38 Highland Creek Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 11/20/2016 at 7:55 PM, Xtrazsteve said: It will be around the same time. Mid 2020s. Eg West isn't going to open till at least 2025. Scarborough subway and SmartTrack will open around the same time too. Whatcha talking about? Eg West is part of the Crosstown line and its opening date is 2021, unless you're talking about the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 49 minutes ago, 38 Highland Creek said: Whatcha talking about? Eg West is part of the Crosstown line and its opening date is 2021, unless you're talking about the extension. The Eglinton West extension from Mt Dennis to the Airport of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 We got something... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 So the car is headed to Kingston for testing? So at Kingston they have a ttc Guage for streetcars, subways and standard Guage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Shaun said: So the car is headed to Kingston for testing Most likely. They might bring it to Waterloo to test, but that's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Streety McCarface said: Most likely. They might bring it to Waterloo to test, but that's unlikely. The Ion cars are a part of Metrolinx's order which would guarantee that they will test it in Waterloo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulated Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Bombardier and Metrolinx would not ship a car to an under-construction city to do on-street testing, then load it back onto a flatcar and ship it to another city. All the testing that needs to be done can happen in a closed facility such as Kingston. AFAIK the Eglinton-Crosstown line as per Metrolinx specs will be built to standard gauge, not TTC gauge; so the presence of TTC gauge track at a testing facility is not applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Is there really necessary for an extensive street test with the prototype? The metrolinx cars are built for today's standards used all over the world. The new lines are built to the car's spec (which is known) oppose to the other way around. This isn't TTC's legacy cars designed for one of the most complex network in the world. I would think the test is for the prototype's performance with the current design. Sure they need to throw it on the street and make sure everything works out but if something is not right, it would most likely be the contractor's fault for not building tracks to spec than Bombardier's fault of not building the cars correctly. The ION cars are already being assembled. The can just use that instead of the Metrolinx prototype. It will take them a few more months till the ION is ready. By then, the first cars would be too. For Eglinton, there would be more testing to make sure the ATO system is working properly. Still, the ATO system is already employed in many cities in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said: Is there really necessary for an extensive street test with the prototype? The metrolinx cars are built for today's standards used all over the world. The new lines are built to the car's spec (which is known) oppose to the other way around. This isn't TTC's legacy cars designed for one of the most complex network in the world. I would think the test is for the prototype's performance with the current design. Sure they need to throw it on the street and make sure everything works out but if something is not right, it would most likely be the contractor's fault for not building tracks to spec than Bombardier's fault of not building the cars correctly. The ION cars are already being assembled. The can just use that instead of the Metrolinx prototype. It will take them a few more months till the ION is ready. By then, the first cars would be too. For Eglinton, there would be more testing to make sure the ATO system is working properly. Still, the ATO system is already employed in many cities in the world. Remember, this is Ontario we are talking about. Better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfirenet Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 40 minutes ago, Xtrazsteve said: Is there really necessary for an extensive street test with the prototype? The better question is whether there are any legal requirements for extensive street tests with the prototype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Did Bombardier ever explain why this prototype took an extra year to get built? Is the picture above the second unit? Or is it of the first prototype? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagonal 10 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Shaun said: Did Bombardier ever explain why this prototype took an extra year to get built? Is the picture above the second unit? Or is it of the first prototype? It appears to be another unit based on the livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, 110B West Pickering said: Are these any wider than the Outlooks on the streetcars, they are pretty crammed even on spadina, I can't imagine riding on Eglinton The LRVs can be coupled together to form 3 car trains. However, Eglinton, like Sheppard and Downtown is still growing. We'll see whether the investment pays off once it's complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc rider Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, 110B West Pickering said: Are these any wider than the Outlooks on the streetcars, they are pretty crammed even on spadina, I can't imagine riding on Eglinton Metrolinx's LRV's are 2.65 m wide compared to 2.54 m for TTC's LRV's. The difference is trivial. The big capacity difference comes from the fact that the Metrolinx model is capable of MU operation, unlike TTC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 13 hours ago, Shaun said: Is the picture above the second unit? Or is it of the first prototype? It's appears to be the first production unit for the ION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagonal 10 Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 8 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said: the one with the blue is for iON - the grey one is the prototype I do believe Also a bit of a stupid question, will the Freedom's for the crosstown and finch be coloured in Red for TTC, seeing as TTC is adopting these as part of their rapid transit network, or will they be coloured in green for Metrolinx? It currently seems that for the Crosstown, they will have a mostly green livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 20 minutes ago, Hexagonal 10 said: It currently seems that for the Crosstown, they will have a mostly green livery. And yet the prototype is grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallspy Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 12 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said: are the Flexities for the Finch and the Crosstown going to be used with Automatic Train Control? or is it still manual operation? The Finch line will not use ATO, nor will the on-street sections of Eglinton. Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I don't even think Finch LRVs would even come with ATO equipment especially if Metrolinx decides to get them from another supplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2044 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 On November 29, 2016 at 10:39 AM, nfitz said: And yet the prototype is grey. Actually, if you look at the mockup all that's missing on the pilot is the green stripe. In any case, I believe the Crosstown or Finch LRT account tweeted a few months ago that branding is being finalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT_BMT_IND Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 19 hours ago, 110B West Pickering said: are the Flexities for the Finch and the Crosstown going to be used with Automatic Train Control? or is it still manual operation? Most of the Metrolinx docs I've seen say the Crosstown will use Bombardier CBTC and cab signals in the tunnel, they don't talk about full ATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lip Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 There will be ATO operation on the Eglinton line in the tunnel segment of the line. The outer ends will not be using ATO. Finch on the other hand will not be using ATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrazsteve Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 hours ago, IRT_BMT_IND said: Most of the Metrolinx docs I've seen say the Crosstown will use Bombardier CBTC and cab signals in the tunnel, they don't talk about full ATO. Bombardier CITYFLO 650 system is ATO. The consortium Crosslinx picked Bombardier for this system. http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/products-services/rail-control-solutions/mass-transit-solutions/cityflo-650.html http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.bt-20151008-bombardiers-rail-control-division-further-expands-no.bombardiercom.html The system is capable of fully automated without anyone in the cab, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Markiplier Posted December 6, 2016 Report Share Posted December 6, 2016 I especially hate the eastern portion of Line 5 Eglinton. The stations look like freaking bus shelters, and not legit stations. Plus they are too close to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streety McCarface Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Canadian Markiplier said: I especially hate the eastern portion of Line 5 Eglinton. The stations look like freaking bus shelters, and not legit stations. Plus they are too close to each other. Yeah, the stops are positioned way too close to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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