probably should have read the article, but friend who was at the press conference (for a completely different reason) told me that Ford seemed to be taking the credit for it.  Ford is calling it a subway extension in his tweet (and the media are going with it; don't know if the press release was worded that way), so he's already misrepresented the truth.

In his defense, he did committed to paying for the Mt Dennis to Renforth stretch while Wynne refused to spend a single penny and let TO pay for it. This made a subway alignment more supportable when cash is available vs being funded from the empty city pot. As much as we dislike Ford, this project is a small step closer to being built.

Some can argue that the city had some initial planning and EA is completed but without funds (aside from some SmartTrack funds from the feds), that is going nowhere.

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13 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

In his defense, he did committed to paying for the Mt Dennis to Renforth stretch while Wynne refused to spend a single penny and let TO pay for it. This made a subway alignment more supportable when cash is available vs being funded from the empty city pot. As much as we dislike Ford, this project is a small step closer to being built.

That ignores that total Provincial spending under Ford is down - this is being done by stretching out the timeframe on already committed funding, such as deferring the Scarborough Extension and Sheppard East LRT by years, and all but cancelling the province's commitment to SmartTrack and new stations.

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21 hours ago, nfitz said:

That ignores that total Provincial spending under Ford is down - this is being done by stretching out the timeframe on already committed funding, such as deferring the Scarborough Extension and Sheppard East LRT by years, and all but cancelling the province's commitment to SmartTrack and new stations.

We’ve seen this movie before.

Remember how Dalton McGuinty yanked $4 billion out of Transit City close to the start and said that it would come later in a second phase, then slowed down the rate of spending and build on the part that remained funded?   Remember the announcements that David Miller recorded and had playing on the PA system in the subway stations that started off with “Transit City was our plan to...” in response to this?

I guess paying big money to cancel windmills is the followup to the paying big money to cancel natural gas fired power plants, so that movie’s got a sequel too.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.   Ontariariariariario, a place too bland, a place too slow!

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1 hour ago, Wayside Observer said:

We’ve seen this movie before.

Remember how Dalton McGuinty yanked $4 billion out of Transit City close to the start and said that it would come later in a second phase, then slowed down the rate of spending and build on the part that remained funded?   Remember the announcements that David Miller recorded and had playing on the PA system in the subway stations that started off with “Transit City was our plan to...” in response to this?

I guess paying big money to cancel windmills is the followup to the paying big money to cancel natural gas fired power plants, so that movie’s got a sequel too.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.   Ontariariariariario, a place too bland, a place too slow!

Time and time again. You mention the Liberals and PCs. The NDP did the same too, delaying and extending timeframes on the Sheppard and Eglinton and University extension subway lines to the point, that very little had been done, and were easy to cancel by the next government. Way before that the Miller government quickly cancelled lines that the Davis government had been pushing for when they came to power.

Quite frankly, it's been a whole lot of this since Davis left office. Or perhaps longer, if you want to revisit the various deferments of the Queen subway line in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s ... though at least they were building something at the time.

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Shaun

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11 hours ago, Streety McCarface said:

Most people remotely following the project think this. It's a rapid transit line more complicated than the TYSSE and not all concrete pours are complete. It's very likely going to be delayed. 

I often pass bye the Eastern sections around Kennedy and find the progress slow from week to week. Even with the warm weather, which should help speed things up. 

Not sure why they do some sections first, and leave gaps in-between.

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15 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said:

Up to 6210 has been delivered,

I asked last week on Twitter

So they rushed to delivery the first 6 units (as per the contract) and now slowed it down probably to do the Valley Line order as they are supposed to open before Eglinton.

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On 12/28/2019 at 12:31 PM, Orion V said:

So they rushed to delivery the first 6 units (as per the contract) and now slowed it down probably to do the Valley Line order as they are supposed to open before Eglinton.

Yes.

 

While about a half-dozen or so units have been delivered to Edmonton, there are another 10 or 12 sitting in Milhaven either ready to be shipped or able to be shipped in short order. Metrolinx, on the other hand, only needed the 6 units by last February for the preliminary testing and acceptance of the maintenance facility and some early testing. While there are additional schedule dates that need to be met for that contract, the next one probably isn't until this coming September - the supposed 1 year before opening.

 

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Eglinton Crosstown LRT could be $330 million over budget and open seven months late, internal documents warn

TL;DR:

-This is according to Crosslinx (They anticipate May 2022)

-Metrolinx is still adamant that it will open on schedule in Sept 2021

-One of the major contributing factors to a delayed opening is the repair of caissons (watertight retaining structures part of the Yonge Line) at Eglinton Stn.

-Other factors have been groundwater problems at Avenue Rd and work on a CN bridge at Mt Dennis.

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10 minutes ago, 63 Ossington said:

Eglinton Crosstown LRT could be $330 million over budget and open seven months late, internal documents warn

TL;DR:

-This is according to Crosslinx (They anticipate May 2022)

-Metrolinx is still adamant that it will open on schedule in Sept 2021

-One of the major contributing factors to a delayed opening is the repair of caissons (watertight retaining structures part of the Yonge Line) at Eglinton Stn.

-Other factors have been groundwater problems at Avenue Rd and work on a CN bridge at Mt Dennis.

Uh-oh.

Well then, all they need to do is indulge in some creative accounting to pump that number up even larger like adding 30 years of operating and maintenance costs plus toss in the inflation adjusted cost of building the original Eglinton subway station and the construction and subsequent filling in of the Eglinton West subway along with it's entire allocated budget for good measure to come up with a showstopping cost.  Then book a hotel conference room at the Sheraton Centre across the street from City Hall but have Caroline Mulroney skulk out of the kitchen doors in the back of the building and take off towards Queen's Park with a police escort up University Ave. and leave John Tory to announce the cancellation of the Eglinton LRT.

Doug Ford and Mike Harris can pose for a photo op with shovels and hard hats to dump the ceremonial scoops of dirt into the tunnel before the construction crews begin filling it in.

The Metrolinx people can pull down the Eglinton LRT webpage and replace it with the filler "You'll be excited about what we're building" one that no longer lists the project even though we're all more excited about what they're not building and write each other bonus cheques.

Sound about right?  Life in Ontario.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

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nfitz

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2 hours ago, Orion V said:

What are the limitations they can't phase this line to start the western segment for service instead of having the entire 19km in service in one shot?

The biggest limitation would probably be the complete incompetence of Metrolinx on the legal front - and that it would probably take them about 3 years to negotiate the change order necessary to do that.

So unless the consortium offers it, not an option. Though I suspect the penalties the consortium would receive from Metrolinx by not being able to open the entire line because of an unforeseen problem at Eglinton station would likely be higher than they'd get from operating part of the line with a lower penalty.

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2 hours ago, nfitz said:

The biggest limitation would probably be the complete incompetence of Metrolinx on the legal front - and that it would probably take them about 3 years to negotiate the change order necessary to do that.

So unless the consortium offers it, not an option. Though I suspect the penalties the consortium would receive from Metrolinx by not being able to open the entire line because of an unforeseen problem at Eglinton station would likely be higher than they'd get from operating part of the line with a lower penalty.

I believe the 30 year clock starts ticking once part of the line would be in service meaning ML would get less out of the contract with a partial opening. They would have to definitely renegotiate parts of the contract with big changes.

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