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52 minutes ago, WMATAC40LF said:

The article says: "a test car has been ready since October 2016 but Metrolinx refuses to have it delivered". Why is that? Do they not have a place to test it yet, or is it because of the ongoing legal issues?

There isn't really a place to test it since there's no trackage built for it here, but the test unit is at Bombardier's Kingston test site for now.

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4 hours ago, TechnicaProductions said:

There isn't really a place to test it since there's no trackage built for it here, but the test unit is at Bombardier's Kingston test site for now.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/transportation/bombardier-asks-court-to-stop-metrolinx-from-cancelling-770m-contract-for-182-light-rail-vehicles

This article in the Financial Post seems to indicate that Metrolinx won't have any track to test the prototype vehicle(s) on for another year or two (thats according to Bombardier). 

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The test and 600km burn in track will be between Mount Dennis and Keelesdale station. Those two stations need to be built to have the platforms completed, the bridge across Black Creek is needed as well as a power substation to supply the overhead. It's going to be very busy this year to get this test track up and running. Both of these stations should be near completion in late 2019. Although we can't ride the line till 2021, we should see trains running between these two stations in late 2019 or early 2020. They'll have to burn 600km on the entire fleet before the line opens.

Metrolinx doesn't even have a place to park the LRV right now. 

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6 hours ago, Xtrazsteve said:

The test and 600km burn in track will be between Mount Dennis and Keelesdale station. Those two stations need to be built to have the platforms completed, the bridge across Black Creek is needed as well as a power substation to supply the overhead. It's going to be very busy this year to get this test track up and running. Both of these stations should be near completion in late 2019. Although we can't ride the line till 2021, we should see trains running between these two stations in late 2019 or early 2020. They'll have to burn 600km on the entire fleet before the line opens.

Metrolinx doesn't even have a place to park the LRV right now. 

600 km sounds like a fair burn-in distance. :P

How close is the K-W LRT to having usable sections of track?

And while it's moot now, what if Sheppard East had actually been built on schedule?

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2 hours ago, Ed T. said:

600 km sounds like a fair burn-in distance. :P

How close is the K-W LRT to having usable sections of track?

And while it's moot now, what if Sheppard East had actually been built on schedule?

KW test track between Erb and Northfield has been ready for sometime. In fact, it can go over to Conestoga Mall, but work is still taking place for the Mall station. The word over a week ago that the first car was to show up on Feb 15th and its gone dead now as to when it will show up.

Burn in can be higher than 600 km with a number seeing 1,600 km or more.

If Sheppard East was built as plan, the shit would hit the fan in 2012/13 for everyone.

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On 2017-02-11 at 4:49 PM, Xtrazsteve said:

Did I just see yellow strips and push stop buttons both on the LRVs. If those yellows strips are to be the emergency alarm, I'm afraid lots of people would be confused.

Isn't that the exact same arrangement that the legacy network Flexitys have?

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5 hours ago, TechnicaProductions said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/metrolinx-considering-alternate-supplier-amid-court-battle-with-bombardier-1.4007568

Apparently Metrolinx is in talks with an "unamed manufacturer" for a possible alternative to Bombardier.

From an operations point of view, it makes sense in the long run since you will be able to concentrate them on one or two lines once Finch and (hopefully) Sheppard come online if that matters in the first place.

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5 hours ago, TechnicaProductions said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/metrolinx-considering-alternate-supplier-amid-court-battle-with-bombardier-1.4007568

Apparently Metrolinx is in talks with an "unamed manufacturer" for a possible alternative to Bombardier.

Might be Alstom or Siemens, both are building LRVs for other cities in Canada. Although Bombardier has a bad reputation, the fact that they've opened a new assembly line at Millhaven could speed up the production of the LRVs. 

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58 minutes ago, nfitz said:

I'm starting to think Metrolinx are getting into "there is stuff they don't know that they don't know" territory.

I've thought that for quite a while now. And frankly, it seems to get proven with startling regularity.

 

Dan

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16 hours ago, WMATAC40LF said:

Might be Alstom or Siemens, both are building LRVs for other cities in Canada. Although Bombardier has a bad reputation, the fact that they've opened a new assembly line at Millhaven could speed up the production of the LRVs. 

Metrolinx doesn't have time for another bid. They'll have to hand someone the job which this unidentified manufacture can charge anything they want. I don't see how Metrolinx will get it's first vehicle from another manufacture in time unless they completely strip the Canadian content requirement. Calgary's S200s are built in the States. Alstom doesn't have a plant here. Those trains are assembled on site. Alstom doesn't have a site and heck they can't use the Crosstown yard cause it's under construction by Crosslinx.

Then it gets tricky. Bombardier is contracted through crosslinx to install the signaling system and maintaining the vehicle. Bombardier is known to install three proprietary systems, namely BOMBARDIER ORBIFLO, Automated Vehicle Inspection System (AVI System) and BOMBARDIER CITYFLO 650 on the LRVs. I highly doubt Bombardier would or even have the ability to maintain another supplier's vehicles and would want out on the contract. This just turns into a mess. Metrolinx is playing with fire.

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On 3/3/2017 at 3:42 AM, TechnicaProductions said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/metrolinx-considering-alternate-supplier-amid-court-battle-with-bombardier-1.4007568

Apparently Metrolinx is in talks with an "unamed manufacturer" for a possible alternative to Bombardier.

Just Metrolinx trying to get out of the order as now they see they do not need all those cars ordered! 

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On 3/4/2017 at 5:07 PM, TheAverageJoe said:

Just Metrolinx trying to get out of the order as now they see they do not need all those cars ordered! 

Instead of cancelling the order and trying to make a mess of this, why don't they just build Sheppard East and Finch West? There's also the Crosstown West and East extensions slated for the future, Hamilton's LRT line, and the Hurontario LRT. There really should be no shortage of LRV demand if they actually get these projects built before 2025...

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29 minutes ago, Streety McCarface said:

Instead of cancelling the order and trying to make a mess of this, why don't they just build Sheppard East and Finch West? There's also the Crosstown West and East extensions slated for the future, Hamilton's LRT line, and the Hurontario LRT. There really should be no shortage of LRV demand if they actually get these projects built before 2025...

Election year next year, Looks like the Liberals will have a hard time getting reelected. With a change of governments any or all of those projects could be cancelled   

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