John Oke Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 Is it just me or do I feel like Line 5 won’t open in September 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, John Oke said: Is it just me or do I feel like Line 5 won’t open in September 2021? Most people remotely following the project think this. It's a rapid transit line more complicated than the TYSSE and not all concrete pours are complete. It's very likely going to be delayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Streety McCarface said: Most people remotely following the project think this. It's a rapid transit line more complicated than the TYSSE and not all concrete pours are complete. It's very likely going to be delayed. I often pass bye the Eastern sections around Kennedy and find the progress slow from week to week. Even with the warm weather, which should help speed things up. Not sure why they do some sections first, and leave gaps in-between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 15 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said: Up to 6210 has been delivered, I asked last week on Twitter So they rushed to delivery the first 6 units (as per the contract) and now slowed it down probably to do the Valley Line order as they are supposed to open before Eglinton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 12:31 PM, Orion V said: So they rushed to delivery the first 6 units (as per the contract) and now slowed it down probably to do the Valley Line order as they are supposed to open before Eglinton. Yes. While about a half-dozen or so units have been delivered to Edmonton, there are another 10 or 12 sitting in Milhaven either ready to be shipped or able to be shipped in short order. Metrolinx, on the other hand, only needed the 6 units by last February for the preliminary testing and acceptance of the maintenance facility and some early testing. While there are additional schedule dates that need to be met for that contract, the next one probably isn't until this coming September - the supposed 1 year before opening. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63 Ossington Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Eglinton Crosstown LRT could be $330 million over budget and open seven months late, internal documents warn TL;DR: -This is according to Crosslinx (They anticipate May 2022) -Metrolinx is still adamant that it will open on schedule in Sept 2021 -One of the major contributing factors to a delayed opening is the repair of caissons (watertight retaining structures part of the Yonge Line) at Eglinton Stn. -Other factors have been groundwater problems at Avenue Rd and work on a CN bridge at Mt Dennis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayside Observer Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, 63 Ossington said: Eglinton Crosstown LRT could be $330 million over budget and open seven months late, internal documents warn TL;DR: -This is according to Crosslinx (They anticipate May 2022) -Metrolinx is still adamant that it will open on schedule in Sept 2021 -One of the major contributing factors to a delayed opening is the repair of caissons (watertight retaining structures part of the Yonge Line) at Eglinton Stn. -Other factors have been groundwater problems at Avenue Rd and work on a CN bridge at Mt Dennis. Uh-oh. Well then, all they need to do is indulge in some creative accounting to pump that number up even larger like adding 30 years of operating and maintenance costs plus toss in the inflation adjusted cost of building the original Eglinton subway station and the construction and subsequent filling in of the Eglinton West subway along with it's entire allocated budget for good measure to come up with a showstopping cost. Then book a hotel conference room at the Sheraton Centre across the street from City Hall but have Caroline Mulroney skulk out of the kitchen doors in the back of the building and take off towards Queen's Park with a police escort up University Ave. and leave John Tory to announce the cancellation of the Eglinton LRT. Doug Ford and Mike Harris can pose for a photo op with shovels and hard hats to dump the ceremonial scoops of dirt into the tunnel before the construction crews begin filling it in. The Metrolinx people can pull down the Eglinton LRT webpage and replace it with the filler "You'll be excited about what we're building" one that no longer lists the project even though we're all more excited about what they're not building and write each other bonus cheques. Sound about right? Life in Ontario. Wash, rinse, repeat. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/02/18/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-opening-delayed-2022/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTC Guy Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Orion V said: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/02/18/eglinton-crosstown-lrt-opening-delayed-2022/ Why am I not surprised? I’m sure Bombardier has something to do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, TTC Guy said: Why am I not surprised? I’m sure Bombardier has something to do with this. They don't, at least not this significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TTC Guy said: Why am I not surprised? I’m sure Bombardier has something to do with this. They gotten the better with delivery. Meanwhile half the stations are dirt pits at this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion V Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 What are the limitations they can't phase this line to start the western segment for service instead of having the entire 19km in service in one shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Orion V said: What are the limitations they can't phase this line to start the western segment for service instead of having the entire 19km in service in one shot? The biggest limitation would probably be the complete incompetence of Metrolinx on the legal front - and that it would probably take them about 3 years to negotiate the change order necessary to do that. So unless the consortium offers it, not an option. Though I suspect the penalties the consortium would receive from Metrolinx by not being able to open the entire line because of an unforeseen problem at Eglinton station would likely be higher than they'd get from operating part of the line with a lower penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, nfitz said: The biggest limitation would probably be the complete incompetence of Metrolinx on the legal front - and that it would probably take them about 3 years to negotiate the change order necessary to do that. So unless the consortium offers it, not an option. Though I suspect the penalties the consortium would receive from Metrolinx by not being able to open the entire line because of an unforeseen problem at Eglinton station would likely be higher than they'd get from operating part of the line with a lower penalty. I believe the 30 year clock starts ticking once part of the line would be in service meaning ML would get less out of the contract with a partial opening. They would have to definitely renegotiate parts of the contract with big changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Orion V said: What are the limitations they can't phase this line to start the western segment for service instead of having the entire 19km in service in one shot? If anything, it would be easier to open the east end of the line first, not the west. Not as much signalling, and fewer life safety and elevating devices to worry about. Of course, there is the minor issue of not having a maintenance facility to worry about.... But the fact of the matter is that there are quite a few stations that right now are pretty damn close to the critical path of the project that would preclude any particular section of the line being available for revenue service sooner than the rest. For all of the progress that they've done at Weston and Keelesdale, they are still excavating at Fairbank. Oakwood is a dirt hole in the ground. And nevermind the potential issues that could still arise at Cedarvale and Eglinton. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Some details here about the Flexity production and signalling. Of note, 30 cars have been manufactured to date, but only 2 have been accepted. The target for acceptance of the first 6 cars is July 1, 2020, while the target to deliver the first 42 to Mount Dennis is March 31, 2021. They then have another full year to deliver the remaining 34 of the 76 cars. Hard to imagine how they wouldn't get four more cars accepted in the next 3 months, or 12 more cars built in the next year - unless there's some force majeure event nullifying the contract. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/03/09/metrolinx-quietly-agreed-to-pay-bombardier-40m-more-for-lrt-vehicles.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, nfitz said: Some details here about the Flexity production and signalling. Of note, 30 cars have been manufactured to date, but only 2 have been accepted. The target for acceptance of the first 6 cars is July 1, 2020, while the target to deliver the first 42 to Mount Dennis is March 31, 2021. They then have another full year to deliver the remaining 34 of the 76 cars. Hard to imagine how they wouldn't get four more cars accepted in the next 3 months, or 12 more cars built in the next year! https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/03/09/metrolinx-quietly-agreed-to-pay-bombardier-40m-more-for-lrt-vehicles.html Might be really boring to do 600km around the yard. As for signaling system in cab, it must be really hard for Bombardier to work with that company named Bombardier! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus_Medic Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 7 hours ago, nfitz said: Some details here about the Flexity production and signalling. Of note, 30 cars have been manufactured to date, but only 2 have been accepted. The target for acceptance of the first 6 cars is July 1, 2020, while the target to deliver the first 42 to Mount Dennis is March 31, 2021. They then have another full year to deliver the remaining 34 of the 76 cars. Hard to imagine how they wouldn't get four more cars accepted in the next 3 months, or 12 more cars built in the next year! https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/03/09/metrolinx-quietly-agreed-to-pay-bombardier-40m-more-for-lrt-vehicles.html Really? I can, if a third of the workforce is laid up, or self quarantined. I’m already bracing for my vacation time to disappear at the very least, covering for others unable to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Bus_Medic said: Really? I can, if a third of the workforce is laid up, or self quarantined. Or if the sun explodes tomorrow. Though I think either event would count as a force majeure under the contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drum118 Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 23 hours ago, nfitz said: Some details here about the Flexity production and signalling. Of note, 30 cars have been manufactured to date, but only 2 have been accepted. The target for acceptance of the first 6 cars is July 1, 2020, while the target to deliver the first 42 to Mount Dennis is March 31, 2021. They then have another full year to deliver the remaining 34 of the 76 cars. Hard to imagine how they wouldn't get four more cars accepted in the next 3 months, or 12 more cars built in the next year - unless there's some force majeure event nullifying the contract. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/03/09/metrolinx-quietly-agreed-to-pay-bombardier-40m-more-for-lrt-vehicles.html Given the fact they are still working on the overhead along Eglinton and track work, very hard to get cars on the mainline for testing as well a signalling system. Mount Dennis station isn't comply with the tail end tunnel not in place and only 25% of that missing tunnel only has walls form it. You can't get a car into the station due to scaffolding being in the way. They are using the ][ track overhead system in the station like St Clair W station loop and no clue what taking place underground. BBD will find a way to screw up Metrolinx order, but they will pay Metrolinx a lot more money on what they gave TTC based on Metrolinx cost for late delivery. Shot the area today including Keeledale and Caledonia. Photos will not be on line for a few days when I have time to work on them. Other can verify this, but KW seen BBD wash their hand on their signalling system according to info posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 18 hours ago, drum118 said: Given the fact they are still working on the overhead along Eglinton and track work, very hard to get cars on the mainline for testing as well a signalling system. If they got two cars accepted without using the mainline, presumably they can accept four more without using the mainline. 18 hours ago, drum118 said: BBD will find a way to screw up Metrolinx order ... BBD seems have had far more success with the Flexitys than Alstom has had with the cars that Metrolinx replaced them with for Line 6 Finch West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crs1026 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Two of the Crosstown Flexities are being transported by CP to Thunder Bay at the moment. Would anyone know why? Will this become standard for the rest of the order? - Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Isn't that where they are installing the ATC hardware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oke Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 New rumoured date for crosstown opening is May, 6th 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crs1026 Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 Car 6230 left Kingston on Friday, headed to Thunder Bay. - Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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